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Old Posted Mar 16, 2015, 7:37 PM
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Property taxes don't work like that, on the revenue neutral market assessment model we have in Alberta. To collect additional taxes due to a development, you have to raise taxes, and the people are against this, because it is just a tiny bit hard to explain how property taxes actually work in 10 seconds. When the CRL ends, everyone else's taxes in Edmonton will go down, and revenue stays the same, unless the city increases property taxes in proportion of the additional capital stock now contributing to general revenues.
It does raise the question of why municipal taxes are like that. Someone pays $105 in year one. In year two it is $100 with taxes neutral. In year two it is $107, but instead of it being articulated as less than a 2% increase, it is reported as being 7% up from the revenue neutral number. Everyone is then up in arms, but for no reason.

Certainly a comment for the "municipal politics" section, but mentioned here given the reality that new development does not increase municipal coffers in a revenue neutral system.

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You guyyyys! Edmonton will be different. Because of reasons.
(mumble mumble... something about Stantec and CRLs... mumble mumble...)
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2015, 9:15 PM
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U of A's specialist sports economist has studied this.

https://scholar.google.ca/citations?hl=en&user=_tU55R0AAAAJ&view_op=list_works&sortby=pubdate
  • New Sports Facilities and Residential Housing Markets, 2014
  • The impact of professional sports facilities on housing values: Evidence from census block group data, 2012
  • Do New Sports Facilities Revitalize Urban Neighborhoods? Evidence from Residential Mortgage Applications, 2012
I skimmed the last one of the list and read the conclusion. Sounds like he really didn't find much a direct impact with regards to mortgages.

" Our results cast some doubt on the ability of a new professional sports facility to spur urban redevelopment, at least as reflected in residential mortgage applications. However, an analysis of other indicators of urban redevelopment, notably in the form of new businesses openings or commercial real estate prices, might paint a different picture."
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A couple of interesting tidbits from the "Stadiums and Arenas" thread in the Canada section.

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Calgary Stampeders may ride Flames coattails to new stadium
Scott Mitchell, Calgary Sun Thursday, March 12, 2015

As of today, the Calgary Stampeders are the furthest thing from the envy of the Canadian Football League when it comes to stadiums.

While each and every franchise has either built a brand new venue or poured significant resources into renovations that reach far beyond cosmetic improvements over the past few years, football fans in Calgary have been left out in the cold, with the defending Grey Cup champions still calling a creaky, uncomfortable, 55-year-old McMahon Stadium home.

But there's hope on the horizon.

When Calgary Flames president and CEO Ken King teased new arena plans last week, saying an announcement regarding plans for a new downtown building were "a couple of weeks" from being unveiled, the stadium aspect was lost in the shuffle in this hockey-mad city.

Make no mistake, however, the Stampeders are tagging along, and when the plans shrouded in mystery are finally announced, the football club will play a major role.

The Hamilton Tiger-Cats (estimated cost of $146 million) and Winnipeg Blue Bombers (estimated cost of $209 million) have shiny new venues, while the Edmonton Eskimos, B.C. Lions, Ottawa RedBlacks and Montreal Alouettes have all poured huge dollars into refurbishing their respective stadiums.

The Saskatchewan Roughriders also have a new stadium on the way, which is currently slated to open in 2017 at an estimated cost of $278 million.

That leaves the Toronto Argonauts -- who wants to be mentioned in the same stadium conversation as that franchise right now? -- and the Stampeders as the only two organizations with iffy stadium situations, albeit for two much different reasons.

From a strictly football point of view, McMahon is perfectly capable of holding games well into the future, with new $1.35-million Field Turf laid down last spring.

But first downs and touchdowns are just part of the entertainment in this day and age, and McMahon lags in just about every aspect other than the view from your seat.

From a fan experience and comfort standpoint, despite dollars allocated to improve the in-game show last season with a new scoreboard and much-needed upgrades to amenities such as washrooms, concessions and cellphone reception, the University of Calgary-owned building pales in comparison to the raised bar around the league.

Former CFL commissioner Mark Cohon was pretty clear Calgary was next on the stadium to-do list when he visited McMahon in September 2013.

"This is still a great place, in terms of the environment, but as you see other venues and other stadiums being built, there's probably a little bit of jealousy that's going on with fans here," Cohon said.

"I don't have a timeline for what the ownership group wants to do here, but obviously, whether it's a retro-fit of this or a new stadium in part of their future plans, it is something we'd love to see."

King didn't offer much in the way of details last week in speaking with Calgary Sun columnist Michael Platt, other than the appetizer "people will love it."

Rumours have swirled over the new arena/stadium development anchoring a west-end makeover, while some prefer to believe it's bound for the the east end of downtown near the existing Saddledome.

