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Old Posted Feb 6, 2016, 5:45 AM
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This seems like it would make everybody happy. The residential would require a conditional building review, the new midblock street should allow it to pass design review easily(if it were to happen).

RATHER than tear this area down ^^^ I would rather see a grocery store take over that former Staples office section to the NW of the Olympic Plaza. There are a lot of empty spaces where you could put a gym and drug store without tearing anything down.

     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2016, 6:00 AM
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Liberty Uptown, the magnolia building, and the metropolitan:

Historic Northwest Pipeline Building Proposal Selection

Salt Lake City has selected Cowboy Partners/Form Development to redevelop the Historic Northwest Pipeline Building Site located at 315 East 200 South in Downtown Salt Lake City after a competitive, community-based selection process.

renderings in the link below:
http://www.slcdocs.com/hand/Northwest_Pipeline_Visuals.pdf

This project is really great!









     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2016, 6:36 AM
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Yes. SLC needs waaaay more of than instead of the stuff we generally get. Good on Cowboy Partners.
     
     
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I think the credit probably goes to Form more than Cowboy Partners. Form seems to be doing a lot of great things around town lately.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2016, 10:33 AM
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I was just on my way home from work and walked past the Pipeline building and thought, when are we going to see renderings from Cowboy partners on this one. Only to come home and get that plus a whole lot more from the forum. Thank you Viperlord. I'm gunna analyze the master plan when the hour isn't so late but the Pipeline stuff looks awesome.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2016, 11:13 AM
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The whole Pipeline Development is way cool. Much bigger than I anticipated. Seems like Salt Lake is getting a lot of major projects lately. Is there even one week where at least one or more major projects are not announced and or ground is broken? I'm very impressed, even coming from the Los Angeles perspective.

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Old Posted Feb 6, 2016, 11:22 AM
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Any updates on these two? I asked about a week or two ago, and got no reply. I hope the Regent Hotel is a for sure thing.
I think the Regent Hotel is just going through it's typical pre-construction process. I don't think it's a question of if, but how fast its already quick pace of process continues to proceed. Perhaps UtahPlanner can verify this.

I've been wondering about The Void too. I've always had the impression that its startup was tied to the CCH. Maybe Ken can give us some insight. He has been quiet lately.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2016, 4:52 PM
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^^^

That's a great looking project! That's the kind of project I kept hoping would pop up around the Gateway.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2016, 10:50 PM
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I think the Regent Hotel is just going through it's typical pre-construction process. I don't think it's a question of if, but how fast its already quick pace of process continues to proceed. Perhaps UtahPlanner can verify this.

I've been wondering about The Void too. I've always had the impression that its startup was tied to the CCH. Maybe Ken can give us some insight. He has been quiet lately.
When the Regent Hotel was announced they said that construction wouldn't start until 4th quarter of 2016, so it's not surprising that we haven't heard anything lately. That being said, something could always go wrong and kill the project, but we don't have reason to believe that to be the case
     
     
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I hate to tell you this, but... They are not going to tear down Dicks
If doing so results in a more functioning center, they will do it in a heart beat. They can easily entice Dick's into another location in the center.


I agree, I really like how the Pipeline Building project is proposed. It provides a variety of buildings, with a nice blending of styles, old and new. It provides more residential opportunities in EaDo (East Downtown), and I really like the idea of the rent free space for those that employ the chronically homeless.

While it doesn't break up a block per say, it does give the block some depth away from the street and provides some additional connections.

I'm excited to see this start.

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RATHER than tear this area down ^^^ I would rather see a grocery store take over that former Staples office section to the NW of the Olympic Plaza. There are a lot of empty spaces where you could put a gym and drug store without tearing anything down.
I know there are a lot of empty spaces, that's because retailers don't want to move into them. The Gateway has an oversupply of small boring spaces. I don't think that enticing a drug store and a gym into the NW corner is going to fix that. I further wonder how successful they would be in getting quality tenants there in the first place.


People seem to want an urban experience and the only thing urban about the Gateway is the homeless population. I agree with SP Hansen that something needs to come out, I just don't think that it's Dick's.

