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Old Posted Mar 20, 2015, 5:26 AM
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Has their been any news regarding YYC-PEK recently?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2015, 6:07 AM
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Has their been any news regarding YYC-PEK recently?
Yeah.. I was wondering that too. Seems awfully quiet
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2015, 6:36 AM
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Has their been any news regarding YYC-PEK recently?
Ken King will announce something in "some weeks", probably.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2015, 10:22 PM
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Has their been any news regarding YYC-PEK recently?
Just doing the usual tea leaf reading, but I now expect no announcement on YYC-PEK until the joint venture between AC and CA has past Competition Tribunal process. At that point both YYC-PEK and YUL-PEK will be simultaneously announced.

Also nothing will get critical until about the September time period. AC does not have available aircraft until February 2016 to start the route.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2015, 10:33 PM
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Yes, I never doubted this is the root cause. However, just like UA and its cuts... KLM has plenty of cost/profit software at its disposal that spits out what can be cut with the lowest impact on their bottom line. They wouldn't be cutting high yielding flights. I reckon Toronto cuts are assisted by the fact there is more than one flight per day on most days.
How long this goes on is anybody's guess. KLM has stated publicly it is on hold indefinitely but first flight showing as 19 May (as is indicated on airlineroute.net). I would expect the route will be cut in periods of two weeks ongoing until this is resolved.
Just some Friday afternoon musings.....

What does the YEG-AMS suspension mean for YYC-AMS Not too comforting is that YEG-AMS traffic can be accomodated within the existing YYC-AMS? To me this speaks to the potential that YEG-AMS pulled a lot of traffic from YYC-AMS. Will both flights become unprofitable this summer?

Rather than pulling down YEG-AMS indefinitely, I think KLM will come up with another solution. If anything KLM knows they have to either start the route or cancel it entirely and pull out of the opportunity for the next few years (because their image will have suffered immensely).

One possible solution is to pull flights from YYC-AMS on a selective basis. Under this scenario, YEG-AMS starts with 2 flights per week and YYC-AMS gets pulled down to 3-4 flights per week. Another solution is to put together an AMS-YYC-YEG triangle solution.

Above all I am starting to think the YEG-AMS situation does not speak well of the YYC-AMS flight.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2015, 10:58 PM
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Another solution is to put together an AMS-YYC-YEG triangle solution.
I'm all for this, but only if 8th freedom rights are granted b/w YYC-YEG. Big upgrade over Dash-8 service!

In all seriousness though, this is not good news for the Alberta air service market.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2015, 11:49 PM
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Heard a rumour from an AC employee... don't trust him as far as I can throw him but he was saying YYC-PEK would be no sooner than a summer 2016 start.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2015, 11:55 PM
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We've a lot of great contributers to this thread, but IMO, you take the cake. My hat is off!! Thank you.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2015, 1:07 AM
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Just some Friday afternoon musings.....

What does the YEG-AMS suspension mean for YYC-AMS Not too comforting is that YEG-AMS traffic can be accommodated within the existing YYC-AMS? To me this speaks to the potential that YEG-AMS pulled a lot of traffic from YYC-AMS. Will both flights become unprofitable this summer?

Above all I am starting to think the YEG-AMS situation does not speak well of the YYC-AMS flight.
That's what I was thinking in my earlier post... Both flights combined not even filling one plane. Although, we don't know the % of YEG pax being protected on YYC flights as some may be redirected through YYZ, YUL or even YVR.

In any event... it certainly doesn't paint a rosy picture.

Also I read the Stats Canada Daily on line every day and just saw retail sales in AB significantly lower in January (and way down compared to Jan 2014) and 4 months in a row of declines... led by lower automobile sales... In my former economist days for the AB economy this was always a real sign of a significant slow down...

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Old Posted Mar 21, 2015, 7:16 AM
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Integra Air launching YYC services

So while we wait for the announcement of the YYC-PEK route....

Integra Air announces.... Bonnyville, Lethbridge and Kalispell!!

7 flights per week to YBY effective April 13.
2 weekly flights to YQL/FCA effective May 1.

All the exciting details including all-inclusive resort packages can be found here ---> http://www.integraair.com/flight-schedules/

They are reducing their YEG-YQL schedules on the same date as the launch of the Bonnyville flights (April 13).

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Old Posted Mar 21, 2015, 2:47 PM
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I suspect they're packing the YYC-AMS flight full and redirecting other passengers eastward (mostly). Yes, things are slowing down but should return to normal within a couple of years, when OPEC is done playing dirty in the sandbox. Much the same way YYC-NRT was poorly timed to start with the Japanese tsunami, I'm hopeful KLM toughs it out if and when it eventually starts the flights, knowing profitability is just around the chronological corner.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2015, 2:09 AM
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Integra Air announces.... Bonnyville, Lethbridge and Kalispell!!

2 weekly flights to YQL/FCA effective May 1.
Does YQL post passenger statistics? YOY International #'s (scheduled) will be over 100%+ increase!

Fastest growing International airport in Alberta!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2015, 3:04 AM
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Does YQL post passenger statistics? YOY International #'s (scheduled) will be over 100%+ increase!

Fastest growing International airport in Alberta!
Alberta? How about Canada!

Imagine the bragging rights
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2015, 4:11 AM
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My dad is good friends with the guy that I believe is the owner of Integra. I wish them luck, YQL has been somewhat unkind to them in recent years.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2015, 3:58 AM
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Wow I was not aware of this, YUL pays 375% more Municipal Property Tax than YYC! (38M vs. 8M)

Granted, businesses based on YYC Lands pay significant additional property taxes to the City, much more than business based on YUL lands..but still, 375%!! :O

http://globalnews.ca/news/1169605/trudea...to-keep-up-with-other-canadian-airports/

in other news:

http://globalnews.ca/news/628325/montreal-voted-the-second-worst-airport-in-canada/

(note: not YUL bashing but the second article came up as "related" story.. )
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2015, 3:45 PM
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It could just be accounting differences - business taxes might flow threw YUL via the ground leases, whereas Calgary is direct.
     
     
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It could just be accounting differences - business taxes might flow threw YUL via the ground leases, whereas Calgary is direct.
Or it could be the close-to-downtown location - wasn't this one of the reasons Mirabel was built?
     
     
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Or it could be the close-to-downtown location - wasn't this one of the reasons Mirabel was built?
YUL is nowhere near downtown. Unless you're talking downtown Dorval.
     
     
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YUL is nowhere near downtown. Unless you're talking downtown Dorval.
I think you have them switched; Mirabel (YMX) is outside of the city, YUL/Dorval/Pierre Elliott Trudeau is close to downtown Montreal.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2015, 8:07 PM
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I think you have them switched; Mirabel (YMX) is outside of the city, YUL/Dorval/Pierre Elliott Trudeau is close to downtown Montreal.
YUL isn't really close to downtown Montreal. It's certainly closer than Mirabel though....
     
     
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