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Old Posted Aug 8, 2016, 2:46 PM
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I'm a huge fan of YVR - it's probably my favourite airport overall anywhere in the world.
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I often half-jokingly tell people that it is my favourite place in the world...this is met with confused facial expressions.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2016, 3:35 PM
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Cargo Stats for 2015

Tonnes of cargo and % change from 2014

1 YYZ 367,983 up 3.1%
2 YVR 238,096 up 9.6%
3 YHM 110,797 up 24.5%
4 YYC 83,154 down 2.8%
5 YUL 79,800 up 4.0%
6 YMX 70,185 up 9.4%
7 YWG 65,878 up 7.6%
8 YQM 28,986 up 36.3%
9 YEG 27,918 up 1.1%
10 YHZ 26,703 down 6.9%

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/51-203-x/2015000/t005-eng.htm

YYC holding on to the #4 spot.
I thought cargo increased,
http://www.yyc.com/News/tabid/91/article...be-Top-Air-Cargo-Airport-in-Alberta.aspx
Maybe on a pass through basis
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2016, 6:21 PM
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To me, the numbers for the top 5 Canadian airports clearly show that if given the chance, EK will go double daily at YYZ before expanding anywhere else in Canada. YUL and YVR should clearly get the non stop ahead of YYC. YUL for the superior O&D compared to YVR and YYC + all the Levant connections, and YVR for the Indian connections.

Is the UAE bilateral being renegotiated with the new liberal govt ?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2016, 7:59 PM
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I'd honestly disagree. YVR's international hall is probably one of the nicest airport terminals out there and the vast majority of it is carpeting. Carpet has its place as it cuts down on a large amount of the noise generated by large groups of people walking, talking and dragging roller-bags behind them. Personally I feel that eliminating noise goes a long way towards eliminating stress and that when it comes to travel eliminating stress points for people should be a priority in the design of buildings. Carpet is also much more inviting for people to sit on the floor (which may seem strange but is rather common at every airport I've ever been in) as well as for kids to crawl around on. I would argue that large seating areas in airports are almost always better off being carpet where as the high travel areas should be tile. The rubber flooring used at YYC drives me nuts as I think it looks cheap and is more suitable for a gym instead of an airport.
I disagree. I've been to YVR many times and I find the carpet looks dirty and outdated. Carpet the is the worst for trapping dirt so not a good idea to have your kids rolling around in it. Plus it makes it harder for people in wheel chairs to get around. No I'll take what Calgary has over Vancouver any day.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2016, 9:18 PM
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^good photos. Looks like a lot of open spaces, could be a lot of walking around.

Who's signed up for the trials?
This past 2 months I have completed 3 transborder and 1 domestic trip, the wait for the new international terminal is turning into agony, mostly due to insufficient facilities to meet demand.

On the outbound, the transborder checkin facilities are crammed at the peak and some non peak times.

Once through bag drop, the entrance to US CBP pre-clearance is woefully small an inadequate. There should be two lines for regular travellers plus empty middle space for Nexus/Global Entry travelers to skip the blue customs declaration card inspection line. There is frequently insufficient space for the Nexus Card holders to get through.

Once in US pre-clearance hall, most of the time only 2/4 Global Entry machines are working. There are more machines that are newer and more reliable installed in the new terminal. This backs up the Global Entry line.

The biggest choke point is the Concourse B pre-board security checkpoint, which frequently backs up to the checked bag drop stations. While there is likely enough checkpoint lanes, the cramped space is insufficient for effective movement of passengers and screening staff.

The boarding lounges have insufficient food and retail amenities and the staff have to contend with cramped quarters. On the recent family vacation, I could not buy milk for my kid's cereal on the morning flight (also apparently Westjet does not cater milk onboard due to lack of refrigeration, but the beer is cold ). Good luck getting anything remotely healthy at food outlets.

The holdrooms have insufficient seating for a full mainline narrowbody aircraft that has slimline seats. The holdrooms were sufficient maybe 20 years ago when the first class cabin was twice the size and the old style seating caused 24-30 fewer pax compared to today's aircraft.