I hope the Pipeline project spills over into Big Lots. That parking lot needs to be developed. It kinda kills what would otherwise be a decent street to walk along.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2016, 10:44 PM
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I'm not against them removing Dick's if they feel that could improve the overall success of The Gateway. I am one who has made many suggestions of what types of businesses need to locate there in order to get the most out of it's location, neighborhood retail and entertainment.

With that said though, the point that has been made that the access/design is horrible and that the only place it actually invites people in as the NW corner of 200 S and 400 W. Other than that's it's horrible.

I do think there are some solutions to open it up without removing Dick's, again if that's what's best go for it, but here is an option that could go a long way into creating a bit more interaction with the surrounding streets but more importantly with the surrounding neighborhood and pedestrians.

The parking lot entrance on 400 W isn't as bad as several have made it out to be. Parking need to have ingress and egress somewhere. If they reoriented much of the 400 W frontage for more usable retail, when there is pedestrian traffic cars will naturally be more cautious when pulling out of the garage.

Here would be my punch list, without removing Dick's.
1) Narrow 100 S between 200 W and 600 W, there is absolutely no need for a five lane road through that stretch, it's not a major e/w corridor. Create a shared auto bike lane in each direction and a left turn lane at the intersections. Re-purpose the space to allow for retail options, and allow those tenants to have blade signs to draw people off of 100 S

2) Depot corridor 1. Create an e/w corridor all the way from 400 W to Rio Grande St. Reorient the first floor of the office building and the north side of the Barnes and Noble building to allow access from that new access. (in the image)

3) Depot Corridor 2: Relocate Flemmings and remove that building. Create another corridor from 400 W all the way to Rio Grande St. They could rebuild or retain the northern portion of that building. Reconfigure the Dick's space and place retail and restaurant locations facing the new corridor. (in the image) I think this one is critical for attracting people from VSA. Imagine them walking out the NW doors, looking to the west a seeing visual site path down that corridor that has blade signs announcing what is there Be the "Buffalo Wild Wings" "Something, something bar" "Flemmings", Hell even "Walgreens".

4) 500 W Corridor: Remove a large portion of the building on the west side of the Olympic Plaza, and open up the access to 500 W. Orient retail facing 500 W, the corridor and the plaza. (in the image)

All three of those corridors will open up that northern block to be more free flowing. Site lines are critical, especially for people that aren't familiar with the development ,and where that walkway to Flemmings leads to after it goes behind the depot will turn many unfamiliar pedestrians away. The same with the northern portion.

5) 100 S and all the above corridors need to have blade signs. Blade signs announce to passerby's what exactly is available down that pathway and can draw them, in, which can eventually draw them in further.

6) Remove the retail portion of the skybridge over 100 S, where LoveSac was. I don't have a huge issue with keeping the walkway, just open up the site from 500 W.

7) Develop the northern parking lot adjacent to N. Temple into housing with hidden parking. Engage he future residents of the Hardware Village and put some retail opportunities along 500 W, drawing them under the viaduct and into the Gateway.

8) Reorient some of the space facing the E/W road south of Hyatt Place, into so that they interact with that road as well. Blade signs could help here too.

9) Re-purpose the 400 W space to engage 400 W.

10) Re-purpose the 500 W frontage to accommodate retail opportunities.

When I refer to retail opportunities/space I have a very broad definition of that for The Gateway. Basically anything that could draw a pedestrian in, art gallery, bar, tea bar, restaurant, drug store, etc etc etc.


     
     
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Trying not to be too jealous. $1.5B planed for new buildings in Portland.
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/11_new_buildings_15_billion_in.html
     
     
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Your proposal doesn't make the Gateway any more urban than it already is. ALSO, I said a grocery store should go in the LARGE SPACE formerly occupied by Staples, not a drug store or gym.


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I know there are a lot of empty spaces, that's because retailers don't want to move into them. The Gateway has an oversupply of small boring spaces. I don't think that enticing a drug store and a gym into the NW corner is going to fix that. I further wonder how successful they would be in getting quality tenants there in the first place.


People seem to want an urban experience and the only thing urban about the Gateway is the homeless population. I agree with SP Hansen that something needs to come out, I just don't think that it's Dick's.

I hope the Pipeline project spills over into Big Lots. That parking lot needs to be developed. It kinda kills what would otherwise be a decent street to walk along.

