YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Gordon]

Air France that's great.
When does phase 2 of The Pier A\b connector open?

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Welcome to YVR AIR FRANCE!!!
Another exotic international airline for YVR!!!

Awesome news... Lets hope Qantas becomes year-round! And that another foreign carrier adds YVR in 2015

[Kapten]

The former Aviation World store on Russ Baker reopened todat under new ownership. They are called Flight City and they have a nice selection of airline models etc.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Awesome news... Lets hope Qantas becomes year-round! And that another foreign carrier adds YVR in 2015

Yes!! While YVR may not be a massive airline hub like YYZ, for a city of our size, we do have a lot of airlines here. And, yes, Qantas come back!! It would be like regaining an old friend, who left long ago, only to return to a warm welcome.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yes!! While YVR may not be a massive airline hub like YYZ, for a city of our size, we do have a lot of airlines here. And, yes, Qantas come back!! It would be like regaining an old friend, who left long ago, only to return to a warm welcome.

Yes, I am pretty confident QF will become "seasonally" year-round, if that makes any sense. The word here is most likely YVR will see Qantas through the YVR summer months and the peak winter months.

Something like June - September and December - February. So operating 6-7 months of the year.

Be good to get AF and LH to MUC year-round instead of summer seasonal but Western Canada - Europe is a tough market in the winter.

Airlines offering year-round international (overseas) YVR flights:

Air Canada, Air China, Air New Zealand, Air Transat, All Nippon Airways, British Airways, Cathay Pacific, China Airlines, China Eastern, China Southern, Eva Air, Japan Air Lines, KLM, Korean Air, Lufthansa, Philippine Airlines, Sichuan Airlines

Airlines offering seasonal international (overseas) YVR flights:

Air Canada rouge, Air France, Condor, Edelweiss, Icelandair and Qantas ---> plus Air Transat really ramps up European services in the summer and LH does MUC of course.

[cyeg66]

Now let's get on those GIG, SCL, EZE, LIM, BOG, and GRU flights!!! Lol, just bustin' your ballz, trofirhen. Congrats on CDG and AF, YVR! "Vive le Vancouvaire libre"!

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

......Airlines offering year-round international (overseas) YVR flights:

Air Canada, Air China, Air New Zealand, Air Transat (LGW goes year-round), All Nippon Airways, British Airways, Cathay Pacific, China Airlines, China Eastern, China Southern, Eva Air, Japan Air Lines, KLM, Korean Air, Lufthansa, Philippine Airlines, Sichuan Airlines

Airlines offering seasonal international (oversease) YVR flights:

Air Canada rouge, Air France, Condor, Edelweiss, Icelandair and Qantas ---> plus Air Transat really ramps up European services in the summer and LH does MUC of course.

ooops!! AF is still going to be seasonal only with nothing in winter. I initially thought it would be year-round after next year. Oh well, off to a good start, anyway!

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

ooops!! AF is still going to be seasonal only with nothing in winter. I initially thought it would be year-round after next year. Oh well, off to a good start, anyway!

Excellent news. Perhaps trofirhen campaign helped. It is reasonable to expect Air France to start small and hopefully over time it will grow to year round.

From a personal perspective I like Frankfort and Munich as transit airports. Paris is not as good but still better than Heathrow. Excellent addition. I have been averaging a trip destined to Paris about once a year for business. I will make a point of using this flight, hopefully they have a codeshare lined up with WestJet from Victoria to provide some connections. Last time it was on Alaska and Delta through Seattle.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by casper

Excellent news. Perhaps trofirhen campaign helped. It is reasonable to expect Air France to start small and hopefully over time it will grow to year round.

That is what I was thinking, too. At least, in summer, we'll get CDG nonstop 5 times per week, instead of once, as with other charter airlines. I'm hoping that AF is "testing the waters" and that it'll develop into a year-round service. There is plenty of demand in winter, I can tell you, but you have to go in a roundabout way, changing planes, often with long layovers.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by casper

Excellent news. Perhaps trofirhen campaign helped. It is reasonable to expect Air France to start small and hopefully over time it will grow to year round.

