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Old Posted Mar 15, 2015, 6:14 AM
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So its pretty much official. OHL`s Belleville bulls to Hamilton (to be renamed bulldogs) AHL Bulldogs off to St johns NFLD to be renamed the IceCaps. The current Ice caps are coming back to Winnipeg to play out of MTS Centre and to be renamed (insert guess below). PLOT TWIST! The move to Newfoundland will be....wait for it....you guessed it! temporary! Nfld is giving true north the boot to gain one more year with AHL hockey but, The Canadiens will most definitely move the team to laval when 10,000 seat Place Bell is finished in 2017.

So my friends! With the thunder bay deal moving extremely slowly and looking to be dead in the water lets pretend True north doesn't want The moosecaps playing out of MTSC as a long term solution. what are we left with? I can remember a long time ago TNSE wanted to build a 5000 seat arena at the red river ex grounds. That would be long term Winnipeg plan.

OR do I dare bring up the possibility of moving into Saskatoon. Bring the blades to Winnipeg and the AHL to sasktel Centre? Lets face it both Stoon and Regina are AHL cities. They have AHL populations and AHL buildings. Edmonton is losing OKC why not take them to Regina? Or the other way around! True north can take the pats to WPG and build their new shiny arena complex close to new mosiac and in the meantime play out of highly capable and recently renovated Brandt Centre. Oilers move the barons to AHL ready sasktel centre, blades move to Fort mac who has a decent arena now and is building a 7000 seat arena that IMO is designed for the WHL. 3 cities gain the highest level of hockey available to them, Instant stoon/regina oilers/jets rivalry. TNSE get what they were going for in Thunder bay with the added bonus of being in a city with 2x the population and a hell of alot more household income and around the same flight time. Plus they gain their WHL team that they have wanted for quite some time. This seems so natural to me. I understand that The 2 cities have a long history with the WHL bla bla bla. things change and every good thing comes to an end. In this case its being replaced with better things. It's not gonna hurt the WHL because your gaining WPG and Mcmurry. Another Alberta team and another Manitoba team. It will be great for the wheat kings and Oil kings! As for the AHL your probably thinking travel distance. How many teams are being relocated to California as we speak? The travel isnt as big of a deal as more AHL teams are moving west. This makes as much sence as MLSE buying the argos in my opinion.

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Old Posted Mar 15, 2015, 8:38 AM
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Meh, there are already WHL rivalries in Saskatchewan, and the Pats are the oldest junior hockey team/franchise in the world... That's not something to discard so willy-nilly. I don't think people here would care all that much if an AHL team was brought in; the AHL is basically a complete non-entity here. If you asked the average person to name a handful of teams (or even one), I doubt they could. I think this was brought up before as well...

Saskatoon maybe, but even then, I don't know if you'd have the reaction you seem to be expecting.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2015, 10:02 AM
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Looks like St.John's will be left with no professional hockey team in two years when the IceCaps leave (again). I don't see what would be their other option other than bring back a QJMHL team.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2015, 10:41 AM
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Well I was watching the Vancouver game last night and it was in Chicago and I was looking at the stadium there and it looked like 🞵🞵🞵🞵, so I can't wait to see Toronto's stadium hopefully its better. BMO Field is still under construction and the season just started I hope that they can finish it in time, unlikely, otherwise it'll be under construction during the season. I thought that stadium was supposed to be finished before the season started and now we're not going to see it completed by that time so it'll be kind of like a situation that they had in Hamilton, with THF, where they were working on the stadium at the same time they were playing in the stadium.

Next year's renovation is the big time anyway, adding the canopy roof really looking forward to that.

Congrats to the Whitecaps FC with the win last night

I also watched the Game in London (Crystal Palace) yesterday morning Premier League team with a big joke of a stadium. When we start building stadiums like they have in Manchester, and Liverpool we'll know we are in the big time. BMO Field after the renovation will look like a poor man's Anfield.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2015, 3:19 PM
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Meh, there are already WHL rivalries in Saskatchewan, and the Pats are the oldest junior hockey team/franchise in the world... That's not something to discard so willy-nilly. I don't think people here would care all that much if an AHL team was brought in; the AHL is basically a complete non-entity here. If you asked the average person to name a handful of teams (or even one), I doubt they could. I think this was brought up before as well...

Saskatoon maybe, but even then, I don't know if you'd have the reaction you seem to be expecting.
Yeah, the WHL teams are very established in Sask. The AHL simply doesn't resonate as well on the prairies... even though the AHL is clearly a better level of hockey than the WHL (most guys in the dub wouldn't get a sniff from AHL teams), the reality is that the AHL just isn't a widely known or recognized brand around here... even when the Moose were in Winnipeg as the best possible alternative to the NHL, there were still many people who would have preferred a WHL team which is far more regionally relevant.

