Calgary International Airport II - Page 154

Bigtime · #**3061** Posted **Apr 17, 2015, 4:29 PM**

Hmm, so which airline is shipping the horses to Asia? That video show Korean Air Cargo, and in fact I think I got photos of the flight departing in the morning back in 2012, but that flight was definitely a one-off. Is it the Atlas Air flights that seem to be coming through here more regularly?

Edit: Checked my photos and mine was from 2013, not 2012. Still those flights by KE seem to be very rare. If memory serves a lot of those Atlas Air flights head right to Japan (Kagoshima usually) after stopping here.

Blader · #**3062** Posted **Apr 17, 2015, 5:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

Hmm, so which airline is shipping the horses to Asia? That video show Korean Air Cargo, and in fact I think I got photos of the flight departing in the morning back in 2012, but that flight was definitely a one-off. Is it the Atlas Air flights that seem to be coming through here more regularly?

Edit: Checked my photos and mine was from 2013, not 2012. Still those flights by KE seem to be very rare. If memory serves a lot of those Atlas Air flights head right to Japan (Kagoshima usually) after stopping here.

It's possible that the Korean plane was not the carrier. That said, and to be pedantic, the carrier is not the shipper.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ho...picket-calgary-airport-meeting-1.3036131

Still, a live dog, (pet) shipped needs to be able to stand comfortably otherwise it's judged to be animal cruelty and an offense. That said, IANAL, and perhaps a different standard applies to livestock. Crowding is a legitimate issue as well. One would think, even in the absence of government inspectors, that the shipper and the carrier carry responsibility. The standards are not rocket science.

Bigtime · #**3063** Posted **Apr 17, 2015, 5:10 PM**

Yes I was aware that the carrier is not the shipper, was just curious as to what flights are carrying these live horses.

That group knows damn well YYC has no say over the shipments either, but they no doubt figured it was a good public venue to get it out in the media. Herald article of the meeting made no mention, but I see CBC is running with it a bit.

Cage · #**3064** Posted **Apr 17, 2015, 5:43 PM**

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Off topic, but has there been any word on a Run/Roam the Runway event this year? I recall it was a one-time event but someone at the Calgary Airport Authority suggested they'd look into it as an annual tradition. Is it logistically possible to shut down an operating runway for a public event?

The run side of the event can be made into an annual event. I believe YYZ does have a run, they close one runway for the morning to mid afternoon.

The roam component is very hard to become an annual event. Too many volunteers are needed to operate the day.

Here is a link to the Toronto event: http://www.torontopearson.com/runwayrun/#

Blader · #**3065** Posted **Apr 17, 2015, 6:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

Yes I was aware that the carrier is not the shipper, was just curious as to what flights are carrying these live horses.

That group knows damn well YYC has no say over the shipments either, but they no doubt figured it was a good public venue to get it out in the media. Herald article of the meeting made no mention, but I see CBC is running with it a bit.

Agreed.

tuffyy · #**3066** Posted **Apr 17, 2015, 10:16 PM**

Keep in mind it's not just Asia that has demand for Horsemeat. Yes to us it seems almost unethical however much like beef it is and has been a regular in many diets around the world including various countries in Europe.

Without naming carriers it's not just the "cargo" charters flying out of YYC hauling horsemeat (processed and live).

Bigtime · #**3067** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 1:14 AM**

Yeah, I have no issue with horse being used as a meat too.

I thought it was common knowledge that a lot of cargo leaving this city is horse meat destined for Europe. I guess the big difference with this is the horses being shipped live to be used as shashimi.

#**3068** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 2:57 AM**

Hearing Korean Air will be back to YYC this summer for a couple one-off services... have they been here since 2010 when we had the 777 service? Don't think so.

tuffyy · #**3069** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 6:20 AM**

I don't see how a horse that's shipped to Japan and Europe is any diffirent? Yes the one's destined for Japan are typically shipped alive and raised slightly longer for various reasons (diet and special care) compared to straight already processed meat (in Alberta). A vet also accompanies the flights (at least they used to in YEG). But a animal activist group will never tell you that or simply don't know.

