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I'd give that route a 90-something number, and keep running it north of Hurdman up the Vanier Parkway (with some level of transit priority), frequent, regular service with a limited number of stops. But where to terminate it? It could carry on to Galleries de Hull or loop around to Rideau Centre (either way via St Patrick-KingEd) could be options. Or it could use St-Patrick/Murray, Alexandra and run to somewhere in old Hull... like my O-Train terminus at Taché-Terrasses!
This would be an interesting idea. Sorta combine routes 97 and 9 (with possibly a different routing/terminal downtown)
     
     
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If Montreal Rd has bus lanes, another alternative could be to turn east on Montreal and then down to Blair Station as an alternate cross-town route, connecting the Baseline corridor to the federal offices in Vanier, NRC, etc. and vice-versa.
     
     
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Jim Watson is a lot of things, but full of empty promises doesn't seem to be one of them, from my observation.
In the last election, he was telling suburban voters he was going to scrap the tunnel and build surface LRT to the burbs right away.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2013, 8:49 PM
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In the last election, he was telling suburban voters he was going to scrap the tunnel and build surface LRT to the burbs right away.
Early on, but by the time the actual campaign was on, he was backing the tunnel plan, and he explained why he changed his mind. That's pretty weak beer to call him on; but happy to proved wrong by more compelling examples.
     
     
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In the last election, he was telling suburban voters he was going to scrap the tunnel and build surface LRT to the burbs right away.
I remember him saying he was weary about the cost of the tunnel, but he never said he would straight out scrap the tunnel to run trains to the burbs. What he did to deal with possible cost overruns on the tunnel was move it under Queen Street, shortening the platforms and moving Rideau Station.

The only promise he broke, as far as I can remember, was the idea of implementing a borough system that would have eliminated a few councillors.
     
     
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Yes, Jim Watson never promised a downtown surface LRT solution or LRT to the suburbs.

He was agnostic or failed to come out with a definitive position on the tunnel until about September (that would be 2010), but he had expressed reservations about the cost of the tunnel in the preceding months.
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Jim Watson had originally been a supporter of the original project (the Chiarelli Plan) as being a financially prudent way to bring LRT to Ottawa. Once the reset button had been pushed, his support for the new plan was lukewarm at best. This is why the provincial government did not fund a full 1/3 of the project. When he became mayor, he did not commit to a specific position and soon realized that pressing the reset button again would not be a wise choice for Ottawans. It was the wise route to take no matter your opinion of current plan. More hesitation and indecision would have simply delayed LRT implementation unreasonably and had left the City of Ottawa falling way behind comparable cities in Canada.

We will all have different opinions about Jim Watson but he is clearly a very skilled politician and he is demonstrating an ability to get things done.

I had personal involvement with Jim Watson at a public event recently and I was impressed with his friendly style and good humour.
     
     
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Early on, but by the time the actual campaign was on, he was backing the tunnel plan, and he explained why he changed his mind. That's pretty weak beer to call him on; but happy to proved wrong by more compelling examples.
It was the third week of September before Mr. Dithers announced he was backing the tunnel plan; the campaign was well underway at that point.

If there's enough of an uprising from the suburbs about the THREE! BILLION! DOLLAR! TRANSIT! PLAN! in the next few months, I fully expect Mr. Dithers to come up with a new plan, or at least invent a new, less billiony price tag.
     
     
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The only promise he broke, as far as I can remember, was the idea of implementing a borough system that would have eliminated a few councillors.
And for once, I'll give Mayor Dithers his due: that was a dumb idea, and it deserved a dumb idea-death.
     
     
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I had personal involvement with Jim Watson at a public event recently and I was impressed with his friendly style and good humour.
Funny guy, friendly guy, totally. But a ditherer and a panderer to the suburbs, and man of the usual Ottawa muddling, middling, mediocre, lowest-common-denominator vision.
     
     
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Funny guy, friendly guy, totally. But a ditherer and a panderer to the suburbs, and man of the usual Ottawa muddling, middling, mediocre, lowest-common-denominator vision.
In Jim Watson's defense, he never claimed to be a visionary. His mandate since he first began campaigning was that he was going to get things back on track for Ottawa, get us on budget, and get council working again. He's done those things. He's a rare politician who has made promises and kept them.