I doubt fans in Regina would want to throw away a century of Pats tradition for a disposable AHL team, most of which tend to come and go with alarming frequency. Asking Regina fans to give up the Pats for an AHL team would be about as fruitful as asking North Carolina basketball fans to give up the Tar Heels in favour of a NBA D-League team because it's "pro"... good luck with that. Maaaaybe this could fly in Saskatoon, but even there it would be unlikely.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2015, 9:40 PM
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I guess you're right. Although you could keep the branding of the pats,logos,history ect. and just upgrade the team from WHL to AHL. Everything would remain the same but the league they play in. Just a thought. Hell even Moose jaw would be a better AHL city than some of the cities that host a current team. Mosiac place is basically the right size and if the AHL could draw another 500 people than the warriors do they would sell out the building and have better attendance then the heat or barrons. Jets,Oilers,Flames could all have they're affiliates in Saskatchewan. Saskatoon Should be looking into this IMO. call them the Saskatchewan Whatevers paint em in green and get one step closer to an NHL team.
     
     
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BMO Field Expansion (Video) - March 14, 2015

The final piece of the East Grandstand was installed on Thursday as development continues during Phase 1 of the BMO Field expansion.
     
     
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Calgary Stampeders may ride Flames coattails to new stadium
Scott Mitchell, Calgary Sun Thursday, March 12, 2015

As of today, the Calgary Stampeders are the furthest thing from the envy of the Canadian Football League when it comes to stadiums.

While each and every franchise has either built a brand new venue or poured significant resources into renovations that reach far beyond cosmetic improvements over the past few years, football fans in Calgary have been left out in the cold, with the defending Grey Cup champions still calling a creaky, uncomfortable, 55-year-old McMahon Stadium home.

But there's hope on the horizon.

When Calgary Flames president and CEO Ken King teased new arena plans last week, saying an announcement regarding plans for a new downtown building were "a couple of weeks" from being unveiled, the stadium aspect was lost in the shuffle in this hockey-mad city.

Make no mistake, however, the Stampeders are tagging along, and when the plans shrouded in mystery are finally announced, the football club will play a major role.

The Hamilton Tiger-Cats (estimated cost of $146 million) and Winnipeg Blue Bombers (estimated cost of $209 million) have shiny new venues, while the Edmonton Eskimos, B.C. Lions, Ottawa RedBlacks and Montreal Alouettes have all poured huge dollars into refurbishing their respective stadiums.

The Saskatchewan Roughriders also have a new stadium on the way, which is currently slated to open in 2017 at an estimated cost of $278 million.

That leaves the Toronto Argonauts -- who wants to be mentioned in the same stadium conversation as that franchise right now? -- and the Stampeders as the only two organizations with iffy stadium situations, albeit for two much different reasons.

From a strictly football point of view, McMahon is perfectly capable of holding games well into the future, with new $1.35-million Field Turf laid down last spring.

But first downs and touchdowns are just part of the entertainment in this day and age, and McMahon lags in just about every aspect other than the view from your seat.

From a fan experience and comfort standpoint, despite dollars allocated to improve the in-game show last season with a new scoreboard and much-needed upgrades to amenities such as washrooms, concessions and cellphone reception, the University of Calgary-owned building pales in comparison to the raised bar around the league.

Former CFL commissioner Mark Cohon was pretty clear Calgary was next on the stadium to-do list when he visited McMahon in September 2013.

"This is still a great place, in terms of the environment, but as you see other venues and other stadiums being built, there's probably a little bit of jealousy that's going on with fans here," Cohon said.

"I don't have a timeline for what the ownership group wants to do here, but obviously, whether it's a retro-fit of this or a new stadium in part of their future plans, it is something we'd love to see."

King didn't offer much in the way of details last week in speaking with Calgary Sun columnist Michael Platt, other than the appetizer "people will love it."

Rumours have swirled over the new arena/stadium development anchoring a west-end makeover, while some prefer to believe it's bound for the the east end of downtown near the existing Saddledome.

Mayor Naheed Nenshi and city council are expected to get a look-see at the Flames' plans in the near future, but there are still more questions than answers, at this point, with funding models -- as always -- the key to everything.

Either way, football fans in this city now have something to look forward to.

If the arena is the main course, the stadium portion of the announcement is an extremely tasty side dish."
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2015, 3:20 AM
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I guess you're right. Although you could keep the branding of the pats,logos,history ect. and just upgrade the team from WHL to AHL. Everything would remain the same but the league they play in. Just a thought. Hell even Moose jaw would be a better AHL city than some of the cities that host a current team. Mosiac place is basically the right size and if the AHL could draw another 500 people than the warriors do they would sell out the building and have better attendance then the heat or barrons. Jets,Oilers,Flames could all have they're affiliates in Saskatchewan. Saskatoon Should be looking into this IMO. call them the Saskatchewan Whatevers paint em in green and get one step closer to an NHL team.
There's no indication that having an AHL team will lead to having an NHL team in the future. Oklahoma City, Quebec City, and Hamilton all say hello, to name a few.