By the time I am onboard I am in a very grumpy mood. Thankfully the one sunshine spot for YYC is about to come, we have a new runway so delays are a lot fewer on both the departure and arrival times. with our current extended wet season I arrived safely and pleasantly on Saturday night in between the thunderstorms, secure in the knowledge that the new runway has the most advanced instrumentation systems, grooved concrete to take away the rain, and 14,000 feet to provide for extended roll out.

The return features cramped CBSA hall for the primary inspection line followed by a cramped bag hall and overcapacity bag carousels. The Saturday night weather forced 3-6 flights to deplane within minutes of each other and backed up the bag hall, creating additional stressers for the pax who had been circling for a while (namely a WS flight from PVR).

Overall the larger spaces, greater amenities, and greater pax throughput are a big compensating factor for the longer walking distances.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2016, 9:35 PM
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Is the UAE bilateral being renegotiated with the new liberal govt ?
Not that I am aware of. Doubtful it will ever be renegotiated.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2016, 2:42 PM
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Cargo Stats for 2015

Tonnes of cargo and % change from 2014

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http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/51-203-x/2015000/t005-eng.htm

YYC holding on to the #4 spot.
Not by much, and if the current trend continues, YUL should overtake YYC next year in the cargo department as well. Which is all the more impressive, as YUL has next to no dedicated freighter flights (all handled at YMX.)

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Hi! This is my first post, new to the forum, so please let me know if I'm doing something wrong!

Just wanted to say, love the IFP photos, really looks great! I do think we need it, flew to Beijing and back on the Hainan last month (took the inaugral flight out!), and the current facility really isn't enough, coming back my Beijing flight landed at the same time as the Amsterdam flight -- the line to exit was starting to wrap around the luggage carousel! Does anyone know if there's a firm opening date for the IFP yet?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2016, 10:06 PM
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Welcome to the forum!! Last piece of information I had was that flight operations start out of the new terminal on Nov 1st. That info is several months old though so there may have been a revision since.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2016, 10:40 PM
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Not by much, and if the current trend continues, YUL should overtake YYC next year in the cargo department as well. Which is all the more impressive, as YUL has next to no dedicated freighter flights (all handled at YMX.)
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2016, 11:23 PM
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Hi! This is my first post, new to the forum, so please let me know if I'm doing something wrong!

Just wanted to say, love the IFP photos, really looks great! I do think we need it, flew to Beijing and back on the Hainan last month (took the inaugral flight out!), and the current facility really isn't enough, coming back my Beijing flight landed at the same time as the Amsterdam flight -- the line to exit was starting to wrap around the luggage carousel! Does anyone know if there's a firm opening date for the IFP yet?
How was the Hainan service to Beijing? I've thought about giving it a try, but given my experience with Chinese airlines I'm really leaning towards staying with AC.
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Welcome to the forum!! Last piece of information I had was that flight operations start out of the new terminal on Nov 1st. That info is several months old though so there may have been a revision since.
Thanks, and wonderful! I have family coming in from overseas right after that. I'll have to ask them what it was like

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How was the Hainan service to Beijing? I've thought about giving it a try, but given my experience with Chinese airlines I'm really leaning towards staying with AC.
Let's just say I'm not flying Hainan again! They were extremely disorganized (saw a friend working at checkin, said they only had one week of training). Actually, they lost our bag because they sent it in without putting the tag on it! Since it was the inaugural, we had cupcakes at the gate (the maybe one good thing of this flight), then on the plane the food was absolutely horrible (the menu said it was chicken, it looked like naan bread, tasted like a block of cheese). When we arrived we called Hainan to inquire about our lost bag, and they were rather rude and rushed. Fortunately we did get our bag back (after three days). In Beijing Hainan operates out of terminal 2 (slightly older, though not that big of an issue). Again, their checkin was disorganized (took ten minutes per checkin, no idea why!). Many flights didn't have a gate so we had to take a shuttle bus to board (so did the Boston, Toronto, and Seattle flights). It took us to a remote corner of the airport where our plane was. Service and food were lacking again.

