Calgary International Airport II

[Cage]

Originally Posted by suburbia

Curious how most airlines choose either cargo or passenger. Why can't more be blended. I've taken the Toronto Calgary red-eye a couple times, and it barely has passengers, but is an important flight for AC cargo I believe. Wondering why there is not more of such blended service.

Cargo does not pay the bills on any AC flight. Cargo is always an add on to passenger service.

WRT red-eye flights, these are extremely profitable for AC for the following reasons:
(1) Connection to Eastern Canada, Eastern USA, Carribean, South America flights is very easy with red eye aircraft. For example if you are flying YYC-DCA the last morning flights that is acceptable leaves at 11am. Otherwise one is taking the red eye.
(2) Repositioning aircraft back to YYZ base. If there were no red eye flights, aircraft would congregate on the Western half of the continent, requiring surplus capacity in the morning or forgoing later east bound transcon. The crux of the problem is YYZ and YUL night time curfew means the last east bound transcon is 6:15pm local. However flights continue to arrive well into the night. This creates the aircraft back log in Western Canada.

Originally Posted by suburbia

So you're saying the USA sending in cruise missiles from a navy ship, taking out a commercial airliner and the 290 people on board on a registered flightpath and in foreign airspace, ascending from a commercial airport and issuing proper internationally recognizable identification signals, was "rational"???

Don't believe I said that, nope. Lemme check my post again.

Nope... didn't say that.

[Full Mountain]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Man portable missiles can't hit something that high. For an operational surface to air missile you you are talking about 5 vehicles minimum, stocked with million dollar missiles. Terrible oversight if the system's IFF system was turned off or ignored.

Ummm, BUK Missile System sounds like the seperatists got a hold of one when they overran the Ukrainians.

[tuffyy]

Originally Posted by Full Mountain

Ummm, BUK Missile System sounds like the seperatists got a hold of one when they overran the Ukrainians.

I'd be curious how they learned to use it. Someone obviously knew how to work the system but obviously not Identify aircraft.

Apparently it is capable of Identifying aircraft.

But now the excuses start with everything from ''plane full of spies''.

Its a sad occurrence, and pretty much has no excuse.

[Full Mountain]

Originally Posted by tuffyy

I'd be curious how they learned to use it. Someone obviously knew how to work the system but obviously not Identify aircraft.

Apparently it is capable of Identifying aircraft.

But now the excuses start with everything from ''plane full of spies''.

Its a sad occurrence, and pretty much has no excuse.

Truly is sad for those on board and their families, hopefully a complete and transparent investigation is allowed and those at fault can be brought to justice.

New runway is NOTAM closed till tomorrow (and 8/26 till August), but what happened to 11/29? They're down to one runway in pretty light wind.

[thegx]

Looks like WestJet will not be bringing back Miami this winter. Loreto will be added, once a week...

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by thegx

Looks like WestJet will not be bringing back Miami this winter. Loreto will be added, once a week...

Now how can I party in the city where the heat is on using a non-stop?

I had to look up Loreto, had never heard of it before. Is it like the next Cabo?

[tuffyy]

Pretty small expansion this winter compared to past. Indicates a high current fleet utilization with a small exception by Encore.

WestJet in Winter 2014/15 continues to introduce a number of routes, including service operated by WestJet Encore. Planned new service as follow.
WestJet Mainline New Routes:
eff 01NOV14 Winnipeg – Ft. Lauderdale 1 weekly (service operates until 25APR15)
WS1346 YWG0730 – 1240FLL 736 6
WS1347 FLL1330 – 1716YWG 736 6
eff 14FEB15 Calgary – Loreto 1 weekly (service operates until 30MAY15)
WS2252 YYC0900 – 1255LTO 73W 6
WS2253 LTO1350 – 1756YYC 73W 6
WestJet Encore to begin operating following routes, along with or replace Mainline flight:
eff 26OCT14 Calgary – Prince George 1 daily (replace Mainline)
eff 01NOV14 Toronto – Montreal 2 flights on Saturdays
eff 15JAN15 Calgary – Comox 2 of 3 daily (Overall increase from 2 to 3 daily)
eff 15MAR15 Toronto – Ottawa 1 of 9 daily
Previously reported new routes:
eff 26OCT14 Calgary – Penticton 1 daily WestJet Encore Dash8-Q400 service
eff 26OCT14 Toronto – Phoenix 1 daily WestJet 737-700 service
eff 15FEB15 Edmonton – Kamloops 1 daily WestJet Encore Dash8-Q400 service
Previously reported new WestJet Encore Dash8-Q400 operation, replacing Mainline service:
eff 15MAR15 Toronto – Quebec City 2 daily (Overall 14 weekly Encore and 1 weekly Mainline)

Courtesy; Airline Route

[Full Mountain]

And we keep pandering to the idiots

Originally Posted by CBC

City lawyers to probe powers to curb new runway noise at airport
The city’s legal department is going to look into whether the municipal government has the power to do anything about increased noise associated with the new airport runway.

[Source CBC News]

Does the city actually have any power in this situation?

