LOS ANGELES | Downtown Project Rundown 6.0 - Page 58

StethJeff · #**1141** Posted **May 20, 2016, 11:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mojeda101

Can it be argued we are currently experiencing the largest boom LA has ever seen?

Separately, we have 15 towers above 22 floors going up in the city. That's a big difference from just 1 a few years ago.

Just off the top of my head I'm venturing to guess that the 1780s, 1840s, 1880s, 1890s, 1900s, 1910s, 1920s, 1940s, and 1950s all easily have the current boom beat.

black_crow · #**1142** Posted **May 20, 2016, 11:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Illithid Dude

No. LA had the largest population growth of any city in the history of the United States when it grew by 300% between 1910 and 1920. Imagine the construction then, let alone from the 20s to the 30s, and the post war baby boom. Our current boom is nothing compared to that. Honestly, the 1980s probably had more construction that we currently do now. This is not to say our current boom is insignificant, as it certainly isn't, but we are no where near having the biggest construction boom in the history of the city.

That is partly true, but I doubt, that we had ever more tower-construction at the same time. (not even in the 70s and he was talking about highrises) It's easy to confirm, just check the completion dates.
More growth in popoluation (whole L.A.) for sure, more tower, no. Downtown will also grow faster (in population) than ever before. Over 20.000 in a few years..

It's also not hard to grow fast (in percentages) with a population of 500000, that's why it wasn't the largest population growth of L.A.. (between 1910 and 1920)
It was also not 300 %, it was less than 81 %.

1920 576,673
1910 319,198

(319,198 = 100 % --- 1 % = 3,19 --- 576,697 - 319,198 around 258,000 --- 258,000 : 3,19 = less than 81 %)

It was over 200 % between 1900 and 1910, but that wasn't the highest population growth. That's just 200.000 more people, we had more growth between the 80s and 90s. That's why you can't measure the growth via percentages, you have to do it via population growth or via construction incease, whatever you are looking for.

It's like:

My company makes 1 Million, but I grow 100 % in a year..
Your company makes 200 Million. You grow 5 % in a year..

Who won more new millions? Did I because I grow 100 %? Of course not..

My point:

You don't have more construction just because you grow 300 %. (300 % can be 200 people, 100 % can be 2000 people, the percentages are unimportant in that case)

Resident · #**1143** Posted **May 21, 2016, 12:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by Mojeda101

Can it be argued we are currently experiencing the largest boom LA has ever seen?

Separately, we have 15 towers above 22 floors going up in the city. That's a big difference from just 1 a few years ago.

That last ones of this cycle

Illithid Dude · #**1144** Posted **May 21, 2016, 12:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by black_crow

My point:

You don't have more construction just because you grow 300 %. (300 % can be 200 people, 100 % can be 2000 people, the percentages are unimportant in that case)

Sorry, meant 1900-1910. Population growth is generally measured in percentages, not numbers. If a city of ten million grows by one hundred thousand in ten years, that would be considered a slower growing city than a smaller city growing by the same amount of people in ten years.

Regardless, this is a silly argument. This simply isn't the largest boom in Los Angeles history.

Easy · #**1145** Posted **May 21, 2016, 1:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by Illithid Dude

Sorry, meant 1900-1910. Population growth is generally measured in percentages, not numbers. If a city of ten million grows by one hundred thousand in ten years, that would be considered a slower growing city than a smaller city growing by the same amount of people in ten years.

Regardless, this is a silly argument. This simply isn't the largest boom in Los Angeles history.

Funny you calling the "argument" silly as I was thinking it was your response. As this is a skyscraper forum it was obvious to me he meant high rise boom, not population boom or even building boom.

black_crow · #**1146** Posted **May 21, 2016, 1:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by Illithid Dude

Sorry, meant 1900-1910. Population growth is generally measured in percentages, not numbers. If a city of ten million grows by one hundred thousand in ten years, that would be considered a slower growing city than a smaller city growing by the same amount of people in ten years.

Regardless, this is a silly argument. This simply isn't the largest boom in Los Angeles history.

Population growth isn't "generally" measured in percentages. You can use numbers or percentages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth
http://www.biggestuscities.com/city/los-angeles-california

Sorry, but I am pretty sure you know that I am right. You even wrote "'Imagine the construction then''.. We got 200,000 people more between 1900 and 1910, so what construction are we talking about? We had more than double as much growth (population) in other years and more construction, so sorry, that makes no sense.

I gave you the numbers and there is no way you can prove me wrong.

Have a nice evening.

PS:

This is the greatest high rise boom, that's a fact. I like to work with facts, that makes it so much easier.

Mojeda101 · #**1147** Posted **May 21, 2016, 2:25 AM**

I should've rephrased myself. Largest construction boom in DTLA? Not the city as a whole

I would imagine there wasn't this many highrises going up at once even in the 70's/80's booms.

Wilshire Grand

Metropolis 1
Metropolis 2
Metropolis 3
Metropolis 4

Oceanwide 1
Oceanwide 2
Oceanwide 3

Circa 1
Circa 2

Carmel Partners 33 story

Onni 50 story

Ten50

Frankentower 1
Frankentower 2

15 in all. Although the metropolis hotel portion is only 19 stories so I guess technically it's only 14 buildings above 22 floors U/C in LA.

black_crow · #**1148** Posted **May 21, 2016, 2:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by Mojeda101

I should've rephrased myself. Largest construction boom in DTLA? Not the city as a whole

I would imagine there wasn't this many highrises going up at once even in the 70's/80's booms.