AHL and WHL hockey are very different and attract different audiences. The WHL (and CHL as a whole) is local hockey epitomized...towns like Prince George, Shawinigan, Val-d'Or, Bathurst, Belleville...take away their hockey teams and what are they left with? Similar things could be said for some AHL locations (Rochester, Hershey, et. al.) but those are fair more ingrained than many other AHL franchises. The QMJHL, although technically a lower-level of hockey, is IMO more exciting and more entertaining for local fans than the AHL was in many of the former AHL locations in the Maritimes (Saint John, Moncton, Cape Breton, etc...). You can see local kids, kids fighting for draft, and guys who will (eventually) end up playing pro/CIS in the future. It's great hockey overall and places in the West are absolutely right to prefer the WHL over the AHL.
     
     
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This from Green Party at riderfans.com

Spoke with someone who has seen the plans and both stadiums are going to be extremely impressive. I believe it will be a 2018 opening for the Stamps (so I am not sure if it will be 17-18 season for the Flames or 18-19 - I think it was 17-18). Flames new home will be a new standard for the NHL and will be able to accommodate some of the larger music acts that usually pass Calgary by . Stampeders will have a greatly increased capacity and will be comfortable at all times of year. Calgary will be a regular Grey Cup stop in the future. This will be an extremely exciting announcement!

And there is also this from Scott Mitchell of the Calgary Sun
     
     
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Spoke with someone who has seen the plans and both stadiums are going to be extremely impressive. I believe it will be a 2018 opening for the Stamps (so I am not sure if it will be 17-18 season for the Flames or 18-19 - I think it was 17-18). Flames new home will be a new standard for the NHL and will be able to accommodate some of the larger music acts that usually pass Calgary by . Stampeders will have a greatly increased capacity and will be comfortable at all times of year. Calgary will be a regular Grey Cup stop in the future. This will be an extremely exciting announcement!

And there is also this from Scott Mitchell of the Calgary Sun
A reliable source with "friends" within the Flames organisation told me on the weekend that we're getting a new hockey arena which is going to "blow everything in the league away" and also a domed 27'000 seat football stadium in the west village.
     
     
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A reliable source with "friends" within the Flames organisation told me on the weekend that we're getting a new hockey arena which is going to "blow everything in the league away" and also a domed 27'000 seat football stadium in the west village.
I guess if any city in the NHL has the ambition, swagger and wherewithal to build a rink to blow everyone else's away, it's Calgary. However, a 27,000 seat football stadium would be a little underwhelming and certainly doesn't mesh with the Herald article that speaks to a greatly increased capacity.

Considering how much Calgary has grown since McMahon was built and initially expanded, it would be a bit of a disappointment if the new stadium was built with fewer permanent seats than McMahon. I'd expect 35,000 seats expandable to 40,000 as a minimum.

That being said, I'm excited to see what the Flames/Stamps ownership group has cooked up.
     
     
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I guess if any city in the NHL has the ambition, swagger and wherewithal to build a rink to blow everyone else's away, it's Calgary. However, a 27,000 seat football stadium would be a little underwhelming and certainly doesn't mesh with the Herald article that speaks to a greatly increased capacity.

Considering how much Calgary has grown since McMahon was built and initially expanded, it would be a bit of a disappointment if the new stadium was built with fewer permanent seats than McMahon. I'd expect 35,000 seats expandable to 40,000 as a minimum.

That being said, I'm excited to see what the Flames/Stamps ownership group has cooked up.
A 27,000 seat domed stadium may actually be wise if they jack up ticket prices. Having a comfortable all-weather stadium like that would be a big upgrade regardless of more limited seating.
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I also watched the Game in London (Crystal Palace) yesterday morning Premier League team with a big joke of a stadium. When we start building stadiums like they have in Manchester, and Liverpool we'll know we are in the big time. BMO Field after the renovation will look like a poor man's Anfield.
Not really comparable, most of those grounds are over a hundred years old and just retrofitted every few decades.
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I can't see the domed stadium seating only 27 000. It would compete too much for events with the hockey arena which will probably seat 20 000. Why build 2 similar indoor structures. Only difference being size of event space.
     
     
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I can't see the domed stadium seating only 27 000. It would compete too much for events with the hockey arena which will probably seat 20 000. Why build 2 similar indoor structures. Only difference being size of event space.
Yeah, it just seems weird that they'd go big on the stadium with respect to making it domed, only to cheap out on the amount of seats. In a city as big as Calgary there will inevitably a need for a large venue to host major events such as big stadium concerts, international sports events, things beyond just Stamps games.

A natural size of stadium for a city's Calgary's size would be closer to 40,000 seats, I would think. I mean, Regina's building at 33,000 for heaven's sake.
     
     
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I can't see the domed stadium seating only 27 000. It would compete too much for events with the hockey arena which will probably seat 20 000. Why build 2 similar indoor structures. Only difference being size of event space.
Could an NHL team and CFL team share the same stadium? Pull back the turf to reveal ice-capable surface and just add the glass siding and temporary seating to make it work? Would the game schedules clash too much in the winter?
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Could an NHL team and CFL team share the same stadium? Pull back the turf to reveal ice-capable surface and just add the glass siding and temporary seating to make it work? Would the game schedules clash too much in the winter?
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