Canada's 50 Tallest Proposals - Page 406

caltrane74 · #**8101** Posted **Aug 28, 2013, 7:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ramako

164 metres is the cutoff. Koops' diagram was set to show only 20 projects per page.

Oh, Tricky guy!

isaidso · #**8102** Posted **Aug 28, 2013, 10:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by rbt

Can't wait until 2120 when Massey, now a century old tower with a 2+ century old entrance facade, gets absorbed into a super-structure.

More likely we'll demolish Massey Tower and re-create 2 walls so people will know what it used to look like. Or we'll just paint a mural of Massey on the side; why bother with actual preservation when you can just use some paint?

koops65 · #**8103** Posted **Aug 28, 2013, 10:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ramako

164 metres is the cutoff. Koops' diagram was set to show only 20 projects per page.

Oops... that's because I did the 11 - 30 diagram just before the 50 tallest proposals, here it is again at 25 buildings per page...
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=60729546

Ramako · #**8104** Posted **Aug 29, 2013, 6:24 PM**

The Icon has been approved at 197 metres: http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2013/te/bgrd/backgroundfile-60942.pdf

http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2012/12/global-house-be-globally-made-over-icon

Being at Dundas and University, this tower will fill in the skyline gap nicely between Aura and the Residences at RCMI. Too bad it's almost an exact replica of the Four Seasons.

Chadillaccc · #**8105** Posted **Aug 29, 2013, 6:27 PM**

This is the one that is currently an office building right? How do the logistics work for that? Adding 30 storeys on top of a 40 year old building... sounds sketchy! But also very cool if it works!

Ramako · #**8106** Posted **Aug 29, 2013, 6:30 PM**

460 Yonge (now Yonge & Grenville Condos) has been approved at 198 metres, being a decrease of 9 metres due to shadow impact on Alexander Parkette: http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2013/te/bgrd/backgroundfile-61111.pdf

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=6024765&postcount=11

Though slightly shortened this will fill in the skyline between Aura and the Yorkville cluster.

Chadillaccc · #**8107** Posted **Aug 29, 2013, 6:34 PM**

I know many disagree, but I liked the old design a lot more. Good to see another tall condo going ahead though.

Ramako · #**8108** Posted **Aug 29, 2013, 6:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

I know many disagree, but I liked the old design a lot more. Good to see another tall condo going ahead though.

I didn't. It was a rip-off of One Bloor by a vastly inferior architectural firm (same firm as Aura). Looked like a gastrointestinal tract.

caltrane74 · #**8109** Posted **Aug 29, 2013, 6:38 PM**

197 and 198 meters.... oh man the teasing is worst than stripper at the House of Lancaster...

Ramako · #**8110** Posted **Aug 29, 2013, 6:39 PM**

Casa III is proposed at 203 metres to mechanical penthouse: http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2013/te/bgrd/backgroundfile-60654.pdf

http://www.insidercondos.com/Casa-3-Condos

caltrane74 · #**8111** Posted **Aug 29, 2013, 7:15 PM**

Ok, We lost, 1, gained one. (200 meter towers) - It's almost like we're standing still.

Glad to see (Casa 3) it doing well in pre-sales. It might actually get underway before Grenville (460 Yonge), which is surprising, since it's relatively new on the scene.

isaidso · #**8112** Posted **Aug 29, 2013, 8:29 PM**

^^ Wasn't CASA 3 always going to be over 200m? CASA is closer to Yorkville and on a side street so is a more desirable location so I'm not surprised its selling well. I wish they'd stop tinkering with 460 Yonge. It's good the way it is. First a height reduction, now I'm hearing that the design will be toned down.

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Originally Posted by Ramako

460 Yonge (now Yonge & Grenville Condos) has been approved at 198 metres, being a decrease of 9 metres due to shadow impact on Alexander Parkette: http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2013/te/bgrd/backgroundfile-61111.pdf

The shadow impact? What about the sun impact? As if our quality of life is going to decrease if we're not continually bathed in sunlight. Besides, lots of people don't want direct sunlight. Honestly, I make a bee line for the shady side of the street as do a lot of people I know. It's not as if our streets turn into a dark cave. King and Yonge is one of the best bits of sidewalk because you never have to squint.

One of the great things about Manhattan is that there are large swaths of it where one is shielded from direct sunlight. It's wonderful. So where are the people advocating for those that want the sun blocked out? I'm hardly the only one who seeks out the shade.

