Lansdowne Park Redevelopment Phase 1 | Completed

[alecz_dad]

Seems a little soon for the triumphalists to call this a success.

Yes, OSMUG, LarryOB and the other various money men were VERY successful in picking the City's pockets to tart up the old stadium for the benefit of private sports businesses (that apparently cannot survive without generous corporate welfare) and gave away prime public lands for $1 a year.

But we'll have to see how much propping up the team and the mall need, once the initial bloom is off the rose, the Whatsits slog through several losing seasons and fans start dropping off like flies, and suburban folks decide that driving all the way into the parking-less Glebe to shop at stores they can find elsewhere in their suburban hellholes ain't worth the trouble.

Stay tuned.

Originally Posted by JFFournier

The opponents of this deal will never admit they were wrong, no matter what happens. Or they'll take credit for it by claiming that their methods kept the city honest, yet continue to complain that the city never listened to them, no matter how contradictory those positions are.

[alecz_dad]

Gee, I didn't realize the Glebe needed revitalizing. I guess those record-high property values must be signs of a neighbourhood in drastic decline.

As to your last questions, the answers are "yes" and "YES!" You pinpointed the basis of my concerns precisely.

Simply because Lansdowne is in the bag of the bagmen, does not mean that the ill-feelings of the neighbours will simply evaporate. It will take more than running through a giant, inflatable football helmet to do that.

Originally Posted by Ecriptic

Just curious -will you eat your words if this revitalizes the glebe and surrounding areas? I mean, everybody eats food right ...and many of us watch movies and wear clothes... and from what i gather i understand you live within walking distance and have a place to park near by.

So I guess Im kind of confused... is it all the construction that has been so upsetting for you, or is it your feeling that this was a project created through lies and deception that has you reeling?

[cjones2451]

[QUOTE=alecz_dad;6647933]Gee, I didn't realize the Glebe needed revitalizing. I guess those record-high property values must be signs of a neighbourhood in drastic decline.

Yes, this looked MUCH better

[EdFromOttawa]

Originally Posted by alecz_dad

Gee, I didn't realize the Glebe needed revitalizing. I guess those record-high property values must be signs of a neighbourhood in drastic decline.

As to your last questions, the answers are "yes" and "YES!" You pinpointed the basis of my concerns precisely.

Simply because Lansdowne is in the bag of the bagmen, does not mean that the ill-feelings of the neighbours will simply evaporate. It will take more than running through a giant, inflatable football helmet to do that.

It did. Big time. One of the lamest, most wasted areas of town until OSEG came along and made it into an actual destination worth travelling to.

[Ecriptic]

Originally Posted by alecz_dad

Gee, I didn't realize the Glebe needed revitalizing. I guess those record-high property values must be signs of a neighbourhood in drastic decline.

As to your last questions, the answers are "yes" and "YES!" You pinpointed the basis of my concerns precisely.

Simply because Lansdowne is in the bag of the bagmen, does not mean that the ill-feelings of the neighbours will simply evaporate. It will take more than running through a giant, inflatable football helmet to do that.

Well, my lil' hot fudge sunday.. its my guess your beef is with the government and not the good folks at oseg and minto or the business owners, investors, staff, patrons or condo purchasers or anyone else who is directly or indirectly involved with the sale of this piece of property. It's privately controlled land now!

All, you all; had the same right to put up millions of dollars and present a better alternative if you wanted to but you didn't, so you failed. Now suck it up, you live in a neighborhood with other people, get used to it or move along.



Attitude is aptitude.

[waterloowarrior]

here is the first SSP thread on Lansdowne revitalization from January 2008... 6.5 years and 7000+ posts later (over multiple locked threads).... the first part of the revitalization is complete!
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=144756

[JFFournier]

Originally Posted by alecz_dad

Seems a little soon for the triumphalists to call this a success.

Yes, OSMUG, LarryOB and the other various money men were VERY successful in picking the City's pockets to tart up the old stadium for the benefit of private sports businesses (that apparently cannot survive without generous corporate welfare) and gave away prime public lands for $1 a year.

But we'll have to see how much propping up the team and the mall need, once the initial bloom is off the rose, the Whatsits slog through several losing seasons and fans start dropping off like flies, and suburban folks decide that driving all the way into the parking-less Glebe to shop at stores they can find elsewhere in their suburban hellholes ain't worth the trouble.

Stay tuned.

You've basically proven my point.