Wilshire Grand

Metropolis 1
Metropolis 2
Metropolis 3
Metropolis 4

Oceanwide 1
Oceanwide 2
Oceanwide 3

Circa 1
Circa 2

Onni 33 story
Onni 50 story

Ten50

Frankentower 1
Frankentower 2

15 in all. Although the metropolis hotel portion is only 19 stories so I guess technically it's only 14 buildings above 22 floors U/C in LA.

I was counting the 400 feet plus high rises and that makes it really clear. The last 2-3 years outnumber the best full decade in Downtown.

But in your case... where is the Carmel Partners Tower?

Mojeda101 · #**1149** Posted **May 21, 2016, 3:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by black_crow

I was counting the 400 feet plus high rises and that makes it really clear. The last 2-3 years outnumber the best full decade in Downtown.

But in your case... where is the Carmel Partners Tower?

My mistake, I labeled it Onni 33 story, lol. I'll change it.

citywatch · #**1150** Posted **May 21, 2016, 7:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by blackcat23

Retail Leasing Begins for Oceanwide Plaza

Official website features a new flythrough video.

^ that huge LED light board should do wonders to giving a sense of life to what was once among the gloomiest sections of dt. And not a second too soon since that site is right across from the convention ctr, which brings in visitors from far beyond LA.

the big concern for now should be whether dt will have enough serious minded shoppers by the time oceanwide opens to prevent it from becoming one of those overly quiet retail malls with plenty of vacant storefronts. In this age of amazon & online shopping, the traditional brick & mortar store is facing a tough future.

I hope the opening of the new expo line to Santa monica lures in growing numbers of ppl from the west side, since that's still where most of the serious minded shoppers are located in LA, the ones who have plenty of credit cards & cash, & also fall into this magenta category....

cesar's vid of the corner of 4th & broadway is baffling....why are the owners, if they're supposedly planning to tear it down, going to the trouble of taking down the barricades & painting the exterior in black?

but all the pics & ongoing groundbreakings like for the two apt towers on Spring near 8th st....which will be increasingly important for projs like the renovated may co bldg & its food court in bringing in more potential customers.....makes this the most exciting time in dt's history. There may...or may not...have been as much construction over 20 or 60 yrs, or 90 yrs, ago. But dt in the past still was quite small & had only a few layers of interest....& almost NO nice housing for residents.

as for the top of the us bank tower....

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King Kill 'em · #**1151** Posted **May 21, 2016, 10:36 PM**

Untitled by Oscar Gake, on Flickr

black_crow · #**1152** Posted **May 22, 2016, 4:10 AM**

Thank you for the update King Kill 'em.

My wife and I used the Expo Line to Santa Monica/Downtown today. We found empty seats for both ways (we went before 9 am). It was a great experience and faster than car + parking.

We had basically no stop lights, only one right before the Santa Monica Station. It was such a nice vibe, people were taking pictures, worker and police were extremely helpful.

Thumbs up.

cesar90 · #**1153** Posted **May 22, 2016, 4:50 PM**

Great update! King Kill 'em

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caligrad · #**1154** Posted **May 22, 2016, 8:03 PM**

^^^ That last pic almost looks like a rendering for some new development or street enhancement. Haven't seen that area of Santa Monica that packed with pedestrians in a long time. I imagine that the land values around the station might go up, like the old Sears store. Would be a good place to put a good midrise/mixed use.

Google maps say that Colorado ave. is blocked where the new station is. is that true ? if that's the case, I would love to see the stretch of Colorado between 4th and ocean turned into an extension of the promenade, tear down that parking garage on second and Colorado and turn it into an outdoor extension/link from the old promenade to the new.

Maybe cap the 10/pch from ocean to main....maybe even to 4th..... A man can dream cant he.

LosAngelesBeauty · #**1155** Posted **May 22, 2016, 10:00 PM**

Angelenos Board New Train Service Downtown LA to Santa Monica

http://brighamyen.com/2016/05/21/angelenos-board-new-train-service-downtown-la-santa-monica/

BrianMojo · #**1156** Posted **May 22, 2016, 11:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by DJM19

Whats the verdict so far on the broadway palace building? Is it looking as cheap as one can expect from Palmer?

It looks... alright. I drove by yesterday and stopped to take a look. You can definitely tell it's brick veneer and the finishes aren't great, but doesn't feel entirely out of place. The fake gargoyles along the top are kind of hilariously cartoonish, though.

Mojeda101 · #**1157** Posted **May 23, 2016, 2:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by BrianMojo

It looks... alright. I drove by yesterday and stopped to take a look. You can definitely tell it's brick veneer and the finishes aren't great, but doesn't feel entirely out of place. The fake gargoyles along the top are kind of hilariously cartoonish, though.

They're actually bulldogs. No lie.

With the lights at night they'll definitely be quite noticeable, lol.

King Kill 'em · #**1158** Posted **May 23, 2016, 2:34 AM**

^I actually love that. so cool

SC_00_05 · #**1159** Posted **May 23, 2016, 4:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by King Kill 'em

^I actually love that. so cool

I kind of do too...it's unique and funny.

ChelseaFC · #**1160** Posted **May 23, 2016, 4:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by caligrad

Google maps say that Colorado ave. is blocked where the new station is. is that true ? if that's the case, I would love to see the stretch of Colorado between 4th and ocean turned into an extension of the promenade, tear down that parking garage on second and Colorado and turn it into an extension outdoor extension/link from the old promenade to the new.

Nope. Colorado is still open, but one way traffic with a protected bike lane now. Must have just been inaccessible when they did their last map update.