Metro Vancouver Transportation & Transit Plebiscite - Page 78

Spork · #**1541** Posted **Jun 9, 2015, 3:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by casper

If Translink has some space in the station that would be good for public art then go to the public art people and get them to do there part.

Who are the "public art people"? Is there some mysterious "Free Art for the Public" section on Craigslist?

casper · #**1542** Posted **Jun 9, 2015, 3:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

I think you really dont understand how "public art" works. Art will not just pop up in stations for free, it has to be bought / leased using money. You also ignored the fact that if a third party does this, then there are hefty insurance costs involved (and likely legal liabilities) that would then involve a lot of management.

I love how people here cry foul about our stations being "plain" and boring, and then show examples of showpiece stations from around the world, decorated to the 🞵🞵🞵🞵 with art and extremely expensive structures, then when Translink does even the slightest action towards such, it becomes a huge waste of money!

Obviously I don't understand how public art works.

The people who live in Vancouver pay there taxes and they have a city council that decided how much money to hand over to the "Civic Public Art Program" (http://vancouver.ca/parks-recreation-culture/create-and-place-public-art.aspx)

One would expect that the money that goes into the "Civic Public Art Program" is spent on Art and not other things (such as Transportation or Social Housing). From some of the news articles it sounds like part of funds for the poodle came from there. I think it would have been good if all of it came from there.

I am not against art. I am against having elected representatives decide how much money to spend on transportation vrs art vrs social housing and then have unelected official repurpose those funding for other things When that happens you can not hold elected officials accountable.

It is not about how much the poodle costs. It is about the transit organisation saying we don't have enough money we need our own special tax, the elected officials are not giving us enough. Trust us we will spend it wisely. Then spending it on things that are core to their mission. It tasks like "bait and switch". Yes, the cost of the poodle might buy a bus shelter somewhere at most. If translink wants to gain that trust factor it needs to be pretty clean and focused.

casper · #**1543** Posted **Jun 9, 2015, 4:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by Spork

Who are the "public art people"? Is there some mysterious "Free Art for the Public" section on Craigslist?

There people: "Civic Public Art Program" http://vancouver.ca/parks-recreation-culture/public-art.aspx

They are the people that the citizens of Vancouver are paying to decide what is "good" public art, to prioritize there art budget to provide the most value. They only paid for part of the poodle. They should have paid for all of it.

Metro-One · #**1544** Posted **Jun 9, 2015, 4:43 AM**

Thats great for Vancouver, every city has a public art program, the thing is, Translink is not Vancouver (or any other city) property!

So if art is to be part of our transit system, it has to go through the transit authority.

urbancanadian · #**1545** Posted **Jun 9, 2015, 6:02 AM**

Just out of curiosity, are there any transit systems in the world that don't spend any money on public art?

I'm being serious. I was going to mention some communist country running some sort of bare-bones agency... but ironically they seem to have the most lavish stations anywhere.

Meraki · #**1546** Posted **Jun 9, 2015, 6:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by urbancanadian

Just out of curiosity, are there any transit systems in the world that don't spend any money on public art?

BC Transit.

Waders · #**1547** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 5:52 AM**

Ballots are still being counted but Vancouver mayor starts working on Plan B for Broadway subway?

Meraki · #**1548** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 6:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by Waders

Ballots are still being counted but Vancouver mayor starts working on Plan B for Broadway subway?

In the event of the No side winning, the Vancouver extension of the Millennium line has a decent chance of happening, especially if the CPC loses the election come October.

Hepner's "LRT at all costs" plan won't see the light of day if the plebiscite doesn't pass. Even with a 'Yes' vote she'd need to convince the Federal government it's a sound investment (which everybody has said it isn't.)

We're going to get a Broadway subway quickly, or in 5-10 years depending on the result. Surrey isn't going to get their LRT.

Point being, despite the plebiscite ending in a Yes or No, we're going to forever argue over the details like Surrey expecting to rely on the private sector to fund their LRT, or Vancouver feeling entitled to the expansion because 'they need it most'.

