Calgary International Airport II

I think YYZ wins on ASM so in some releases they have been calling it #1.

[tuffyy]

Originally Posted by lubicon

CUN would also qualify.

Yup,

But then again we have the sun, beaches, resorts, Mayan ruins and history…

And the ''party'' atmosphere in Cancun city itself.

We actually tout more International carriers than the Metropolis of MEX itself and higher International passenger numbers. In addition we continue to see a rapid increase in service by South American carriers (LAN, Copa, Aerolineas Argentinas and Avianca)

The number of scheduled airlines seeking service to CUN has increased dramatically in the last couple of years and we anticipate LH and KL to join our list of other European scheduled carriers (Aeroflot, Air France, British, Transaero and Virgin) in the next year or so.

YYC has exceeded YUL in domestic numbers purely, international numbers at YYC have a long way to go.

With YUL adding a few more international carriers this upcoming spring (Turkish and Copa) it will be interesting to see how the numbers add up in 2014/15. I suspect it will be relatively close for the next while.

YEG-HKG, wtf is this?
http://www.aircanada.com/en/flights/Edmonton-to-Hong-Kong.html

and YYC http://www.aircanada.com/en/flights/Calgary-to-Hong-Kong.html

and by non-stop they mean YYC/YEG-YVR-HKG, apparently.

[Coldrsx]

Originally Posted by Acey

YEG-HKG, wtf is this?
http://www.aircanada.com/en/flights/Edmonton-to-Hong-Kong.html

ah... through Vancouver

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Acey

YEG-HKG, wtf is this?
http://www.aircanada.com/en/flights/Edmonton-to-Hong-Kong.html

and YYC http://www.aircanada.com/en/flights/Calgary-to-Hong-Kong.html

and by non-stop they mean YYC/YEG-YVR-HKG, apparently.

There is nothing in the webpage touting nonstop service. The flights are considered direct by airline marketing terms.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Acey

I think YYZ wins on ASM so in some releases they have been calling it #1.

For WS airport stats:
- YYZ wins in number of departures.
- YVR wins in ASM because of the HI flights plus the transcons.
- YYC is second place in number of departures and 3rd place in ASMs.

Generally speaking this is the following order for airport importance:
- YYZ
- YYC
- YVR
- YEG
- LAS

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by lubicon

YYZ has the most followed by YYC. After that I'm not sure but would thing YVR and YEG would be a close 3/4.

Looking at it from frequency/capacity....

YYZ caught up to YYC overnight (slightly exceeded) when they launched YYZ-LGA. However, with the launch of Encore YYC has snuck ahead in terms of total frequencies - for now.

YEG was #3 until 2010, when YVR jumped ahead. Since then there has been growth at both bases. But what is more noticeable is a bit of a bigger shift from mainline to Encore at YEG compared to YVR. YVR's gains have been new routes (YKA, YMM, YXJ, YYJ, YXT) whilst YEG has been transferring more flying to Encore but with greater frequencies.

So for the summer scheds:

YVR will have 51 Mainline/12 Encore /63 Total
YEG will have 43 Mainline / 15 Encore / 58 total

[CTrainDude]

Originally Posted by Cage

There is nothing in the webpage touting nonstop service. The flights are considered direct by airline marketing terms.

It does say 'non-stop' on top of the picture. However, on the YEG page, it doesn't say non-stop, it just says 'flights'.

[Policy Wonk]

Originally Posted by Cage

There is nothing in the webpage touting nonstop service. The flights are considered direct by airline marketing terms.

There are some references to non-existent non-stop flights from YYC, YEG and YUL that have been on the AC website since at least 2010.

[PPAR]

Originally Posted by Cage

There is nothing in the webpage touting nonstop service. The flights are considered direct by airline marketing terms.

Reminds me of a flight I was on a few days ago from New Orleans to Houston. When we were taking off the pilot introduced the flight as "Houston with direct service on to Chicago". However, on landing in Houston, the attendants told everyone to get off the flight as they were changing equipment! Looks like 'direct' is a pretty mailable term.

[VIce]

Originally Posted by PPAR

Reminds me of a flight I was on a few days ago from New Orleans to Houston. When we were taking off the pilot introduced the flight as "Houston with direct service on to Chicago". However, on landing in Houston, the attendants told everyone to get off the flight as they were changing equipment! Looks like 'direct' is a pretty mailable term.

Direct! As in: "you are being directed towards your destination".

Originally Posted by Cage

There is nothing in the webpage touting nonstop service. The flights are considered direct by airline marketing terms.

"Air Canada offers non-stop flights between YYC and HKG" seems to imply non-stop to me. I understand the issue with "direct" versus "non-stop" and maybe the general public was beginning to as well... but not as long as AC continues to do this.

[Policy Wonk]

This has been there for years, look for yourself, it's nothing. Several people have shown me this over the years.

https://web.archive.org/web/200907302124...com/en/flights/Calgary-to-Hong-Kong.html

July 30th 2009:
Air Canada is the only carrier to offer non-stop service between Calgary and Hong Kong

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Policy Wonk

This has been there for years, look for yourself, it's nothing. Several people have shown me this over the years.

https://web.archive.org/web/200907302124...com/en/flights/Calgary-to-Hong-Kong.html

Yup, been like this for years.

I am surprised this has been raised on here only now. I had completely forgotten about it. This is definitely misleading and poor form by Air Canada. Perhaps somebody should notify them of this.

