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Old Posted Dec 15, 2014, 8:06 PM
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If they opened that to the public, and ran this contest every month, it would raise quite the chunk of change. Perhaps there's too much liability issues for opening it to the public, though.
Something else that would raise some coin: selling fossiliferous tunnel spoil.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2014, 8:07 PM
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That's just nuts... why would anyone who has spent any amount of time here in the winter not look for a way to enclose them. The O-train is already horrific to wait for in the winter.
Winter, I can deal with. It's Ottawa's SUMMERS that need to be planned for, and where the Transitway was such a craptacular failure. (Greenhouses? Really?)

If you are cold, you can put more clothes on. There's only so much you can legally take off.
     
     
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Not possible because the line needs to shut down to allow for cleaning and maintenance work. Almost all cities in the world with subways have to do this. New York is an exception, but that's because their subways have 4 tracks, which allow for overnight maintenance to be done on 2 tracks at time, leaving at least 2 open at all times.

Oh Ok didn't know this. Pardon my ignorance but what is involved in this cleaning and maintenance?
     
     
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Oh Ok didn't know this. Pardon my ignorance but what is involved in this cleaning and maintenance?
Like any form of infrastructure, train stations, track, signalling, power systems and supports (bridges, tunnels) requires upkeep. Track must be tamped, ties and track replaced over time. Catenary needs upkeep. Signalling is a constant source of faults that must be fixed proactively. In tunnels, dirt and debris can build up, creating a hazardous environment. By the time the system is fully shut down and crews can get to work, there is only a few hours before they need to leave to allow morning trains to enter the track once again.

Rather than looking at the nightly LRT closure as a negative, it should be looked at as an opportunity to develop a more integrated night bus network across the city.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2014, 5:56 AM
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Copenhagen has a 24 hour metro with 20 minute frequency overnight (and more frequent Fri/Sat late night). They run on a single track overnight (at least on week days) and there are also extra delays from 01:00-01:25 and 04:15-04:45 for maintenance.
     
     
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So Copenhagen gets around the problem with frequencies low enough that some work can be done while the line is running? We could probably reduce the line to a single track with certain stations used as passing sidings (like what the O-Train does at Carleton), and still run at 15-20 minute frequency... but:

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Rather than looking at the nightly LRT closure as a negative, it should be looked at as an opportunity to develop a more integrated night bus network across the city.
Yep, agreed. Toronto has done exactly this, they have a special bus network called the "Blue Night Network" that provide a 'skeleton' of service along major routes in the grid with mostly half-hour frequencies that starts up as soon as the subway shuts down at around 1:30 and lasts until it starts up again around 6 (9 on Sundays). Almost all residents of the 416 are within a half hour walk of one of these routes.


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A large reason why RTG won the bid was their station design. I'm confident they will be local landmarks while maintaining within the financial ceiling established by the public administration.
(also the fact they have experience building a P3 transit line in Canada [Canada Line in VO], and all partners are represented in every stage of the project.) EDIT: and the fact the rolling stock would be assembled in Ottawa.

Editx2 & expansion:
The team for station designs is lead by Ottawa's own BBB Architects- who have designed the new Ottawa Convention Centre, the Ottawa airport expansion and a number of other architecturally substantial design. Their partners include Adamson Associates & IBI Group.

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Read BBB's own guiding logic behind their station designs.
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Is there any word on whether Trillium line stations will receive the same redevelopment as Confederation Line stations?
     
     
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Is there any word on whether Trillium line stations will receive the same redevelopment as Confederation Line stations?
Not till it is upgraded to & integrated with the confederation line specs- which is not in the current TMP. The expansion of the otrain and the confederation line "east, west and south." are higher priorities as we approach a period of financial constraints on the city. (after phase 2)

I am curious how the Trillium Line - once it is upgraded to Confed specs- will be accessed and serviced by the MSF by the Train Yards.
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That's quite an interesting read... thanks!
     
     
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Not till it is upgraded to & integrated with the confederation line specs- which is not in the current TMP. The expansion of the otrain and the confederation line "east, west and south." are higher priorities as we approach a period of financial constraints on the city. (after phase 2)

I am curious how the Trillium Line - once it is upgraded to Confed specs- will be accessed and serviced by the MSF by the Train Yards.
The 2008 TMP proposed a second rail yard near Bowesville Road in the south end for the N-S line.
     
     
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Preston Street extension to help pave way for LRT construction

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Published on: December 16, 2014, Last Updated: December 16, 2014 3:45 PM EST


Starting Sunday, Preston Street will be extended from Albert Street to the Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway as part of an alternative route as Booth Street is closed during to the Confederation Line LRT project.

Also during the LRT construction, the LeBreton Transitway station will move from Booth to the new Preston intersection.

The Preston Street extension will provide an alternate route to connect to the Chaudière Bridge.

A multi-use pathway on the extension will offer cyclists and pedestrians a connection between the Albert Street multi-use pathway and the Ottawa River Pathway/Trans Canada Trail.

The Transitway will remain open through the LRT construction work. Full details about routes affected by this change are available at octranspo.com .

Access to the Canadian War Museum will not be affected. Visitors are encouraged to visit the Museum website to determine their best route.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...on-to-help-pave-way-for-lrt-construction
     
     
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Construction Update
Week of December 14


Paving occurs on the Preston Street detour


Preston Street Detour / Booth Street Closure

Construction nears completion along the Preston Street detour with asphalt paving, and curb and sidewalk construction.