Is he the mayor many of us want? No. However, he's the mayor Ottawa sorely needed at the time, and arguably still does.
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Funny guy, friendly guy, totally. But a ditherer and a panderer to the suburbs, and man of the usual Ottawa muddling, middling, mediocre, lowest-common-denominator vision.
So like I said, Watson is a lot of things, (and have at it, I'm no booster) but full of empty promises isn't among them, he puts on clinics of "under promise, over deliver"
     
     
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Back to the Confederation Line. Big political photo-op today. Fleury gets a ride from Haydon, Watson cries like a big baby, fourth graders get the chance to participate in naming the boring machines (why didn't we get a chance to participate in the naming of LeBreton station or the design of the trains, I don't know). Basically, RTG is ready to go underground!

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/10/11/live-new-phase-of-ottawa-lrt-project-begins
     
     
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LRT Tunnel: Boring beneath Bytown

There’s nothing yawn-inducing about the 135-tonne ‘roadheaders’ that will grind out an LRT tunnel beneath downtown Ottawa

By Robert Bostelaar, OTTAWA CITIZEN October 11, 2013 11:57 AM


OTTAWA — Boring machines? Not for Ottawa’s light-rail project.


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We’re talking, to be clear, about tunnel boring machines, aka TBMs or “moles.” TBMs are giant cylinders with spinning-disc faces that rip through substrate like monstrous meat slicers; one of the world’s largest, the 4,000-tonne “Big Becky,” just finished chewing out a 10-kilometre tunnel beneath Niagara Falls to supply more water to the Sir Adam Beck Generating Station.

Boring? You wouldn’t say so if you were in Big Becky’s path.

But the consortium building the LRT line considers TBMs too unwieldy for the 2.5-km Ottawa excavation that it describes as a “short tunnel.” (Relative to such undertakings as the Boston Big Dig, it IS at the lower end of the scale).

So in place of a Big or even Medium-Sized Becky, we get a smaller and more flexible, though still preposing, alternative.

Meet (or maybe hope you don’t) the MT720, a 135-tonne “tunnelling roadheader” produced by Swedish mining and engineering specialist Sandvik AB.

As long and tall as a semi-truck, the MT720 moves on tracks that could have been borrowed from an M1 Abrams battle tank. At its business end is a hydraulically stabilized boom wielding a pair of rotating drums, each bearing more studs than an ’80s punk band.

Formed of sintered carbide tungsten, the studs, or picks, are as hard as sapphire and able to grind through rock with uniaxial compressive strength (UCS) ratings exceeding 120 megapascals. In lay terms, that’s super hard stone. For the Ottawa project, the contractors expect to encounter nothing harder than 78 MPa, and that only in two limestone-and-shale bedrock formations that comprise 26 per cent of the tunnel route.

Debris produced by the cutting drums drops to an apron below and is carried by conveyor to the back of the machine, where it can be loaded in trucks for removal. Trailing behind the assembly is a hawser-thick, 1000-volt cable that carries electricity from a fixed source to the motors powering the grinders, the tracks, the conveyor. The MT720 won’t operate if it’s not plugged in.

Unlike an Abrams tank, Sandvik’s roadheader is designed to advance slowly and then retreat. This allows the tunnellers to immediately secure each short stretch of excavation by inserting bolts far into the walls and coating the newly exposed walls and ceiling with sprayed concrete, known as shotcrete.

To speed the process, the contractors are bringing in three MT720s — one for each end of the tunnel and a third to work from the middle. One has already arrived (in several shipping containers) from New York, where it was used in the $7.3-billion East Side Access project to build rail tunnels from Long Island and Queens to a new station 12 storeys below Manhattan’s Grand Central Terminal. A second MT720, also from the New York project, is expected about Oct. 25, and the third is en route from Austria and should reach Ottawa in mid-November.

Daily, each machine is expected to grind through 200 to 450 cubic metres of rock — just how much will depends on the abrasivity, compressive strength, number of joints and other qualities of the material encountered — while moving forward an average of three metres. So for the whole project, that’s nine metres a day.

The availability of the New York machines may well have been a factor in the decision to use roadheaders. Erik Eberhardt, a professor of geological engineering at the University of British Columbia, says two kilometres is generally viewed as the tunnel length at which TBMs, which dig faster than roadheaders, start to become a more attractive choice. But other considerations, including the type and variety of materials to be excavated and the cost of bringing in equipment, also come into play.