Of course it's things like this that result in all sorts of unfounded rumours.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by CTrainDude

It does say 'non-stop' on top of the picture. However, on the YEG page, it doesn't say non-stop, it just says 'flights'.

The screen image for YYC and YEG adverts were built (copy and paste) from YVR advert. The page was incorrect for all of 1/2 hour before being corrected.

This same mistake is made numerous times by retailers in their weekly or monthly flyers. Ever notice the signs at the entrance to Superstore advising of mistakes in this weeks flyer.

Originally Posted by PPAR

Reminds me of a flight I was on a few days ago from New Orleans to Houston. When we were taking off the pilot introduced the flight as "Houston with direct service on to Chicago". However, on landing in Houston, the attendants told everyone to get off the flight as they were changing equipment! Looks like 'direct' is a pretty mailable term.

The issue for the big three legacy airlines (AA, UA, DL) is they have run out of flight numbers. Everything from reservation systems to operations systems has a four character limit on the flight number. With all the codeshare services and regional flights the big three market greater than 10,000 flights per day. Localized flight numbers (e.g. mainline and express) are well above 7,000 flights per day.

To combat this problem UA has taken two strategies: (1) utilize the same flight number for both the outbound and inbound segments. (2) combine flight segments and introduce a line break at the hub (line breaks are instances where aircraft changes equipment at the connection point). The original purpose of the line break was to allow the airline to market services between domestic spoke city and international gateway. For example UA offering LGA-ORD-NRT with a line break on ORD-NRT to 747 from 737 on LGA-ORD.

[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

So for the summer scheds:

YVR will have 51 Mainline/12 Encore /63 Total
YEG will have 43 Mainline / 15 Encore / 58 total

Thanks, any idea how many departures from YYZ?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Canadian74

Thanks, any idea how many departures from YYZ?

Yes

Summer 2014 @ YYZ will be like this:

Mainline 662 / Encore 28 (YQT only) / Total 690 flights per week

Mainline broken down further:

Domestic 502 / Transborder 91 / International 69

So overall YYC has 710 flights per week, but only 570 is mainline, whereas Toronto is still almost all mainline.

Can certainly see why Westjet is finally opening a YYZ crew base..... and to a lesser extent YVR

[tuffyy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yes

Summer 2014 @ YYZ will be like this:

Mainline 662 / Encore 28 (YQT only) / Total 690 flights per week

Mainline broken down further:

Domestic 502 / Transborder 91 / International 69

So overall YYC has 710 flights per week, but only 570 is mainline, whereas Toronto is still almost all mainline.

Can certainly see why Westjet is finally opening a YYZ crew base..... and to a lesser extent YVR

Thanks for the breakdown!

Yes, it's baffled me they didn't open a YYZ crew base sooner considering the number of flights.

[thegx]

Originally Posted by YYCspotter

For anyone interested here is the break down of the WS announcement from yesterday.

Routes going year round:
YQR-LAS (2 weekly)
YXE-LAS (2 weekly)
YYJ-LAS (2 weekly)
YEG-PHX (3 weekly)
YVR-PSP (2 weekly)

Increased frequency:
YUL-CUN: increases from 2 to 3 weekly
YYZ-CUN: increases from 8 to 10 weekly
YYZ-FLL: increases from 7 to 8 weekly
YEG-LAS: increases from 10 to 14 weekly
YYC-LAS: increases from 14 to 20 weekly
YVR-LAX: increases from 14 to 19 weekly
YYZ-MBJ: increases from 10 to 11 weekly
YYZ-POP: increases from 2 to 3 weekly
YYZ-PUJ: increases from 4 to 5 weekly
YYZ-SNU: increases from 1 to 2 weekly
YYZ-VRA: increases from 3 to 4 weekly
YEG-YLW: increases from 28 to 35 weekly (WS, Encore mix)
YEG-YMM: increases from 15 to 21 weekly (WS, Encore mix)
YYC-YMM: increases from 13 to 19 weekly (WS, Encore mix)
YOW-YWG: increases from 7 to 14 weekly
YYC-YQR: increases from 28 to 35 weekly (WS, Encore mix)
YWG-YQT: increases from 7 to 14 weekly (Encore)
YYZ-YQT: increases from 14 to 28 weekly (Encore)
YVR-YXJ: increases from 7 to 14 weekly (Encore)
YYC-YYJ: increases from 28 to 35 weekly

Routes Going Seasonal:
YYZ-MIA

[cyeg66]

I'm excited to see what December stats look like. Of those that have reported, YEG and YVR had very good months of December. I expect YYC to have a great one as well, which significantly, means that 2013 will have been a fantastic year overall, despite challenges.

Highlights include: Feb was a very good month considering 2012 was a leap year.
June and July were no doubt hindered significantly by the floods.
Oh, and passed YUL in pax numbers. We'll see if we can hold on...

All this to say, YYC will weigh in at or just shy of 14.3 million for the year, and this *could've* actually been closer to 14.4M! Let's hope for a great 2014 (~5% growth) and bring on more airplanes! Parallel runway opening in June! Rouge landing out West. A bounty of 777's coming for the summer. Hopefully a PEK flight on the horizon, and/or maybe another (dogged rumor) Asian flight announcement. Hopefully WS year round to JFK. Perhaps Delta flying from SEA. IFP opening in 2015! Lots to look forward to...

Sigh, me, always the optimist...