Waterproofing installation in the Lyon Station cavern


Lyon Station

Lyon Station cavern support continues with rebar and waterproofing installation. Jawbreaker is continuing to mine in drifts.

Parliament Station

Parliament Station cavern tunnel support continues and includes backfilling, pouring and construction of a lower level support wall.

Rideau Station cavern excavation


Rideau Station

Crocodlie Roughe continues to excavate within the Rideau Station cavern. Tunnel reinforcement is ongoing with shotcrete and rockbolt installation.

Ongoing Scotiabank building demolition on Rideau Street


Rideau Station

Preliminary works continue with abatement of the existing Scotiabank building in advance of building demolition scheduled to begin in early January 2015.

Concrete box in place at the VIA Rail tracks


Belfast Yard Administration and Maintenance Building

Ongoing long-term closure of Belfast Road, south of Tremblay Road to Trainyards Drive and north of Tremblay Road to Coventry Road. Masonry work, cladding and panel installation for the building envelope, glazing and roofing on the shed continue. Construction of the internal components and pouring of mud slabs are ongoing.

Belfast Yard Connector

Works on the Belfast Yard connector, which will allow vehicles to travel to and from the Light Rail Transit track to Belfast Yard, are ongoing. The removal of the temporary steel bridge under the VIA Rail tracks was completed.

Pouring of concrete caissons north of the existing Hurdman Station


Hurdman Station

Elevated guideway work for the future Hurdman Station is ongoing until early 2015 with caisson drilling and concrete curing north of the existing Hurdman Station.

Paving near the Coventry Pedestrian Footbridge


Highway 417

Drilling median foundations, installing electrical and light poles, and sewer works continue from Cyrville Road to Nicholas Street. Paving works conclude this week until spring at St. Laurent Boulevard and Lemieux Street, and Vanier Parkway.

Girder installation at Hurdman Bridge


Hurdman Bridge

Girder installation, part of the reconstruction of the bridge’s median span, continues and will be ongoing during the winter months. The east and west multiuse pathways are scheduled to remain open until the end of the year.

Demolition of removed Vanier Parkway overpass


Vanier Parkway Overpass

Demolition of the old Vanier Parkway overpass is almost complete at the staging area. Final works on the overpass wrap up for winter.

Electrical works continue on the Coventry Pedestrian Footbridge


Coventry Pedestrian Footbridge

Installation of railings, electrical works and concrete pours on the stairs continue on the north and south sides until the end of the year. General site cleanup is ongoing in anticipation of substantial completion of the footbridge by end of January 2015.

Sidewalk paving between Preston and Rochester streets


Albert Street Works

Complete sidewalk reinstatement on south side of Albert Street between Preston and Broad streets. Please note: Work at Booth Street north scheduled to begin January 6, 2015.

Upcoming Construction Activities

In the coming weeks, the following construction activities will advance:
  • Preston Street detour to open on December 21, 2014 and works to begin on Booth Street. The detour will allow transit, commuters, pedestrians and cyclists to use Preston Street during the Booth Street closure and construction of the Combined Sewer and Storage Tunnel (CSST), the Booth Street Bridge and Pimisi Station.
  • Demolition of the Scotiabank building at William and Rideau streets will begin in early January.
  • Girder installation at Hurdman Bridge will continue through January/early February.
  • Coventry Pedestrian Footbridge works continue.

http://www.confederationline.ca/en/construction/construction-update-4/
     
     
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Why does this website never, ever, ever work?
     
     
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Why does this website never, ever, ever work?
I've never had it not work...
     
     
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Why does this website never, ever, ever work?
Do you obtain an error message? What browser are you using and what version? Also, are you accessing it from work or from home? If from work, are you accessing it via a proxy?
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2014, 5:23 PM
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I'm impressed with the progress! Lyon station is coming along great. I love to see how the used the tunnel jacking method under the via tracks for the maintenance yard access tunnel. The SOB Scotiabank is nearing full demolition. Awesome!
     
     
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Concrete box in place at the VIA Rail tracks
We should just get these guys to do the exact same thing at the Fallowfield station crossing!
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 19, 2014, 3:08 AM
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We should just get these guys to do the exact same thing at the Fallowfield station crossing!
The Fallowfield crossings will likely require the roads to rise over the railway with the railway remaining on its current grade. Neither can be depressed due to soil conditions and the water table.

As for the timetable the rest of the way, here is what I am thinking now. The thinking is to time all changes to booking periods (i.e. starting April, June, September and December).

* Close Transitway east of Hurdman and move affected routes: June 21, 2015 (start of Summer 2015 schedule)
* Close Transitway from Hurdman to downtown and realign those routes: December 20, 2015 (start of Winter 2015-16 schedule)
* Close Transitway east of Tunney's Pasture, move to Albert/Scott: December 20, 2015 (start of Winter 2015-16 schedule)
* Reopen Booth Street (no impact on service): Spring or summer 2016
* Open central LRT (Mackenzie King to LeBreton) for testing: Spring or summer 2017
* Open entire line for testing: Early fall 2017
* Open for revenue service: December 24, 2017 (start of Winter 2017-18 schedule)
     
     
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Hmm... December 24th. Busiest non-commuter travel day of the year, might be a little hectic to have the switchover happen then. Though, that's also very much a low point for suburban commuter traffic, which make the switchover easier.
     
     
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