Not a nice flight either way, so I wouldn't recommend Hainan. I'm dreaming of the day Cathay starts flying to Calgary!

EDIT: I just noticed how many sets of my parenthesis I used...
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 10, 2016, 4:27 AM
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And to think Hainan is supposedly a 5 star airline. Skytrax is a joke.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 10, 2016, 4:22 PM
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Thanks, and wonderful! I have family coming in from overseas right after that. I'll have to ask them what it was like



Let's just say I'm not flying Hainan again! They were extremely disorganized (saw a friend working at checkin, said they only had one week of training). Actually, they lost our bag because they sent it in without putting the tag on it! Since it was the inaugural, we had cupcakes at the gate (the maybe one good thing of this flight), then on the plane the food was absolutely horrible (the menu said it was chicken, it looked like naan bread, tasted like a block of cheese). When we arrived we called Hainan to inquire about our lost bag, and they were rather rude and rushed. Fortunately we did get our bag back (after three days). In Beijing Hainan operates out of terminal 2 (slightly older, though not that big of an issue). Again, their checkin was disorganized (took ten minutes per checkin, no idea why!). Many flights didn't have a gate so we had to take a shuttle bus to board (so did the Boston, Toronto, and Seattle flights). It took us to a remote corner of the airport where our plane was. Service and food were lacking again.

Not a nice flight either way, so I wouldn't recommend Hainan. I'm dreaming of the day Cathay starts flying to Calgary!

EDIT: I just noticed how many sets of my parenthesis I used...
Thanks for the write up (at least the the cupcakes were good?). Maybe the employees are new hires and haven't got used to the process yet, it is the first flight after all. Hopefully this improves as times goes on.

We need more people to share their flight experiences out of Calgary on here.
     
     
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Thanks for the write up (at least the the cupcakes were good?). Maybe the employees are new hires and haven't got used to the process yet, it is the first flight after all. Hopefully this improves as times goes on.

We need more people to share their flight experiences out of Calgary on here.
Cupcakes were great! I wouldve thought it's a first flight thing, but our departure from Beijing back to Calgary a month later was the same thing.
     
     
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Remote boarding by bus is a common thing outside of North America. That doesn't negate or justify the rest of the shortcomings of your trip, obviously.

IFP looks done and ready to rock from the outside, no construction equipment on the south side of it anyway. I still think it looks YEGish.
     
     
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On the topic of airline reviews. I recently flew Edelweiss Air to Zurich. The service was amazing. The seatback TVs had tons of content and interactive games where you could play games like Battleship against other passengers.

The check-in process was a bit slow, the line up was very long 2.5 hrs before the flight, I think part of the problem is they don't offer online check-in in advance (or it just didn't work). So everyone had to go through the process at the airport.

The airplane (Airbus A330-300) was nice and new. However the leg room is very limited. The seating configuration in economy is 2x4x2. We paid the extra to book seats in advance to ensure that we were on the sides with 2 seats.

The food was also awesome. But liquor was for purchase only. They didn't offer any complementary wine with dinner.

Swiss Air offers tons of connections throughout Europe. We connected to Santorini, Greece and came home from Valencia, Spain. Our bags were checked right through to our final destination. The Zurich Airport was really nice and easy to navigate.

Currently they fly into Calgary on Thursdays and Sundays from June until September. Hopefully this service is expanded in the future.
     
     
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Currently they fly into Calgary on Thursdays and Sundays from June until September. Hopefully this service is expanded in the future.
Flights already loaded for next summer. Same days Thursdays and Sundays.

Flights will be operated by ex-Swiss A340-300s.
     
     
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Remote boarding by bus is a common thing outside of North America. That doesn't negate or justify the rest of the shortcomings of your trip, obviously.

IFP looks done and ready to rock from the outside, no construction equipment on the south side of it anyway. I still think it looks YEGish.
There are some similarities for sure. Then again, it looks similar to many other terminals around these days.
     
     
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Just thinking about A340s for a second: has anyone heard of companies re-engine-ing A340s as A330s. They have the same wings and fuselages. Just seems a shame to phase out those frames earlier than needed if something could be done.
     
     
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