From a personal perspective I like Frankfort and Munich as transit airports. Paris is not as good but still better than Heathrow. Excellent addition. I have been averaging a trip destined to Paris about once a year for business. I will make a point of using this flight, hopefully they have a codeshare lined up with WestJet from Victoria to provide some connections. Last time it was on Alaska and Delta through Seattle.

It's funny how personal preferences can vary -- whenever possible I try to avoid CDG and FRA as transit points. Paris has been a mess every time I've gone through it, and Frankfurt is seriously one of the least intuitively-designed airports I've seen. Plus if you're unlucky enough to have landed at a remote gate, the bus ride to the terminal can be ridiculously long.

With T5 and the new T2, transiting Heathrow is now actually pretty painless (but all bets are off if there's snow). Agree Munich is good.

[Genauso]

AF & KLM home hub connections to YVR, I did not expect that. Bravo to the YVR crew

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

That is what I was thinking, too. At least, in summer, we'll get CDG nonstop 5 times per week, instead of once, as with other charter airlines. I'm hoping that AF is "testing the waters" and that it'll develop into a year-round service. There is plenty of demand in winter, I can tell you, but you have to go in a roundabout way, changing planes, often with long layovers.

Actually... YVR will have 8 direct flights per week to CDG next summer... 7 nonstop and 1 via YYC. 5 on AF and 3 on TS (one of these is via YYC).

That would be the ultimate goal getting year-round service. I would think LH to MUC would be another candidate for year-round service but definitely not daily.

There are still a few rumblings about rouge too to CDG and another destination in Asia (most likely another Japan route). There is still slack in the YVR-KIX route as well. 2 days of idle metal on that 763. The other 763 to be based in YVR will rotate daily through LAX and both Hawaii destinations in the peak summer next year as previously reported.

Also have been reading on the ever reliable airliners.net that KLM is going to daily year-round YVR-AMS in effect with next summer's scheds. This is coming from the same guy who brought up the AF rumour... so there we go.

Europe breakdown of the 69 weekly flights by destination next summer (all nonstop unless noted):

LHR 19
FRA 11
AMS 10 (1 weekly via YYC)
CDG 8 (1 weekly via YYC)
MUC 7
LGW 6
ZRH 3
MAN 2
KEF 2
GLA 1

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Actually... YVR will have 8 direct flights per week to CDG next summer... 7 nonstop and 1 via YYC. 5 on AF and 3 on TS (one of these is via YYC).

That would be the ultimate goal getting year-round service. I would think LH to MUC would be another candidate for year-round service but definitely not daily.

There are still a few rumblings about rouge too to CDG and another destination in Asia (most likely another Japan route). There is still slack in the YVR-KIX route as well. 2 days of idle metal on that 763. The other 763 to be based in YVR will rotate daily through LAX and both Hawaii destinations in the peak summer next year as previously reported.

Also have been reading on the ever reliable airliners.net that KLM is going to daily year-round YVR-AMS in effect with next summer's scheds. This is coming from the same guy who brought up the AF rumour... so there we go.

Europe breakdown of the 69 weekly flights by destination next summer (all nonstop unless noted):

LHR 19
FRA 11
AMS 10 (1 weekly via YYC)
CDG 8 (1 weekly via YYC)
MUC 7
LGW 6
ZRH 3
MAN 2
KEF 2
GLA 1

I noticed that YVR lists SAS to Copenhagen (CPH) under destinations ... wishful thinking or previous route that has been dropped

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

I noticed that YVR lists SAS to Copenhagen (CPH) under destinations ... wishful thinking or previous route that has been dropped

SAS never did fly from YVR to CPH. It flew from SEA-TAC to CPH for years (due to Seattle's very large Scandinavian population base), then dropped SEA-TAC.
(Maybe that's why Icelandair is year-round from Seattle; to take up the large Scandinavia-bound traffic from there).

