Lansdowne Park Redevelopment Phase 1 | Completed

[m0nkyman]

I would be surprised if the Clemow store doesn't close with Lansdowne and Central II both getting stores.

[KHOOLE]

Originally Posted by Radster

For all those people coming for a picnic at the park, a bottle of wine is a necessity.

What about all those hockey, football and soccer fans? They will surely pick up small bottle of liquor to sneak into the games.

All those new condo dwellers.

Anyone else who shops at Lansdowne, for that matter, will find it convenient to pick up a bottle or two.

Same with the Glebites, who will have access to a huge Vintages sections and won't have to treck to Rideau anymore.

Bottom line, use your imagination, LCBO will succeed there.

An LCBO with vintage wines needs a wide catchment area that takes in the diplomatic and high level bureaucrats that entertain a lot with equivalent expense accounts. Rideau and King Edward is well centered because it takes in Rockliffe Village and Sandy Hill where most diplomatic residences are.

For vintages to be profitable, you need a high volume of big sales, like selling cases at a time. Otherwise, you don't have the turnover.

Not many cars with CD licence plates in the Glebe.

As for walking over, Lansdowne is at the far south end of the Glebe. Most Glebe residents probably reside closer to LCBOs at Clemow, Isabella or even Central II.

Look around, Bank Street south of Fifth is a pedestrian shopping dead zone, except for Running Room and the Glebe Meat Market, the others being marginal.

Even if Clemow is closed, it would probably be easier to drive to Isabella or to Billings Bridge and avail oneself of free surface parking

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by m0nkyman

I would be surprised if the Clemow store doesn't close with Lansdowne and Central II both getting stores.

That would be my assumption.

[AuxTown]

Originally Posted by KHOOLE

An LCBO with vintage wines needs a wide catchment area that takes in the diplomatic and high level bureaucrats that entertain a lot with equivalent expense accounts. Rideau and King Edward is well centered because it takes in Rockliffe Village and Sandy Hill where most diplomatic residences are.

For vintages to be profitable, you need a high volume of big sales, like selling cases at a time. Otherwise, you don't have the turnover.

Not many cars with CD licence plates in the Glebe.

As for walking over, Lansdowne is at the far south end of the Glebe. Most Glebe residents probably reside closer to LCBOs at Clemow, Isabella or even Central II.

Look around, Bank Street south of Fifth is a pedestrian shopping dead zone, except for Running Room and the Glebe Meat Market, the others being marginal.

Even if Clemow is closed, it would probably be easier to drive to Isabella or to Billings Bridge and avail oneself of free surface parking

It's not going to be a dead zone anymore. You're forgetting the large and up-and-coming old Ottawa South. You think they don't need booze and nice wine? Not to mention the pedestrian bridge accross the canal into a neighbourhood that is very lacking in retail. So three large and relatively wealthy neighbourhoods within walking distance of Lansdowne. I don't think they'll have a hard time finding customers.

[KHOOLE]

Originally Posted by O-Town Hockey

It's not going to be a dead zone anymore. You're forgetting the large and up-and-coming old Ottawa South. You think they don't need booze and nice wine? Not to mention the pedestrian bridge accross the canal into a neighbourhood that is very lacking in retail. So three large and relatively wealthy neighbourhoods within walking distance of Lansdowne. I don't think they'll have a hard time finding customers.

I would not count too much on pedestrian traffic over the Bank St Bridge. It's heavily used by car traffic during the morning and afternoon rush hours. It will be even more so with hockey/football/soccer games. People will probably want to drive to go to the LCBO and their choice will be to drive over the Bank St Bridge to go to Lansdowne or over the Billings' Bridge to go to the shopping centre where Loblaws is and Target will be next year. One stop shopping.

Moreover, Farm Boy, Canadian Tire and gas stations are two minutes up the road.

Just a few minutes more, on the way to South Keys and WalMart, Future Shop,Staples and the movies, there is a popular LCBO Vintage store catering to most of the Ottawa South catchment by means of Hunt Club

As for the pedestrian bridge over the Canal, which will be years from now, if ever, it is situated on the very western edge of Old Ottawa East and is far from the historical central core along Main St. further north. It will be handy for free on-street parking for football games but not so much as access to a shopping venue. Maybe on a good day in the summertime but certainly not at this time of the year.

I don't see much at Trinity's Lansdowne Park that would attract Christmas shoppers, for instance. Nothing unique so far.

Old Ottawa East has few stores and no LCBO, no Beer Store and no grocery store. The residents probably drive over Pretoria Bridge for food, booze and beer as well as cash (Canada Trust) on Isabella. I don't see them criss-crossing over their neighbourhood on foot to purchase the same things. On a good day, they may walk over for a game or a movie though.

[Harley613]

i live in old ottawa east and i HATE my local amenities (pretoria lcbo, loblaws, beer store). The Loblaws is smaller than an average new Shopper's. I'm looking forward to the day I can boot down Riverdale and get a nice bottle of vintage wine and some decent 'whole' foods.