While by no means should it be labelled a success this early, there's nothing to indicate that it is headed towards that disaster that many opponents predicted. Except that instead of acknowledging that just MAYBE they might have been wrong, they just push back the bar. "Let's check in again in three years" at which point if it is still successful, we'll be asked to wait another couple of years for this or that to happen.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by JFFournier

Except that instead of acknowledging that just MAYBE they might have been wrong, they just push back the bar. "Let's check in again in three years" at which point if it is still successful, we'll be asked to wait another couple of years for this or that to happen.

Unless they manage to stop Milestone's from getting a liquor license (for no discernible reason). Then the whole thing is sunk.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by alecz_dad

Seems a little soon for the triumphalists to call this a success.

Yes, OSMUG, LarryOB and the other various money men were VERY successful in picking the City's pockets to tart up the old stadium for the benefit of private sports businesses (that apparently cannot survive without generous corporate welfare) and gave away prime public lands for $1 a year.

So when confronted with an actual response to the ridiculous liquor license issue that you raised yourself, you seek refuge in the same old propaganda that wasn't convincing five years ago. How is this repetitiveness helpful to anyone? I thought you claimed to be interested in actual discussion?

You're still swinging wildly without the slightest bit of substance behind your posts. Don't you find it a bit ironic that you are being out-debated by the lowbrow football crowd you keep slagging?

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

Lame...

Seriously lame. But par for the course in Ottawa.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by alecz_dad

Simply because Lansdowne is in the bag of the bagmen, does not mean that the ill-feelings of the neighbours will simply evaporate. It will take more than running through a giant, inflatable football helmet to do that.

The Glebe isn't happy unless it has something to feel ill about.

[JFFournier]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

The Glebe isn't happy unless it has something to feel ill about.

Specifically, it's either "concerned" or "shocked".

The Glebe Community Association is concerned that cars driven by stadium patrons attending football games and other events will spill into the residential areas and parking for Glebe businesses will also be limited. To alleviate this concern, the association's transportation committee chairman Brian Mitchell has reached out for support from the Glebe business improvement area to define commercial parking in the Glebe.

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http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-story/4613510-glebe-residents-reject-fire-station-pathway/

A proposed multi-use pathway alongside the Glebe fire station drew criticism at a meeting where residents got a look at plans for a cycling network for the neighbourhood.

...

Megan Dewar, a parent who lives on that block of O'Connor, was also concerned. She said she'd prefer to see a bi-directional bike lane on the street, which would turn the corner and continue to a bidirectional lane proposed for Holmwood Avenue, which is also a one-way street. Parking would have to be moved to the opposite side of the street, Dewar said.

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The city is getting a trio of new patios, including one in the Glebe that concerned residents spoke out against to the transportation committee, saying they were afraid of traffic, noise and a possible rise in drinking and driving.

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Capital Coun. David Chernushenko said he was “shocked” by the news (of Winners coming to Lansdowne).

And so on and so forth.

[jimmyjones]

Originally Posted by alecz_dad

Gee, I didn't realize the Glebe needed revitalizing. I guess those record-high property values must be signs of a neighbourhood in drastic decline..

Well if record high house prices mean a neighborhood doesn't need revitalizing, looks like nowhere in Canada needs revitalizing!

Your tears about this whole thing sustain my interest in this thread.

[umbria27]

Originally Posted by EdFromOttawa

It did. Big time. One of the lamest, most wasted areas of town until OSEG came along and made it into an actual destination worth travelling to.

Ok, this is just silly. We don't need the lame hyperbole that has marked this debate. The Glebe didn't need "revitalizing". It was for decades one of the most desirable neighborhoods in the city. It has and had a very strong community and social scene and a vibrant main street. Whether people want to travel to it is not a measure of a neighborhood's vitality. 99% of Ottawa's neighborhoods would fail this measure. Even so, Bank street through the Glebe is filled with suburban weekend walkers.

Don't devalue terms like this. There are neighborhoods that do need revitalization - Vanier, LeBreton Flats, Bank Street North of the Queensway or South of Riverside, etc.

[JFFournier]

Originally Posted by umbria27

Ok, this is just silly. We don't need the lame hyperbole that has marked this debate. The Glebe didn't need "revitalizing". It was for decades one of the most desirable neighborhoods in the city. It has and had a very strong community and social scene and a vibrant main street. Whether people want to travel to it is not a measure of a neighborhood's vitality. 99% of Ottawa's neighborhoods would fail this measure. Even so, Bank street through the Glebe is filled with suburban weekend walkers.