[excel]

Great news about Air France. I am a big tail watcher. Especially when taxiing right behind them

[vanlaw]

YVR has announced set taxi fares based on a zone system starting tomorrow (November 6):

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Maps/2014_11_03_FINAL_YVR_Zone_Rates_Map_VERTICAL.sflb.ashx

For the most part it seems reasonable, but some of the jumps from zone to zone are a little much. For instance, I live a block north of Kingsway in East Van. If I get dropped off on the south side of Kingsway and walk a block, it's $29 (taxi from YVR to my place usually comes in around $32-34). If I get dropped off north of Kingsway, it jumps to $41! I think I'll walk the block and save $12.

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by excel

I am a big tail watcher.

me too

[Valley_Refugee]

Originally Posted by vanlaw

YVR has announced set taxi fares based on a zone system starting tomorrow (November 6):

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Maps/2014_11_03_FINAL_YVR_Zone_Rates_Map_VERTICAL.sflb.ashx

For the most part it seems reasonable, but some of the jumps from zone to zone are a little much. For instance, I live a block north of Kingsway in East Van. If I get dropped off on the south side of Kingsway and walk a block, it's $29 (taxi from YVR to my place usually comes in around $32-34). If I get dropped off north of Kingsway, it jumps to $41! I think I'll walk the block and save $12.

Fare zones at last! I agree the zone jumps are a bit wonky when it comes to the Northeast. Either the Northeast should be $36-38 or there should be a buffer zone. I'll also have to be careful though as I live on the north side of Hastings in Gastown...looks like getting dropped off south of Hastings will save me $5...

[Johnny Aussie]

2013 keeps getting blown away! Exceeded my expectations. Some very big numbers.

Note: YVR does not include any FBO numbers in its pax counts.

http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/rpt_Traffic_Update_Sep_2014.sflb.ashx

SEPT 2014
Overall up 8.8% to 1,681,291 (up 135.5K)
Domestic up 9.6% to 893,325 (up 78.5K)
Transborder up 10.2% to 383,330 (up 35.4K)
Asia Pacific up 7.0% to 236,110 (up 15.5K)
Europe up 5.3% to 152,888 (up 7.6K)
Misc Int'l down 9.8% to 15,638 (down 1.7K)
Total Int'l (incl transborder) up 7.8% to 787,966 (up 56.9K)

YTD 2014
Overall up 8.2% to 14.9M (up 1.1M)
Domestic up 7.4% to 7.7M (up 527K)
Transborder up 9.0% to 3.7M (up 302K)
Asia Pacific up 12.0% to 2.2M (up 236K)
Europe up 5.8% to 1.1M (up 57K)
Misc Int'l 1.5% to 313K (up 4.5K)
Total Int'l (incl transborder) up 9.0% to 7.2M (up 599K)

Cargo was up 12.8% in September as well (11.5% YTD)

[craneSpotter]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Just saw that on Twitter.

Not surprised in the least. Something had to give.

Let's see what the next move is.. perhaps that's it. Will see if this gets carried into the summer. To think they were going to be adding capacity this winter to a complete reversal.

Even with that pullout the YVR-LAX market will still see more capacity than last winter.

Imagine AS used to fly about 13 daily mainline ex YVR.... and then there was 1!

And on another note I am abandoning Aeroplan. Anyone else?

I gave up on Aeroplan last year.

Hmmm:

Air Canada rouge Expands Vancouver – Los Angeles Service in S15

Air Canada rouge in Summer 2015 expands Vancouver – Los Angeles operation, as it continues Boeing 767-300ER service on/after 01MAY15. In addition, the airline restores 4th daily from 01MAY15, followed by the addition of 5th daily flight from 01JUL15 to 03SEP15 (AC1983/1982).

AC1983 YVR0620 – 0923LAX 319 D
AC1878 YVR0845 – 1138LAX 763 D
AC1880 YVR1300 – 1600LAX 319 D
AC1882 YVR1610 – 1912LAX 319 D
AC1884 YVR2030 – 2332LAX 319 D

AC1879 LAX0700 – 0944YVR 319 D
AC1982 LAX1005 – 1249YVR 319 D
AC1881 LAX1300 – 1544YVR 763 D
AC1883 LAX1640 – 1924YVR 319 D
AC1885 LAX1955 – 2239YVR 319 D

http://airlineroute.net/2014/11/06/zx-yvrlax-s15/