Ramako · #**8113** Posted **Aug 29, 2013, 8:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

The shadow impact? What about the sun impact? As if our quality of life is going to decrease if we're not continually bathed in sunlight. Besides, lots of people don't want direct sunlight. Honestly, I make a bee line for the shady side of the street as do a lot of people I know. It's not as if our streets turn into a dark cave. King and Yonge is one of the best bits of sidewalk because you never have to squint.

One of the great things about Manhattan is that there are large swaths of it where one is shielded from direct sunlight. It's wonderful. So where are the people advocating for those that want the sun blocked out? I'm hardly the only one who seeks out the shade.

Although I disagree with the decrease in height, this was done to prevent shadows on a nearby parkette, not on the street itself. At 197 metres, this thing will still block out plenty of sky.

At the end of the day, ten years ago a tower of this height at this location would have been unfathomable. This is like ten steps forward, one step back.

isaidso · #**8114** Posted **Aug 29, 2013, 8:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ramako

Although I disagree with the decrease in height, this was done to prevent shadows on a nearby parkette, not on the street itself. At 197 metres, this thing will still block out plenty of sky.

At the end of the day, ten years ago a tower of this height at this location would have been unfathomable. This is like ten steps forward, one step back.

You're quite right that its a progression. Most people are averse to change so it needs to happen incrementally. It can be frustrating at times, but at least things are going in the right direction.

Innsertnamehere · #**8115** Posted **Aug 29, 2013, 10:21 PM**

yes considering Karma right beside this was shortened by a couple of floors just a year or two ago, it is certainly an improvement. (and it is only 165 meters)

caltrane74 · #**8116** Posted **Aug 30, 2013, 12:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

yes considering Karma right beside this was shortened by a couple of floors just a year or two ago, it is certainly an improvement. (and it is only 165 meters)

Thats a good point.

Shortened to 165 meters and then the following year shortened to 198 meters is incremental change, considering the properties are right next to each other. But its all good.

DrNest · #**8117** Posted **Aug 30, 2013, 12:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

I know many disagree, but I liked the old design a lot more. Good to see another tall condo going ahead though.

I prefer the original design too. I like the One Bloor clone.

Nouvellecosse · #**8118** Posted **Aug 30, 2013, 2:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

^^ Wasn't CASA 3 always going to be over 200m? CASA is closer to Yorkville and on a side street so is a more desirable location so I'm not surprised its selling well. I wish they'd stop tinkering with 460 Yonge. It's good the way it is. First a height reduction, now I'm hearing that the design will be toned down.

The shadow impact? What about the sun impact? As if our quality of life is going to decrease if we're not continually bathed in sunlight. Besides, lots of people don't want direct sunlight. Honestly, I make a bee line for the shady side of the street as do a lot of people I know. It's not as if our streets turn into a dark cave. King and Yonge is one of the best bits of sidewalk because you never have to squint.

One of the great things about Manhattan is that there are large swaths of it where one is shielded from direct sunlight. It's wonderful. So where are the people advocating for those that want the sun blocked out? I'm hardly the only one who seeks out the shade.

Just out of curiosity, do you burst to flames if you're exposed to sunlight? I saw a TV show about a guy like that once. His name was Angel and he hated the sun too.

isaidso · #**8119** Posted **Aug 30, 2013, 3:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Just out of curiosity, do you burst to flames if you're exposed to sunlight? I saw a TV show about a guy like that once. His name was Angel and he hated the sun too.

I avoid direct sunlight as part of my daily routine, that doesn't mean I dislike bright sunny days. I'm still getting tons of UV rays indirectly so it's only a partial solution. I hate wearing sunglasses and generally don't like walking around having to squint all day long. I much prefer Toronto's canyon streets or the shadow side of Yonge. I rarely walk on the side with the sun beaming on it.

My sister's the exact same way. I asked her once why she's crossing to the other side and she said to get in the shade. It dawned on me that lots of other people are doing the exact same thing. It also explains why these things are so popular:

Courtesy of Patio Design Depot

I do love the beach and haven't burst into flames yet so I'm not a vampire. That said, I certainly don't want direct sunlight in my day to day life. I use my balcony every day, but even there I wait till it's over cast or when the balcony is cast in shadow. I never go out there otherwise. I don't find that relaxing at all.

So those shadow policies are accomplishing the exact opposite of what I consider ideal. I want the shadow.

travis3000 · #**8120** Posted **Aug 30, 2013, 2:11 PM**

Damn those two approvals were SO close to 200m! It's a shame to lose two projects that both easily could have been in the 200m+ category, not like it will make a big difference on the skyline... what's 2-3m?