Mayor Naheed Nenshi and city council are expected to get a look-see at the Flames' plans in the near future, but there are still more questions than answers, at this point, with funding models -- as always -- the key to everything.

Either way, football fans in this city now have something to look forward to.

If the arena is the main course, the stadium portion of the announcement is an extremely tasty side dish."
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This from Green Party at riderfans.com

Spoke with someone who has seen the plans and both stadiums are going to be extremely impressive. I believe it will be a 2018 opening for the Stamps (so I am not sure if it will be 17-18 season for the Flames or 18-19 - I think it was 17-18). Flames new home will be a new standard for the NHL and will be able to accommodate some of the larger music acts that usually pass Calgary by . Stampeders will have a greatly increased capacity and will be comfortable at all times of year. Calgary will be a regular Grey Cup stop in the future. This will be an extremely exciting announcement!

And there is also this from Scott Mitchell of the Calgary Sun

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A couple of interesting tidbits from the "Stadiums and Arenas" thread in the Canada section.
Not sure these rumours are any more trustworthy than all the other rumours, but commenting on unsubstantiated rumour seems to be an OK way to pass the time while waiting for real information. So I have to say that I'm surprised with the "greatly increased capacity" bit, since there seems to be a sweet spot for size which McMahon isn't far off of. "Regular Grey Cup stop" would seem to imply some sort of climate control, be it a dome or retractable roof.
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Yeah - all we can do is speculate on rumours at this point.
Sure hope the unveiling is soon.
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I cant wait to see the plans you guys have. Exciting.

Hope its not a Gong show like it was up here for years.
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I cant wait to see the plans you guys have. Exciting.

Hope its not a Gong show like it was up here for years.
I'm expecting something utilitarian and big. Nothing beautiful like your guys' arena but obviously a lot bigger. Beyond that I have no idea what to expect . Just hoping it's not Stampitecture or a sheet metal barn.
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I cant wait to see the plans you guys have. Exciting.

Hope its not a Gong show like it was up here for years.
I hope the press conference is just Daryl Katz saying he'll personally pay for it "because I just hate Edmonton like, so much".
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I am loving all of these little tid-bits. But I am also intrigued by how secretive the process has been. Exciting days ahead for sure!!
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2015, 8:26 PM
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Within how many weeks were we supposed to hear about this?

I'm starting to think this will get announced at the post Calgary Stanley Cup Win press conference (whenever that happens).
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Within how many weeks were we supposed to hear about this?

I'm starting to think this will get announced at the post Calgary Stanley Cup Win press conference (whenever that happens).
Weeks!?!!?

This has been an ongoing saga for YEARS
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2015, 9:56 PM
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I believe King's comment was by the end of the month. That was early March, though I guess he didn't mention which month, or year for that matter.
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Weeks!?!!?

This has been an ongoing saga for YEARS
No kidding. I'll be shocked the day we actually see something.
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I am hoping that something comes of this sooner rather than later!
I am dying to see what all of the hype is about.

In other somewhat related news, Minnesota was awarded a MLS franchise for the 2018 season. If we ever hope to have an MLS team we need to start at the grassroots level. At this point Edmonton has a far superior chance as getting a team before we ever do.
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/20...-united-today-lowdown-soccer-twin-cities
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If we ever hope to have an MLS team we need to start at the grassroots level. At this point Edmonton has a far superior chance as getting a team before we ever do.
Most definitely. However, Foothill S.C. look to be on the right track with their Youth setup and new PDL franchise.
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http://uslpdl.com/home/850180.html

Definitely a move in the right direction and they are looking to have a women's team in the W League for the 2016 season. Home field will be Hellard Field. I just hate to see soccer played on a field with Football lines. Why not use one of the grass fields at Shouldice? Like field 8 (it's the one you see from 16th Ave) as it was recently re-done.

By the looks of the teams they are playing, most games will be played on field-turf on football fields ( I wonder if the is a PDL requirement? Field turf that is). Some games will even be played on high school fields.

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With the few tidbits of information that King has released time and again, and with the media reporting on it each and every time, whatever he has up his sleeve, had better be worth the wait and anticipation. Anything less will be a huge letdown.
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With the few tidbits of information that King has released time and again, and with the media reporting on it each and every time, whatever he has up his sleeve, had better be worth the wait and anticipation. Anything less will be a huge letdown.
Has King really said anything other than a new home for the Flames and something for the Stamps is being worked on and that details will be released soon?

I think most of the bits have come from other sources of which most I would not trust.
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Flames CEO Ken King says the team will reveal by the end of the month where they plan to build the arena and how they’ll pay for it. They’ve been working on the plans since at least 2007.
http://calgaryherald.com/storyline/no-th...ot-a-real-replacement-for-the-saddledome

That gives him until, tomorrow?
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End of which month?
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