[KHOOLE]

Originally Posted by Harley613

i live in old ottawa east and i HATE my local amenities (pretoria lcbo, loblaws, beer store). The Loblaws is smaller than an average new Shopper's. I'm looking forward to the day I can boot down Riverdale and get a nice bottle of vintage wine and some decent 'whole' foods.

How do you get to Lansdowne Park from Riverdale?

Doesn't Riverdale take you down to the bridge of Billings Bridge?

[eemy]

Originally Posted by KHOOLE

How do you get to Lansdowne Park from Riverdale?

Doesn't Riverdale take you down to the bridge of Billings Bridge?

Sunnyside

[phil235]

Originally Posted by KHOOLE

I would not count too much on pedestrian traffic over the Bank St Bridge. It's heavily used by car traffic during the morning and afternoon rush hours. It will be even more so with hockey/football/soccer games. People will probably want to drive to go to the LCBO and their choice will be to drive over the Bank St Bridge to go to Lansdowne or over the Billings' Bridge to go to the shopping centre where Loblaws is and Target will be next year. One stop shopping.

Moreover, Farm Boy, Canadian Tire and gas stations are two minutes up the road.

Just a few minutes more, on the way to South Keys and WalMart, Future Shop,Staples and the movies, there is a popular LCBO Vintage store catering to most of the Ottawa South catchment by means of Hunt Club

As for the pedestrian bridge over the Canal, which will be years from now, if ever, it is situated on the very western edge of Old Ottawa East and is far from the historical central core along Main St. further north. It will be handy for free on-street parking for football games but not so much as access to a shopping venue. Maybe on a good day in the summertime but certainly not at this time of the year.

I don't see much at Trinity's Lansdowne Park that would attract Christmas shoppers, for instance. Nothing unique so far.

Old Ottawa East has few stores and no LCBO, no Beer Store and no grocery store. The residents probably drive over Pretoria Bridge for food, booze and beer as well as cash (Canada Trust) on Isabella. I don't see them criss-crossing over their neighbourhood on foot to purchase the same things. On a good day, they may walk over for a game or a movie though.

You are putting way too much emphasis on a car-dependent thought process. The Glebe by and large is not a car-dependent neighbourhood, and as I mentioned, recent studies of other Ottawa main streets show a very high share of pedestrian traffic. Bank St. is no different.

Bank St. is already a heavily-travelled pedestrian route to the bridge and into Ottawa South, and it's about to get much more so.

Not to mention that the LCBO is a sophisticated organization and it sells alcohol - I've never seen one close due to lack of business. I highly doubt that Lansdowne will be the first.

[JFFournier]

Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

So far it's mostly restaurants. I look forward to going to Joey and Whole Foods, but they need some clothing stores. I'm not really excited yet. Looking forward to more announcements.

They may be limited in the amount of such stores that they can bring in. I don't recall all the details, but they (OSEG and the Glebe BIA) had been working out a sort of percentage breakdown of what should be brought in. I think that the BIA felt that clothing stores were a little heavy in the mix and they asked for a reduction in that type of retail.

I was looking forward to the restaurant list myself, and while I understand how a Jack Astor's would find its way there, and I don't object to it, I'm still hopeful that there are a couple of "nicer" places added later.

[KHOOLE]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

This is relatively uncommon in Canada but there are lots of theatres serving beer (as well as beer/food dinner experience) in the US and it's also done in Germany and I'm sure many other European countries.....

http://enzian.org/
http://drafthouse.com

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there are other Cineplex cinemas that don't have the VIP theatres but do have licensed lounges as part of their concessions http://www.cineplex.com/Theatres/FoodAndDrink.aspx

The Report on Business section of the Saturday, December 22, 2012 edition of the Globe and Mail has an informative article on Cineplex Inc. and its CEO Ellis Jacob.

If anyone is an online subscriber and can capture this article, it may be worth posting in this thread or to start a new thread.

In it, it says that the box office revenue per patron is $8.89 and the concession revenue per patron is $4.62.

Also that it is a multilayered powerhouse of related businesses such as movie rentals (Ultraviolet) and a planned loyalty program venture with Scotiabank called Source.

Good read.

MERRY CHRISTMAS

[kevinbottawa]

Originally Posted by KHOOLE

The Report on Business section of the Saturday, December 22, 2012 edition of the Globe and Mail has an informative article on Cineplex Inc. and its CEO Ellis Jacob.

If anyone is an online subscriber and can capture this article, it may be worth posting in this thread or to start a new thread.

In it, it says that the box office revenue per patron is $8.89 and the concession revenue per patron is $4.62.

Also that it is a multilayered powerhouse of related businesses such as movie rentals (Ultraviolet) and a planned loyalty program venture with Scotiabank called Source.

Good read.