Don't devalue terms like this. There are neighborhoods that do need revitalization - Vanier, LeBreton Flats, Bank Street North of the Queensway or South of Riverside, etc.

I think he was being specific to Lansdowne Park.

[Radster]

Well, I enjoyed visiting the stadium I must say.

-Bike parking was a breeze, similar to the way it works at Bluesfest.
-The stadium feels fresh throughout, even in the North Stands and Civic centre concourses.
-Checked out my seats, love the sightlines and seat comfort is good, with beer cup holders, nice!
-I did see a few broken seats already though, hopefully this is not a sign of cheap quality.
-The veil up close is nice to look at, makes for interesting pictures from various angles. But the prior comment remains, it offers ZERO protection from the elements, and to me, thats a fail. I prefer protection from elements (stadium roof) over something nice to look at. Here's hoping that they can incorporate some kind of light fabric/mesh into this veil down the road to make it more functional.
-I like how the lower level concessions on the South side are field-side, so you can watch the game (without looking at the tv) while you wait in line for food or drink.
-Nice touch by OSEG to lower prices for beer and hot dogs during the open house
-Turf is reeeeeaaalllyyy nice, I have played soccer on all types of surfaces, but have never felt this type of turf
-Only negative, was being told to butt out my smoke while I was walking towards the stadium, near the cinema building, this of course was way BEFORE entering the stadium. Will all of Lansdowne be smoke free? wtf?

All in all, can't wait for the July 20th Fury home opener!

[Ecriptic]

Ah, yes, the Glebe needed revitalizing, it still does. In 1976 my parents purchased their house on Powell Avenue and were prodded by friends and family that they were moving into the slums....(Fair enough; things have changed.) When i grew up in this town, the Golden Triangle was something the unlucky student played in music class, Hintonburg was Mechanics Ville.... and so on. So we are all used to, by now, the sanctimonious whining and whimpering of our un-evolved knuckle dragging, government subservient counterpart/overlords, in the Glebe.

Anyone who thinks Ottawa doesn't need revitalizing should march down to city hall and find out why the LRT is being built, hwy expansions, bridges replaced.... and infrastructure everywhere is being tweaked, and let's not forget all those recent water-main-breaks (sink holes), oh and how many yrs have they been cleaning our Parliament buildings -and how long was it overdue??? -and dont forget that most people in this town are still sucking their chlorinated, fluoridated drinking water through lead pipes.... maybe this is where the malleable cud chewers and group thinkers have all derived their apathetic sentimentality from?

Booyakasha,

[Ecriptic]

Originally Posted by jimmyjones

Your tears about this whole thing sustain my interest in this thread.

[Ecriptic]

Infrastructure crisis in Canadian cities

Canadian cities say they need $123 billion to update roads, public transit, and water systems and another $100 billion for new projects to meet growing demands...

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV+Shows/The+National/Canada/ID/2420534666/

If you don't want to call it revitalisation, call it compensation for neglect....

[EdFromOttawa]

Originally Posted by Radster

Well, I enjoyed visiting the stadium I must say.

-Bike parking was a breeze, similar to the way it works at Bluesfest.
-The stadium feels fresh throughout, even in the North Stands and Civic centre concourses.
-Checked out my seats, love the sightlines and seat comfort is good, with beer cup holders, nice!
-I did see a few broken seats already though, hopefully this is not a sign of cheap quality.
-The veil up close is nice to look at, makes for interesting pictures from various angles. But the prior comment remains, it offers ZERO protection from the elements, and to me, thats a fail. I prefer protection from elements (stadium roof) over something nice to look at. Here's hoping that they can incorporate some kind of light fabric/mesh into this veil down the road to make it more functional.
-I like how the lower level concessions on the South side are field-side, so you can watch the game (without looking at the tv) while you wait in line for food or drink.
-Nice touch by OSEG to lower prices for beer and hot dogs during the open house
-Turf is reeeeeaaalllyyy nice, I have played soccer on all types of surfaces, but have never felt this type of turf
-Only negative, was being told to butt out my smoke while I was walking towards the stadium, near the cinema building, this of course was way BEFORE entering the stadium. Will all of Lansdowne be smoke free? wtf?

All in all, can't wait for the July 20th Fury home opener!

No offence meant towards your life style choice but I'm actually totally okay with this. It's a trend in more and more cities and in my opinion for the majority of visitors the pros definitely outweigh the cons (sorry).

Personally I don't like exiting buildings only to have a gigantic cloud of cigarette smoke blast me in the face.