Good to see KE doing a few Rocky Mountain charters again this summer.

Johnny Aussie · #**3070** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 12:18 PM**

Cathay from JFK is delayed a few hours so YYC will have two 748s on the ground at the same time... And in daylight no less! Cargolux due in shortly as well.

Do they ramp near each other?

Too bad YYC doesn't have webcams!

Johnny Aussie · #**3071** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 12:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acey

Hearing Korean Air will be back to YYC this summer for a couple one-off services... have they been here since 2010 when we had the 777 service? Don't think so.

Any idea when, equipment and how many?

Bigtime · #**3072** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 12:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Cathay from JFK is delayed a few hours so YYC will have two 748s on the ground at the same time... And in daylight no less! Cargolux due in shortly as well.

Do they ramp near each other?

Too bad YYC doesn't have webcams!

I noticed this too, had Cargolux come right over me for 35L as I was getting on Deerfoot on my way to work.

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Any idea when, equipment and how many?

According to a poster on the Facebook YYC page it is operating on July 24, 29 and August 3 with the A332. Flight numbers KE9087 and KE9088.

Cage · #**3073** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 4:30 PM**

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(1) Great Question Cage! (and thanks for starting out by saying something positive, I don't remember your exact words but it was something good).

(2) I am always impressed by people who are able to ask questions at the AGM in front of everyone. It takes guts.

(3) TBH I'm not sure I understood the Horse lady, I get that she is concerned about the treatment of live animals at YYC but isn't it kind of ironic given that they are about to be slaughtered at their destination anyways? Not trying to be insensitive, maybe I am missing something. On a lighter note, I would argue that treatment of pax by airlines isn't much better these days..

(4) Looking forward to AGM 2016!

(1) thanks. I was complementing all the CAA staff for improvements to the airport that have occurred over the past two years.

(2) last year was the first year I asked a question. I got courage to ask a question by the antics of Oscar Fech and John Schmall, who were dominating the discussion about matters unrelated to the airport.

This year was a lot easier, but I had written out the question before hand.

(3) the horse people are against using horses for meat. Their purpose is to try and get the airport authority to ban shipments of horses for slaughter.

One item not seen was that Atikinson at least appeared to be reading responses from a prepared statement. If true this could point to either the CAA had advanced knowledge the horse protestors would be there, or Jodi Moseley (head of communications) was able to quickly type up a response for her boss. If the latter occurred, that is an impressive turnaround for a statement.

(4) CAA is going to need a bigger venue for the 2016AGM. It would be well worth the price of admission (parking in parkade 2) to hold the event in the checkin hall of the new terminal.

Cage · #**3074** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 5:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by cyeg66

Reading Cage's comments about the boondoggle which are WS 763 introduction, and KLM/BA ops likely needing concourse changes, etc, isn't it funny to look back at all the flack thrown the CAA's way for going ahead with such a large expansion? By the time the new wing opens, the airport's capacity will have been up against the rev limiter for at least a couple of years! Perhaps the haters just need to accept that the airport authority has some knowledge as to what they're doing. The airport now has plenty of runway capacity but very little more airport capacity. I think Bigtime's right, they may be in for a little bit of hurt for the next 18 months. In a pro-business province like Oilberta, that's not good.

WS wide body is the game changer for YYC. WS always starts new adventures out of Calgary (startup, Encore, Hawaii charters, USA transborder).

AC rouge is another game changer in a round-about way. AC rouge has filled capacity at YYZ/YUL/YOW. Additionally overall AC capacity increases at YYZ and the AC-GTAA comprehensive agreement have closed some doors for WS. For example, AC is allowed unlimited expansion at T1, if T1 fills up, non Star Alliance airlines are transferred to T3 and/or Infield hold terminal. For Encore operations, WS has been offered the T3 Satelite for Encore and five domestic gates, a location no airline wants to operate from. There is not much room for WS to operate wide body European services from YYZ.