[Bigtime]

No, not really. Kudos to Nick for helping educate some of the YYC media on twitter today about this too.

[Full Mountain]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

No, not really. Kudos to Nick for helping educate some of the YYC media on twitter today about this too.

What's Nick's handle?

[The Chemist]

Originally Posted by holhm22

Hong Kong is NOT mainland China. That is a very sensitive issue.

It is and it isn't. The overall political authority is the same as the rest of mainland China, but its political system is quite autonomous. Hence the term "One Country, Two Systems" that the Chinese government uses to describe the relationship between HK and the rest of China.

[cyeg66]

The noise footprint is substantially smaller with parallel runways than with crossing runways. And still this. Akin to morning noise procedures put in place for a couple props that would depart before 7 am, implemented only because essentially one person with very deep pockets and powerful allies (politicians) didn't like the sound they made. Poof! Out of the blue, noise procedures imposed (dictated to us, really)....FOR TURBOPROPS, FFS!!! I have the feeling this will be way above our heads and we'll have something detrimental to our ops come from the very top down, thus rendering our job more difficult at times. Fokkin' whiners...

You see that with YVR, when they first built the parallel, they promised surrounding neighborhoods they would exercise a lot of restraint when using it in order to keep them happy. Now that they need it increasingly more, neighbours are getting a little more upset and they're trying to impose more restrictions.

[MalcolmTucker]

Since the flight pattern change I notice a fair amount more traffic over Sarcee Trail, though that would likely be easier to mitigate than on final. Piss off the acreages over future Stoney - yes please! Planes aren't nearly as low, but the ground elevation is higher.

[Policy Wonk]

Originally Posted by Full Mountain

And we keep pandering to the idiots

[Source CBC News]

Does the city actually have any power in this situation?

The official position of YYC is:

"As aviation is federally regulated, municipal noise by-laws are not applicable to aviation activity."

However that isn't to say the city doesn't have leverage and like anyone else can lobby the federal government. Transport Canada has imposed limits on overnight activity at Pearson for instance. The Canadian Transportation Agency effectively shutdown Alyth Yards acting on complaints from Inglewood residents.

Federal jurisdiction isn't a vacuum, and unfortunately the federal regulators are increasingly receptive of whiners on all fronts. Had Calgary not surrendered McCall Field to Ottawa we would have ended up with our own YEG or YMX fiasco and people would be complaining about driving to Irricana.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Full Mountain

And we keep pandering to the idiots

[Source CBC News]

Does the city actually have any power in this situation?

The airport authority board is majority elected by Calgary Chamber of Commerce, which is unique among Canadian airports. Calgary council of the early 90s did not want to fund the airport so the CoC took up the charge.

In most Canadian cities the council lends weight through election of the board. In YEG case just short of majority is from Edmonton but then surrounding areas have 11/13 (iirc) seats. YVR is majority of the GVRD.

A full evaluation of the cities desire for noise abatement has to conducted in light of other airport files. Namely desire by the city to get out from under the requirement to build interchanges on airport trail. If the city wants 96 ave extension, they better be prepared to sing from the CAA song list.

Beyond that, WS is expanding in all markets ( turboprop, mainline, wide body), one whiff that WS would go to other markets due to noise concerns will quieten the runway noise debate. If people don't like the big planes, they will be in the minority when WS widebody comes to town with flights to Europe, Hawaii, etc.

Taking a look at economic factors, bluntly this city is so pro business there is little chance of noise curfew getting in the way. Example, let's say AC's Craig Landry ( VP marketing) comes to YYC bearing 12:45am departure to PEK. It's off peak but the numbers work with 788 equipment. Rundle Ray and Chabot would be first in line for ear plugs.

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Since the flight pattern change I notice a fair amount more traffic over Sarcee Trail, though that would likely be easier to mitigate than on final. Piss off the acreages over future Stoney - yes please! Planes aren't nearly as low, but the ground elevation is higher.

Yeah that could be mitigated by longer downwinds or a longer time on the initial heading before getting turned on course, which is irritating and sucks for cyeg and the guys. But there's no way to fix the guys on final, really... a 3 degree glideslope is a 3 degree glideslope and anything steeper unnecessarily jeopardizes safety as far as I'm concerned. I talked to some guys at YYC and they said people were wanting 17L departures eliminated entirely.

Ever departed out of EWR? You do a 30 degree turn almost immediately, fly about a mile and a half, then a 30 degree turn back to pretty much runway heading. I wonder if we see something like that just to bend guys around the neighbourhoods bitching the most. Not sure that'd work with parallel departures... hopefully none of this BS forces land one runway, depart the other type of operation.

[MalcolmTucker]

I wonder what noise complaints are like in Harvest Hills, as it is a similar distance from the flight path. Though having two flight paths before to only one, it was probably an improvement.

[cyeg66]

You bought a home within 6 miles of an airport, a busy one at that, you're gonna hear noise!!! [sorry, inside voice making its way out] The fact councillors don't just reach down, find some 'nads, and tell complainants to pi$$ off is beyond me.