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Trying not to be too jealous. $1.5B planed for new buildings in Portland.
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/11_new_buildings_15_billion_in.html
I dunno. They just rolled out a few drawings, but I do think that area is the best place in Portland for real towers. 2-3 years before breaking ground on anything though. We have $3-4 billion at work across our market right now with four towers in various stages of work. I do notice the Goodmans give a damn about their community. Wish our version of "the Goodmans" felt the same about our downtown.
     
     
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I think the Regent Hotel is just going through it's typical pre-construction process. I don't think it's a question of if, but how fast its already quick pace of process continues to proceed. Perhaps UtahPlanner can verify this.

I've been wondering about The Void too. I've always had the impression that its startup was tied to the CCH. Maybe Ken can give us some insight. He has been quiet lately.
The site for the Regent Hotel is serving as the staging grounds for the renovations to Regent Street. After Regent Street is done, I expect construction to start on the hotel.
     
     
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This is not directly development news, but it will affect development. I wrote an article today on how Salt Lake is producing less college graduates than hot metros right now. We need to be worried about our competitiveness as a region when Austin, Denver, Minneapolis, Seattle (even Raleigh) ect. are producing more 10+ percent more graduates, and we are at the bottom of the list with Oklahoma City and Boise.
     
     
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This is not directly development news, but it will affect development. I wrote an article today on how Salt Lake is producing less college graduates than hot metros right now. We need to be worried about our competitiveness as a region when Austin, Denver, Minneapolis, Seattle (even Raleigh) ect. are producing more 10+ percent more graduates, and we are at the bottom of the list with Oklahoma City and Boise.
That's interesting and concerning -- I've wondered lately how much the two year delay for LDS missionary service impacts college completion. It's anecdotal, but I know mine kind of derailed my own education for a bit. It benefited me a lot too (and let me double major in a foreign language which kept my GPA up)...but left me spinning my wheels for a while. I found myself and got through it all unscathed eventually...but there are many who don't. They come home and pursue some kind of business opportunity (pyramid scheme?) that seems too good to be true, and a faster route to beige suburbia than a university degree.

Not intending to lob a churchy grenade at all, just wondering if there were numbers that would connect the two events. I can also see missions increasing university attendance/graduation. Just wondering if there's any correlation or causation.
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I have enjoyed seeing/reading all of the ideas to help the ailing Gateway Mall. We may disagree on how to do it but hopefully others are paying attention to the suggestions. I do think something drastic needs to occur to even put the Gateway back on people's radar. The general look and feel needs to morph away from stucco suburban mall into an ultramodern urban destination. I think that can be done and still remain attractive to families. I think this means new tenants, exterior finishes of the buildings, lighting, music, use of technology, etc.

Regarding the Regent Street Hotel vs. The Void development. To be honest, I have very little faith in The Void. This is not meant to be a personal attack on Ken but it's a very ambitious project that has gained little to no traction that I have seen. I could be absolutely wrong and I have been surprised in my career but I really do not see that project being built in its current design. I think there are way too many hotel projects being discussed at the moment in SLC and without the backing of a major chain, banks will be reluctant to loan money on these projects.

I like the Regent Street Hotel project and have more faith in that project but the developers of that project seem to be a bit new at the development game. This is not necessarily a bad thing but it generally means that it takes longer for projects to move forward. Building a structure like this is very complex and expensive. They just take a lot of time.

Finally, I love the project at the old PSB. There was some tough competition as all of the submissions were pretty damn good. I think I may have liked one of them a little better personally but still a great choice. Also, please go away useless, ugly Big Lots store, please.
     
     
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I agree with you Makid and whoever else is was, hoping that this will spur the removal of Big Lots, in it's current state. I'm not against Big Lots staying in East Downtown, and it is obviously filling a need.

It really needs to be redeveloped though, offer Big Lots a spot in the new development include some housing, and some additional retail, maybe a mid-block connection of sorts and that could be another huge catalyst for EaDo.

Here's a quick idea for redeveloping Big Lots. This includes the US Government Property that runs from 200 - 300 S.

Red = 3-story row houses, some are alley loaded, some could have parking elsewhere.
Grey= Roads and alleys
Green = sidewalks and green space
Orange = 7-10 story mixed use, retail and residential.


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