MERRY CHRISTMAS

How is that relevant to what Empire Cinemas is doing at Lansdowne?

[KHOOLE]

Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

How is that relevant to what Empire Cinemas is doing at Lansdowne?

OMG I blew it!

[m3i6]

Originally Posted by KHOOLE

I would not count too much on pedestrian traffic over the Bank St Bridge.

Why not?

[umbria27]

Originally Posted by m3i6

Why not?

I think that he's referring to the general pedestrian/bicycle unfriendliness of the Bank Street bridge. The sidewalks are narrow and fast vehicle traffic chases bikes onto the sidewalks. (I know several cyclists who've had near death experiences with OC Transpo buses over that span.) It's not really a pleasant walk if there's vehicular traffic.

With regards to the retail mix, I think the LCBO will do fine, as will the restaurants. LCBO does very good catchment analysis and they have no competition. A big store there will do ok pulling from Ottawa South and Glebe. There isn't yet anything unique that will bring people to the site. The restaurants aren't all that different from what's in your local mall. What really puzzles me are the banks: TD and BMO. New bank branches opening in established areas are pretty rare. Perhaps TD will consolidation its Sunnyside and Isabella branches to the new location.

[LeadingEdgeBoomer]

Any bets on what the decision is?

SCC to Decide If Lansdowne Park Appeal Will Be Heard

Stephanie Kinsella--CFRA web site
Monday, January 7, 2013

We'll find out on Thursday whether the Supreme Court of Canada will hear an appeal to HALT the redevelopment of Lansdowne Park.

John Martin has accused the city of improperly sole sourcing the deal to develope the site, and unfairly bonusing the developers the city has partnered with.

In an email late Monday afternoon, city solicitor Rick O'Connor said that the decision will be posted at 9:45 AM on the court's website http://scc.lexum.org

Martin lost his bid to stop the project at both the Superior Court level AND at the Court of Appeal.

The city has already started some work on the site, including movie the Horticulture Building.

[Hybrid247]

I'm 99% sure it will be rejected

[Radster]

Originally Posted by Acajack

You last three ideas are OK but the first two (picnickers and sneaking booze in) are officially illegal and also... not always likely to be successful attempts.

Bah, typical conservative Ottawa attitude. Yes drinking in a park is illegal, but people do it anyway, while sitting down and having a romantic picnic, and as long as they don't disturb any peace, chances are they won't be given any fines. Look around next time you are in a park. Same with NHL games, MLS games, CFL games etc, many people sneak a little something in, again, as long as they aren't being idiots about it and hide it well, they get away with it. Yes these are illegal, but so is jaywalking. Bottom line, this is reality and an LCBO at Lansdowne will cater to such customers too. Now, I know this is Ottawa, but lets change our attitudes a bit, stop being so boring, and live a little!

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Radster

Bah, typical conservative Ottawa attitude. Yes drinking in a park is illegal, but people do it anyway, while sitting down and having a romantic picnic, and as long as they don't disturb any peace, chances are they won't be given any fines. Look around next time you are in a park. Same with NHL games, MLS games, CFL games etc, many people sneak a little something in, again, as long as they aren't being idiots about it and hide it well, they get away with it. Yes these are illegal, but so is jaywalking. Bottom line, this is reality and an LCBO at Lansdowne will cater to such customers too. Now, I know this is Ottawa, but lets change our attitudes a bit, stop being so boring, and live a little!

Agreed - just reporting on the reality. I picnic with booze all the time.

Sneaking booze into stadiums and arenas is a bit tougher though.

[KHOOLE]

Originally Posted by Radster

Bah, typical conservative Ottawa attitude. Yes drinking in a park is illegal, but people do it anyway, while sitting down and having a romantic picnic, and as long as they don't disturb any peace, chances are they won't be given any fines. Look around next time you are in a park. Same with NHL games, MLS games, CFL games etc, many people sneak a little something in, again, as long as they aren't being idiots about it and hide it well, they get away with it. Yes these are illegal, but so is jaywalking. Bottom line, this is reality and an LCBO at Lansdowne will cater to such customers too. Now, I know this is Ottawa, but lets change our attitudes a bit, stop being so boring, and live a little!

I enjoy a quiet beer or wine while on a picnic also but I doubt very much that Lansdowne's urban park, a very public place to-be, would be a place for much libation during football/soccer/hockey/etc events.

Sneaking booze in a stadium also requires flair and inventiveness (we used to inject vodka in oranges when I went to U of T). Guys lining up at the LCBO next door for a mickey will stand out like sore thumbs for the constabulary to keep their eyes on.

If any booze is bought prior to a game, it will probably be done on Isabella or Bank & Powell or Billings Bridge.

I doubt very much that the LCBO at Lansdowne will have much business during sports events. The restaurants will though and they won't be quiet places either.

There is a whole slew of watering holes on Bank St in the Glebe and Old Ottawa South. That's probably where most of the imbibitions will be done.