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Old Posted Nov 7, 2015, 3:06 AM
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Satisfied?
Haha, dat better.

Edit: And you know what? Looking back on Mousquet's (sp?) posts, I kinda see his point about the pointy thing. And now, thanks to him, I'll never look at 1000 de la Gauchetiere the same anymore. My favourite YUL landmark, ruined.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2015, 3:13 AM
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You're acting like an idiot rousseau.
     
     
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You're acting like an idiot rousseau.
Way to prove his point.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2015, 3:29 AM
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There was nothing thin-skinned about it. I disagreed with it and expressed that disagreement in a joking, non-confrontational way. Light-hearted, off hand banter like that doesn't even necessitate a response.
I didn't really see any problem with the conversation, from either side. That was my point.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2015, 3:33 AM
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^ The Aus and UK forums are full of constant and poisonous bickering. Most of what I've seen isn't fun or jovial but simply angry. I think you're see something that just isn't there.
The SCC skybar? "Poisonous bickering?" No. That's simply your narrow North American view of what people there understand to be vigorous discussion and debate.

Haven't you noticed how there are no UKers on SSP? They'd either be bored to tears by the pedestrian level of the discussion, or irritated by prissy hissy fits that people throw when you fail to respect the boundaries enforced by the dictates of the American culture of self-esteem. Have a look at the Guardian: now that it is making a play for an American audience it's equal parts amusing and irritating watching American commenters bump up against UK conversational norms.

This Canadian forum is actually not as bad as the rest of SSP, though, which is so stiflingly American that there's hardly any point bothering with it.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2015, 3:41 AM
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The SCC skybar? "Poisonous bickering?" No. That's simply your narrow North American view of what people there understand to be vigorous discussion and debate.
No it isn't. Calling people names, accusing each other of being trolls, saying that one another should be banned, accusing one another of being pathetic and stalking one another, and so on may be vigorous, but it isn't discussion or debate. This is the type of thing I frequently witness and it is inane and mind numbing.

Now to be honest, I'm not that familiar with the skybar and mostly talking about the regular forums.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2015, 3:46 AM
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No it isn't. Calling people names, accusing each other of being trolls, saying that one another should be banned, accusing one another of being pathetic and stalking one another, and so on may be vigorous, but it isn't discussion or debate. This is the type of thing I frequently witness and it is inane and mind numbing.

Now to be honest, I'm not that familiar with the skybar and mostly talking about the regular forums.
I've never looked at any of the other forums. What would be the point?

The skybar is good fun if you have a half hour to kill.
     
     
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I go to different forums to learn about the urban issues of those places including new construction or public transit projects. And also photo threads. There local threads (like foreign equivalents of this one) are one of the best places to get a glimpse of a particular city. Certainly better than just hitting flickr or search engine I find.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2015, 4:07 AM
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Way to prove his point.
Prove what point? Idolize some fool and lower ourselves to the stereotypical English vs French because he hails from Europe? There's enough bullshit in these threads already. We certainly don't need some guy ranting scantimoniously about crude continental generalizations as if the Atlantic Ocean is some impassable barrier to a country of immigrants. Many of us have lived and experienced communities in Europe afterall.
     
     
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You've out urban-geeked me on this. I'll sometimes look at photo threads, but I can't summon up any interest in transit discussions in somewhere like Manchester.

My dirty little secret on this forum is that I'm more interested in cultural issues than strictly urban issues, even if I like looking at the pretty skyline pictures and gritty streetscape shots. I couldn't tell you the heights or even the names of any of the skyscrapers (save for famous ones like the Empire State Building and the Chrysler Building), and I don't know anything about how infrastructure like sewage systems is funded. I'm not a model customer here.

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I am liking Rousseau a lot on here. I posted some similar but less eloquent stuff in response to the Mousquet issue on here but it was deleted.

One thing I will add now is that Canadians seem to have a national character trait of going to extremely great lengths to avoid hurting other people's feelings, something which causes them to repress natural passive-aggressive tendencies (or perhaps it actually causes these tendencies).

Anyway, as a result of this it seems that many Canadians will then react rather badly when people don't seem to want to make the effort to exercise the same restraint that they do in trying to avoid hurting other people's feelings (namely theirs).

This can set off sparks with people from cultures where such restraint is not as common or expected.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2015, 5:15 AM
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I am liking Rousseau a lot on here. I posted some similar but less eloquent stuff in response to the Mousquet issue on here but it was deleted.

One thing I will add now is that Canadians seem to have a national character trait of going to extremely great lengths to avoid hurting other people's feelings, something which causes them to repress natural passive-aggressive tendencies (or perhaps it actually causes these tendencies).

Anyway, as a result of this it seems that many Canadians will then react rather badly when people don't seem to want to make the effort to exercise the same restraint that they do in trying to avoid hurting other people's feelings (namely theirs).

This can set off sparks with people from cultures where such restraint is not as common or expected.
I think you probably got the closest with your earlier assessment pertaining to the language barrier. I didn't see anyone whose feelings got hurt nor reacting terribly badly; people just got uncomfortable because they thought he was crazy.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2015, 6:00 AM
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One thing I will add now is that Canadians seem to have a national character trait of going to extremely great lengths to avoid hurting other people's feelings, something which causes them to repress natural passive-aggressive tendencies (or perhaps it actually causes these tendencies).

Anyway, as a result of this it seems that many Canadians will then react rather badly when people don't seem to want to make the effort to exercise the same restraint that they do in trying to avoid hurting other people's feelings (namely theirs).

This can set off sparks with people from cultures where such restraint is not as common or expected.
Yep, it's the frontier mentality. You don't have the time or the inclination for verbal games when you're pushing off into uncharted or recently charted territory with everything on the line. You need to know exactly what this or that guy over here or over there is up to, because everything is resting on it. A misunderstanding which might have been amusing to a London shopkeeper could have been disastrous to a young guy with a pregnant wife trying to tough out his first winter in the bush ten miles away from the nearest neighbour. We've got a ton of etymologically American sayings that spell this out:

"A man's word is his bond."
"Tell me plainly."
"Money talks, bullshit walks."

We're not pioneers anymore, but the mentality has persisted as a North American trait. Think about that last one: you would be hard pressed to find a single American who would disagree with its perceived wisdom, either whole-heartedly or cynically. And yet, what were the dockworkers in the East End doing for a couple centuries save for coming up with the "bullshit" of their rhyming slang? It's easy for distinctively stylized verbal patterns to emerge from centuries of stationary ferment, whereas, by contrast, it's a well-known linguistic fact that moving populations are extremely conservative with language.

The only famous North American exceptions are African-Americans and New York Jews, two demographic groups large enough to achieve critical linguistic mass who never had a stake in the North American frontier (and who come fairly close to rivalling the British and Irish in the inventiveness of their speech).

The power of the Roman church in ecclesiastical Quebec makes it an interesting exception to the North American rule, though. Those long, neat rows of cultivated land speak to a more established society than the rest of North America ever had. Seems to me that the general rule goes something like this: the more the fluctuation and uncertainty, the less the linguistic invention. And vice versa.
     
     
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