The builders point out that roadheaders can adjust to any excavation shape, a key benefit in an Ottawa project with three underground caverns, or future stations, along its relatively short length. Tunnel boring machines dig at one set diameter, so other equipment must be brought in for any design variation. And the cutting heads be can changed fairly quickly to suit different rock types — again not possible with TBMs.

The first phase of tunnel work is scheduled to start in the week of Oct. 21 with the driving of small-diameter pins called micropiles to support the entrances. The first roadhandler could begin mining as early as Oct. 31, and within months, all three MT720s should be burrowing below Bytown to create a quick, convenient light-rail route across downtown.

Short tunnel or not, who could call that boring?
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The Sandvik MT720 tunelling roadheader. Three MT720s will be used in Ottawa LRT tunnel project.






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Back to the Confederation Line. Big political photo-op today. Fleury gets a ride from Haydon, Watson cries like a big baby, fourth graders get the chance to participate in naming the boring machines (why didn't we get a chance to participate in the naming of LeBreton station or the design of the trains, I don't know). Basically, RTG is ready to go underground!
The last sentence being the most important part, by far!

Frankly, this hoary tunneling machine is terrifying...
     
     
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LRT tunnel construction to go around the clock, be barely noticeable outside, consortium promises

By David Reevely, Ottawa Citizen October 11, 2013


OTTAWA — Ottawans downtown can expect to feel a low rumble from deep underground as three tunnelling machines grind away at bedrock for the city’s light-rail tunnel, the men in charge of building it said Friday afternoon.

Other than that, most of the racket and disruption will be at the three “portals” for the excavation: the western entrance to the tunnel near Bronson and Albert, the eastern entrance near the University of Ottawa, and a central shaft at Queen and Kent. Those are where machinery and workers will go in and dust, muck and exhaust will come out.

Though tunnelling will initially be done 12 hours a day, Rideau Transit Group’s plan is to take it quickly to 24 hours a day once everyone on the job is comfortable with the specifics of the work. Even so, most of the waste from the tunnel-digging will come out on loaders in daylight hours, to minimize the annoyance to nearby residents from the trucks that will ferry it away.

The LRT-building consortium is still settling on what will happen to that waste, said technical director Roger Schmidt in a technical briefing on the tunnel construction at City Hall. “We’re assessing options as to what is to be done with that,” he said, from delivering it to people who might want it for fill to reusing the stone dust in the rail project elsewhere.

The rock under downtown Ottawa is unusually hard, roughly twice the strength of regular concrete, he said, which makes it excellent for tunnel-building. The consortium’s plan is to mine its way under the core in segments, sealing the walls with “shotcrete” (concrete blown at high speed through a hose) and reinforcing the ceiling with arrays of long pipes that’ll be driven nearly horizontally into shafts drilled overhead.

Ventilation will also be done through the portals and the middle shaft, through big tubes that’ll keep the air within fresh. They air they suck is to be filtered thoroughly before it’s exhausted. “All the equipment moves primarily electrically,” said project manager Dominique Quesnel. “Well, it moves around on diesel but does its work electrically.” That means there should be little in the way of fumes from burning fuel to exhaust, since the heavy equipment is only expected to move forward a few metres each day.

Digging the whole tunnel should take about two years if everything goes according to plan. It’ll be followed by work on the eastern section of the rail line (from Hurdman station to Blair Road), the central section (from the tunnel portal at the University of Ottawa to Hurdman) and then the western, from Tunney’s Pasture to LeBreton Flats.

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Re: suburbanites getting all the benefits - two of the largest suburbs - Kanata and Barrhaven, with about 175,000 people or more between them - still get nothing. (For money purposes, those are also in strongly Conservative ridings as well)
     
     
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Barrhaven's Transitway has been built over the last 10 years and it would be foolish to convert it now. They will only have to travel by bus a few km north to an underground station where they will then travel the majority of their trip by rail.

Kanata on the other hand, I don't understand why they were left out. It seems to me that the Kanata North Transitway, along with the Baseline Transitway (no clue why that's even being considered) should be dropped in favor of finally serving the Corel Centre. Not only would that be a HUGE benefit to the whole city (one train from Orleans to the Corel Centre, massive traffic relief for around 100 event nights), it would also throw a bone to Melnyk after him being snubbed by the City with the whole casino debate.
     
     
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The Barrhaven Transitway is new, modern, and fast. It doesn't need to be touched.
     
     
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