YVR has competition from every major European airline. additionally it is a tough sell to get YYC and YEG pax to connect in YVR on their way to Europe (airlines who do this have to discount to attract pax).

YEG Europe is fully served with AC, FI, KL routes.

WS wide body really is CAA/YYC venture to lose.

One final note, as I was asking my question, Stephan Poirer perked up and got a really big smile my way. He then watched intensely as Atkinson answered the question. It was my biggest indication that CAA is well aware of the passenger challenges they will face for the summer 2016 period. Poirer's group will be delivering a lot of strategic objectives in 2016 and the rest of the CAA team will have a tough challenge to meet the new capacity.

Policy Wonk · #**3075** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 7:12 PM**

The horse issue has also come up at quite a few US airports. This is North America where horses are just big noble dogs to most people.

Johnny Aussie · #**3076** Posted **Apr 18, 2015, 9:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

According to a poster on the Facebook YYC page it is operating on July 24, 29 and August 3 with the A332. Flight numbers KE9087 and KE9088.

Great thanks for the info. Will be good to have them back even if just for a few flights. Perhaps this will become an annual thing. I remember them testing the waters last time in 2010 (thrice weekly for about 5 weeks) but opened res up for both directions. I'd assume with this limited service it would be for Asian originating only. Doesn't seem like it's been five years since they were last here.

YYC's press release from 2010 ----> http://www.yyc.com/en/us/careers/airport...onal-Seoul-Calgary-Non-stop-Service.aspx

The Fisher Account · #**3077** Posted **Apr 19, 2015, 4:44 AM**

Am I the only one who finds it annoying when coming back from the US at YYC to see all the 10-15 year old photos of Calgary's downtown on the walls coming into customs? What an eyesore

Policy Wonk · #**3078** Posted **Apr 19, 2015, 4:55 AM**

I'm more troubled by the picture of the guy with weird 80's women's sunglasses in US customs.

Cage · #**3079** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 1:48 AM**

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Am I the only one who finds it annoying when coming back from the US at YYC to see all the 10-15 year old photos of Calgary's downtown on the walls coming into customs? What an eyesore

Don't really notice the wall coverings at all. Then again it's usually very late and the only thing in my mind is getting home as fast as possible. Quick jog to the escalators and then short walk to Nexus machines. Once I'm cleared the primary inspection Line it's straight out to the park to go bus pickup location and I am on my way. I do 35 minutes from walking off a domestic flight to getting into the home garage, international and transborder flights are 45 minutes.

My hope is the new international terminal will add 10 minutes of mostly walking to my travel home time.

The real pain points with Canadian customs hall start with inability to handle multiple simultaneous widebody arrivals. The lone up for customs primary inspection line Starts on the third floor arrivsls hallways, a couple of white hatters are the first individuals to meet the throngs of passengers and they have unenviable position of explain how long the line up for customs will be.

What excites me and gets me through the tough times of long lineups caused by an overloaded facility is the prospect of having nice things are just around the corner. In my mind the YUL and YVR customs halls are the gold standard. Someday soon we will have a facility that rivals the best facilities in the world.

Johnny Aussie · #**3080** Posted **Apr 20, 2015, 5:24 AM**

Saw something on flyertalk then this on YHM's site.

http://flyhamilton.ca/news/air-canada-rouge-service-between-hamilton-and-calgary-deferred-to-2016/

So rouge is deferring YYC-YHM until May 2016 due to "fleet constraints" per an Air Canada spokesperson.

Hmmmmmm... Is that a nice way to say.... "bookings not meeting expectations so we are going to utilise the aircraft that was being allocated to this route elsewhere.."

Sorry but for a route that was to commence in just over two months any "fleet constraints" would have been ironed out well before now.