WarrenC12 · #**1549** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 1:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Meraki

In the event of the No side winning, the Vancouver extension of the Millennium line has a decent chance of happening, especially if the CPC loses the election come October.

How do you figure that? It's probably the single most expensive part of the 10-year plan.

I agree it absolutely needs to happen, I just don't know where the money will come from.

If the vote doesn't pass, I feel like we'll be stuck in eternal confusion and fighting like with the Canada Line, but without any impending deadline (2010 Olympics) to force anybody's hand.

s211 · #**1550** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 2:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by Waders

Ballots are still being counted but Vancouver mayor starts working on Plan B for Broadway subway?

How many millions of dollars were spent to propagate the lie that there was no Plan B?

aberdeen5698 · #**1551** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 2:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by s211

How many millions of dollars were spent to propagate the lie that there was no Plan B?

There was no Plan B. So if the "no" side wins then now we have to make one.

Gordon · #**1552** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 3:23 PM**

I suspect the Government & Translink have been planning the next steps in case of a No win that would be the prudent thing to do.

During the plebiscite process to announce there is a plan B in case of failure would likely keep the voting numbers down which certainly not what the government would want.

WarrenC12 · #**1553** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 3:39 PM**

Safe to say there's always a Plan B. As far as the plebiscite was concerned, it was Option 1, there was no Option 2. I think it was all a matter of perception.

For all intents and purposes, a No vote is back to the drawing board.

CanSpice · #**1554** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 4:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by s211

How many millions of dollars were spent to propagate the lie that there was no Plan B?

How many millions of dollars were spent on the stupid plebiscite that we never should have had in the first place?

WBC · #**1555** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 4:21 PM**

What Plan B??? For the last 5-6 years mayors and the province have been flinging mud while doing next to nothing. Expect the same to continue if the answer is "No". Everybody is saying how important it is to get this done, but taking half a decade to make a decision makes me think it's really not that big of a deal.

DKaz · #**1556** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 4:38 PM**

I heard the Conservatives were giving away infrastructure money this summer.

WarrenC12 · #**1557** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by DKaz

I heard the Conservatives were giving away infrastructure money this summer.

Valid only if they are re-elected in the fall, which is not looking very likely at this point.

Klazu · #**1558** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 6:10 PM**

I really don't understand anyone that commutes with car having voted 'No'. I am lucky enough not having to commute by car, but this week I have been out with car during the rush hour and it is ridiculous how congested our main aertials are being! North Shore bridges are a gong show, both Massey Tunnel and Alex Fraser Bridge are crawling and even the new 8-lane Highway 1 is full of cars and regularly experiences constantly stopping traffic!

And this is today without those extra one million people that will be moving in here in the next 25 years! If everything is so congested already today, things will come to a complete standstill in next few decades. And at that time it will be too late to start putting money in improving transit and roads as those projects take easily 10 years from planning to construction.

One would think that those hundreds of thousands of commuters seeing this every day with their very own eyes would have seen 'Yes' being the no-brainer choice, but it all came down to the ridiculous arguments like "Translink is corrupted" and "we are already taxed to death" scare tactics taking over the discussion. Not saying those being somewhat valid as well, but in the grand scheme both are miniscule in comparison to the problems that lay ahead without more funding...

nname · #**1559** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 6:13 PM**

And then there's the 2015 service optimization, where the changes are already proposed late last year but the consultation has being held back. Maybe they are waiting for the result too?

Three of the changes (all improvements) has already be implemented though.

GlassCity · #**1560** Posted **Jun 18, 2015, 6:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by nname

And then there's the 2015 service optimization, where the changes are already proposed late last year but the consultation has being held back. Maybe they are waiting for the result too?

Three of the changes (all improvements) has already be implemented though.

What changes are they proposing? I'm only able to find the ones for 2014, where they truncated the 404 from Ladner to Riverport...which kinda screwed my commute over.