SkyCity Centre Winnipeg | 45F | 575 Ft | 175.26 M | Cancelled

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by trueviking

I've heard that the whole idea of outside companies taking entire floors as investment properties has turned out to be a pipe dream.

That's unfortunate, they did talk about this being the case earlier when this proposal was initially announced. It will make the pre-sales of units that much more difficult without larger investors involved.

[esquire]

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[pkirvan]

Originally Posted by Cyro

That's unfortunate, they did talk about this being the case earlier when this proposal was initially announced. It will make the pre-sales of units that much more difficult without larger investors involved.

Fortune has nothing to do with it. Obviously nobody who knows how to run a company well enough to be running a company is going to make any material investment in a group of junk bond salesmen who lie and have a terrible track record of never delivering on their promises. Far from unfortunate, we are fortunate that our companies have management that isn't entirely brain dead.

-"We've got a major grocery just itching to announce" (Fortress, circa 2013)

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by pkirvan

You're joking, right? As far as I know they have zero announced tenants.

Yes, clearly joking.

[pkirvan]

Originally Posted by buzzg

Yes, clearly joking.

Thank goodness. While it ought to be clear that you are joking, there's plenty of people around here who are ready to believe that Fortress has 300 tenants lined up. All they have to do is hint at it in a tweet or call it into the WFP as an 'insider tip' and some people consider it a fact.

[rypinion]

Originally Posted by pkirvan

Thank goodness. While it ought to be clear that you are joking, there's plenty of people around here who are ready to believe that Fortress has 300 tenants lined up. All they have to do is hint at it in a tweet or call it into the WFP as an 'insider tip' and some people consider it a fact.

I think you read too much into when others share tweets and news articles that they come across.

[pkirvan]

Originally Posted by rypinion

I think you read too much into when others share tweets and news articles that they come across.

Nope. Cyro has never seen a WFP article or Fortress tweet that he doesn't have 100% faith in. On the bright side, his comment above, #481, recognizes for the first time that what Fortress said (lots of major tenants) and reality (no tenants) are not congruent. Perhaps he will one day take the giant leap of realizing that Fortress flat-out lied.

[DancingDuck]

https://twitter.com/fortressrdi/status/590995394990977024
Looks like fortress has found a grocery tenant, filled all the other retail spaces, and sold every single one of the units! Construction will start immediately! Hooray!

Maybe I'm reading into the tweet too much?

[Cyro]

Demolition for the grand entrance to the sales centre complete. The countdown to fall is on! #livedowntown #Winnipeg

https://twitter.com/SkyCityWinnipeg


The SkyCity team is back in Winnipeg this week. Looking forward to some great meetings & progress at the sales centre

https://twitter.com/SkyCityWinnipeg

[Biff]

I see that local Landscape Architects Scatliff+Miller+Murray has been added to the SkyCity design team. They are a great firm, good for them.

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by biguc

You could be right. I'm just looking at the top right render in this picture:



That looks like the view of the building from Smith, and there's surface parking beside the building. But I just checked on the map and it looks like Skycity wouldn't actually reach the Regis anyway.

I'm hoping that once SCC is completed that the Regis and the Garrick Hotels will close down, be expropriated, be demo'd by Imrie, and turn into something better than they are.

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by biguc

You could be right. I'm just looking at the top right render in this picture:



That looks like the view of the building from Smith, and there's surface parking beside the building. But I just checked on the map and it looks like Skycity wouldn't actually reach the Regis anyway.

That render resembles a tower in Chicago ... 62 storeys that make 340 on the Park, which is one of the major residential skyscrapers seen from Millennium Park.



http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=18341

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/340_on_the_Park

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by TRiToNDREyJA

New model based on updated design.
just throwing it out there.

Nice job updating the data base, with your new rendering.
Surprising it's height looks so close to that of the CanWest building when placed side by side, (- the pentice.) office space vs. residential units accounting for the discrepancy.
Well done.....

[1ajs]

speaking of the garrik tonights vynal tuesday.. people show up with their records and play then its kinda neat that place has really changed and theres a new diner in there that vynal themed jim... the regis is a poblem these days the garrik not so much

[esquire]

^ I definitely notice the changed vibe around the Garrick. But I thought the Regis stopped being a problem when they shut down the beverage room in there?

[buzzg]

It'll be interesting to see (although this is just speculation) if The Pint's owners look at buying the Garrick Hotel when they're ready to do another concept. That would be so cool.

They said they're looking to open a few more over the next few years and like their locations to be close. Also, they have really deep pockets.

[Cyro]

News Letter ..Fast Facts reg: Proposal. May.15.2015

http://skycitywinnipeg.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/16031-FOR-SKYCITY-Fast-Facts-Handout-3-HR.pdf

LOCATION :The south east corner of Graham Avenue and Gary Street
STATUS : Pre-construction
DEVELOPER:Fortress Real Developments
ARCHITECT:Kirkor Architect + Planners
LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT:SCATLIFF + MILLER + MURRAY
INTERIORS:Union31
SALES CENTRE:279 Gary Street
(under construction and planned to open September 2015)
SALES CENTRE CONSTRUCTION TEAM:
EllisDon Construction using all local Winnipeg Trades
HEIGHT:575 Feet
# FLOORS:45 storeys with a 3-6 storey pentice
8-STOREY PODIUM WITH:
• 25,000 sq.ft. of ground floor retail including a planned grocery store
• 60,000 sq.ft. of office space
• Covered parking available to residential and commercial tenant

[Cyro]

Notable changes to OP. Height, pentice floors, office space sq. footage.

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by Cyro

News Letter ..Fast Facts reg: Proposal. May.15.2015

http://skycitywinnipeg.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/16031-FOR-SKYCITY-Fast-Facts-Handout-3-HR.pdf

LOCATION :The south east corner of Graham Avenue and Gary Street
STATUS : Pre-construction
DEVELOPER:Fortress Real Developments
ARCHITECT:Kirkor Architect + Planners
LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT:SCATLIFF + MILLER + MURRAY
INTERIORS:Union31
SALES CENTRE:279 Gary Street
(under construction and planned to open September 2015)
SALES CENTRE CONSTRUCTION TEAM:
EllisDon Construction using all local Winnipeg Trades
HEIGHT:575 Feet
# FLOORS:45 storeys with a 3-6 storey pentice
8-STOREY PODIUM WITH:
• 25,000 sq.ft. of ground floor retail including a planned grocery store
• 60,000 sq.ft. of office space
• Covered parking available to residential and commercial tenant

I'm no expert on the matter but I would have to think that a well-established firm like Scatliff wouldn't get involved if they didn't think this project had some legs...?

[GarryEllice]

Originally Posted by buzzg

I'm no expert on the matter but I would have to think that a well-established firm like Scatliff wouldn't get involved if they didn't think this project had some legs...?

Re the newsletter -- I'm not super impressed that (1) they don't know how to spell Garry Street and (2) they don't know which corner they're on (not the south-east!)