LOS ANGELES | Downtown Project Rundown 6.0

[caldor120la]

Is anyone having trouble viewing the DTLA project interactive map? Google asked for information still not allowed in. This all started a couple of days ago, before that no problems viewing the map which is critical for this site Thanks for any help and time

[caligrad]

Originally Posted by ChelseaFC

Nope. Colorado is still open, but one way traffic with a protected bike lane now. Must have just been inaccessible when they did their last map update.

That's unfortunate. Another missed opportunity. Hopefully one day soon, that stretch between 4th and ocean is turned into an extension of the promenade. With the pedestrian traffic being extremely heavy in that area now, if it stays heavy, I imagine someone stepping in to make the change. Hoping the nimbys keep quiet.

[NSMP]

Originally Posted by caligrad

Hoping the nimbys keep quiet.

Not exactly what they're known for, is it?

[caligrad]

^^^
I'm trying to be optimistic

[Eightball]

Re: Expo Line I posted this in transportation thread but I'ma post it here too

New normal on the expo line is packed af at all times. Insane this morning train completely full when it pulled into the Culver City station.

When we catching it home from the DT SM station yesterday so many people qued up to board they stopped letting people into the station. Train was completely full before it left the first stop.

I forget who predicted not too many people would ride it (someone on here) but maaaan they were wrong

[bighomey3000]

Originally Posted by Eightball

Re: Expo Line I posted this in transportation thread but I'ma post it here too

New normal on the expo line is packed af at all times. Insane this morning train completely full when it pulled into the Culver City station.

When we catching it home from the DT SM station yesterday so many people qued up to board they stopped letting people into the station. Train was completely full before it left the first stop.

I forget who predicted not too many people would ride it (someone on here) but maaaan they were wrong

It's early but it will definitely exceed ridership projections and anyone who couldn't see that hasn't been paying attention. Once they get more railcars and more frequent headways, and shave a few minutes off the travel time, it will be even better.

[caligrad]

^^^ Amen to that. I know who said "Expo will be lack luster performance" was but I rather not name names since that person is proving to be all kinds of wrong with their 2016 predictions and "insider knowledge" so far lol.

The beauty of the Expo line beating expectations so far even after the free ridership (I'm only guessing it is/will beat expectations) is the fact that the City, government, state AND feds see that Angelenos ( and the nearly 50 million tourists that flock here every year) REALLY WANT FREAKING TRANSIT OPTIONS !.

I own a car and live in the burbs so I'm guilty of helping create this problem. HOWEVER. I have no problem parking my car at a garage and taking transit to the denser areas ( Downtown, Hollywood, Santa Monica and everywhere in between). Hopefully the next prez... ( or hopefully being awarded the Olympics) will streamline billions into our transportation needs. There are so many viable transit lines that can happen in LA, its a shame that the gov isn't more ambitious in terms of LA transit.

[ChargerCarl]

Well of course Angelenos want transit options. Everyone wants good transit. But are they willing to support the density required to support a robust, successful mass transit system and walkable neighborhoods? I guess we'll find out.

[caligrad]

^^^ Right but some Angelenos want transit for all the wrong reasons. Like my neighbor who wants it so that he can cruise in his Mustang a little faster. AKA he wants everyone else to hop on the train so that he can enjoy his car still. He's sadly not the only one. I argued with a friend about it for almost an hour. And if the overall consensus was that everyone wanted transit, we wouldn't have ever had exploding sunbelt cities that are still relying on highways and cars.

Supporting density has never really been a problem in LA, since we were never really given that option to say that we didn't want it. Seeing how the genuine consensus this decade so far has seen the overall applause of denser development ( no matter how ugly it may be) and people flocking back to the inner city, I don't think that's going to be a problem. What came first ? The rail or the density ?........... outside of China, the density always came first. Rail second. Which is happening in LA now (even though we are doing it a little backwards).

Oh by the way. Good to see you away from that other god awful derailed of a mess thread . I tend to sometimes have people trying to get my attention when I fail to respond to them on other threads ( I honestly didn't feel like it anymore). Hope that isn't the case here.

[caldor120la]

Not to interrupt the flow my DTLA Development Map is back and running like old could have been a google ploy, if anyone made any adjustments Thanks

[caligrad]

^^^ Awesome

[bmfarley]

The Expo Line is unfortunately capped at 12-minute head ways and 3-car trains right now during weekday commute times. This is because there are not enough cars in their fleet.

Metro should have enough cars in 4-8 months to run every 6 minutes. Or, sometime between late September and January.

[King Kill 'em]

^before the extension opened, it was mostly 2 car trains though. And I don't think the station platforms are long enough for 4 car trains.

[cesar90]

Originally Posted by caligrad

^^^ Right but some Angelenos want transit for all the wrong reasons. Like my neighbor who wants it so that he can cruise in his Mustang a little faster.

and/or this • Video Link

[black_crow]

I am born and raised in Berlin.

L.A.'s public transportation is far away from being a real help.
We will need more railway and trains in the future. The Expo Line is already really busy, Metro will monitor ridership and make changes as needed.
Metro is already in the process of acquiring more light rail vehicles and should get them until the end of 2016.

Public transportation works fine in other cities, I know we are different.

L.A. has a good highway system, we will never be like Berlin or New York and that's not necessary, we just need to find a balance.
We should provide some options for everybody.


It will be a long process, but it's a start.

Railway - Berlin vs. L.A.:

[caligrad]

^^^ Amen to that. We have a lot of abandoned right of way rail lines that can easily be converted into rail (looking at you Slauson corridor, an easy east to west route.

But we're getting there, so I'm excitedly optimistic. Especially with the new expo extension being used heavily now.

Originally Posted by cesar90

and/or this

Exactly my point, My neighbor and my friend have this weird fantasy that if we build more rail, everybody else in the county will magically ditch their car just so they can still drive their Mustang and BMW solo with the hopes there will be no traffic. Sadly they aren't the only ones with this backwards way of thinking.

But moving on to a different subject before the mods throw stones at us.

Anyone take any recent pics of Oceanwide lately ? If I wasn't completely tired, I could have sworn the taller towers core is already above ground ? I was a little tired when I was down there earlier so wasn't paying complete attention. if that's the case, they aren't messing around anymore.

[DJM19]

I also lived in Berlin for awhile. Never once stepped foot inside of an automobile and never felt the least bit inconvenienced by public transit. The system is comprehensive. And with the opening of the Expo Line phase 2, someone somewhere mentioned that this brings the mileage to 105 miles of rail. Well Berlin has over twice that just on its "S-Bahn", which are somewhat akin to the light rail we have in LA. Their U-Bahn is about the same mileage as our entire rail. And then they have a huge streetcar system.

It really is something to aspire to, because Berlin is also a fairly large metro. I would settle for half the rail system they have.

On a side note, I often think about how LA could form its own "ring-bahn" like Berlin has, connecting all the other lines as it goes in a continues circle in both directions.

[black_crow]

Looks like we are all on the same page.

[sportbiker]

Originally Posted by black_crow

I am born and raised in Berlin.
L.A.'s public transportation is far away from being a real help.

That comparison borders on trolling. Here's just one that's more relevant.

S-Bahn opened: 1870
U-Bahn opened: 1902
Metro Rail opened: 1990

Apples, meet oranges.

[black_crow]

Originally Posted by sportbiker

That comparison borders on trolling. Here's just one that's more relevant.

S-Bahn opened: 1870
U-Bahn opened: 1902
Metro Rail opened: 1990

Apples, meet oranges.

Is it so hard to read the whole post? Is it? I mean.. it's late, so that could be the case, but give it a try.

I wrote L.A. will never be like Berlin, that's not necessary, we should find a balance.

PS:

But your post would have made no sense anyway.

1. Since when can't you compare cities and their public transportation? That's what people do. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/18/los-angeles-metro-transit-access_n_930835.html

2. L.A. had light railway between 1901 and 1963, both cities were nearly on the same level.

Still glad you googled some dates. The way you write reminds me of a user with the same interpretation skills.