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View Poll Results: Which of the designs would you like to see become the new Lansdowne 'Front Lawn'?
Option A: "One Park, Four Landscapes" 12 11.88%
Option B: "Win Place Show" 23 22.77%
Option C: "A Force of Nature" 14 13.86%
Option D: "All Roads Lead to Aberdeen" 16 15.84%
Option E: "The Canal Park in Ottawa" 18 17.82%
None of the above. Please keep my ashphalt. 18 17.82%
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Old Posted Dec 19, 2011, 4:27 AM
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Kind of disappointed it's Minto, just because of the appearance that gives. At least they had an external fairness commissioner looking at the process.

I'm hoping that the office space competition is won by someone who isn't part of OSEG.
It certainly does not look good. Nobody bids against Minto for the condos and nobody bids against Shenkman for the CE Centre (OBJ DEC 12). I thought the OSEG guys were in there primarily for football. Who's doing the PR?
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It certainly does not look good. Nobody bids against Minto for the condos and nobody bids against Shenkman for the CE Centre (OBJ DEC 12). I thought the OSEG guys were in there primarily for football. Who's doing the PR?
It says there were other bids for the condos but Minto's was the best.... we should learn more at an upcoming Council meeting

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MacNair's memo says councillors can expect a formal report on the bids and the dollar amounts in the new year.
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Kind of disappointed it's Minto, just because of the appearance that gives. At least they had an external fairness commissioner looking at the process.

I'm hoping that the office space competition is won by someone who isn't part of OSEG.
Doesn't look promising on the office space front.

"City officials are also hoping for better luck with bids for the office space, MacNair’s memo says, having received no bids for it that complied with all the city’s conditions."
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The Sun seems to be running a lot of articles based on an editorial board interview with Jeff Hunt.

This one says the Empire Theater will be licensed for alcohol. What are your feelings about that?

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Lansdowne Park cinema goers may soon be able to kick back with a beer while enjoying a movie.

According to Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group partner Jeff Hunt, this is just one of the many perks the Lansdowne development will bring to Ottawa.

This would make the location’s planned Empire Theatres the “only licensed theatre in the city,” said Hunt.

Mixing a bar and the movies is a rarity across Ontario — although Cineplex Entertainment has offered three licensed locations for at least ten years now.

The locations in London, Oakville and Toronto consist of a dedicated auditorium — referred to as VIP cinemas. They are 19 plus, offer reserved seating with large leather seats and have a serving staff to take orders — ranging from the traditional movie popcorn to an ice cold beer.

“The VIP cinemas are the first ones to sell out — especially opening weekend because of the different features that a guest is getting,” said Cineplex Entertainment spokesman, Kyle Moffatt. “(They) can take (their) pinot grigio in to see The King’s Speech ... That’s great and they do love that choice.”

Empire Theatres is not the only marquee tenant expected to open in Lansdowne Park’s retail space.

The high-end grocer Wholefoods and the home furnishings store Crate & Barrel will provide shopping options before and after the game.

That said, Hunt isn’t worried about the retail locations and movie theatre overshadowing the perks that football and soccer tickerholders will be enjoying.

“I’m really excited about the club we’re going to have,” said Hunt, referencing the stadium’s clubhouse, which will offer better seating. “It’s going to be a ‘premium product’.”

Hunt is a big advocate of the ‘fan experience’, something he has considerable experience developing since taking ownership of the Ottawa 67’s in 1998. He’s proud of the game day experience developed with the 67’s. “I think the 67’s have one of the best game day experiences in sports.”

And while Senators fans are being treated to a new and improved scoreboard at Scotiabank Place, Hunt feels confident Lansdowne Park will compete.

“Scotiabank really raised the bar,” he acknowledges. “The A/V will be dramatically different,” he said of Lansdowne. “The scoreboard is going to be world class. It will be massive.”

But working with the energy fans bring to the game is also part of the equation.

“The entertainment in the game is all organic.”

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OK for a baseball game

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"This one says the Empire Theater will be licensed for alcohol. What are your feelings about that?"

"Popcorn and beer" is not the environment that I would care to have if I am to pay top dollar for an interesting movie. I know that the Mayfair serves beer and wine but I believe that it does so only on special occasions.
Popcorn (or hotdogs) and beer are great at a baseball game when everyone is expected to be vocal and exhuberant in an open air stadium but not in the dark in an enclosed area when viewers are concentrating on what is being said or happening on the screen. Popcorn munchers are bad enough but at least most do so discreetly.
Places like the NAC and Centrepointe have bars during intermission time but you can't bring your drinks (and food) inside. I can't see this happening in a movie theatre.
What abour ID and underage drinking? Even if you're 95 years old, you can't buy beer at Bluesfest without showing an ID. Will people line up for beer with their ID when the show starts in two minutes?
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Khoole asked

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Will people line up for beer with their ID when the show starts in two minutes?
I do not think that is the concept here. I beleive they are talking about a separate lounge-like area segregated and overlooking the regular theater non-alcohol seating. Servers take your order and bring your beverage to where you are sitting.

As the article states it has been done in three other Ontario locations for ten years.

I think I will keep an open mind and consider that Ottawa is big enough and Ottawans seek enough entertainment variety that one such operation may be okay.

It does not have much appeal to me though. I have the occasional drink but I go to a movie just for the movie and will not be sitting in the licensed area.
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oh i don't think this is going to affect the movie going experience at all. when a pint of beer will probably cost $14 not too many people will be getting carried away :p
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I do not think that is the concept here. I beleive they are talking about a separate lounge-like area segregated and overlooking the regular theater non-alcohol seating. Servers take your order and bring your beverage to where you are sitting.
Exactly. It's a VIP area. The notion that it'll be filed with "rowdies" seems like a bit of a reach. The example they give is of a glass of wine before The King's Speech. I doubt the VIP Lounge intends to air The Hangover II.

Being that it won't be EVERY theater, then I don't have a problem with it. It's an option.
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This is relatively uncommon in Canada but there are lots of theatres serving beer (as well as beer/food dinner experience) in the US and it's also done in Germany and I'm sure many other European countries.....

http://enzian.org/
http://drafthouse.com

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there are other Cineplex cinemas that don't have the VIP theatres but do have licensed lounges as part of their concessions http://www.cineplex.com/Theatres/FoodAndDrink.aspx
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"it has been done in three other Ontario locations for ten years"

Is it still happening? What and where are those three locations and how did it turn out?

The video shows a kid sitting beside his mom while she is served wine (wine with a submarine?) How will that go in Ontario? Will the theatre be licensed as a restaurant or a sports bar?

I get the impression it's a bit like travelling First Class for the VIP and economy class for the peasants.

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"it has been done in three other Ontario locations for ten years"

Is it still happening? What and where are those three locations and how did it turn out?

The video shows a kid sitting beside his mom while she is served wine (wine with a submarine?) How will that go in Ontario? Will the theatre be licensed as a restaurant or a sports bar?
here are the current ones Cineplex has

http://www.cineplex.com/Theatres/VIP.aspx

they are also expanding http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/...town-markham-ontario-tsx-cgx-1558656.htm

The Ontario Cineplex VIP cinemas are 19+, not sure what Empire will do

here's some reviews of the Toronto one
http://www.yelp.ca/biz/cineplex-odeon-varsity-and-varsity-vip-toronto

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I don't know if I can give up my clandestine mickey of rye and extra large coke for a perfectly legal beer in a movie theatre! Those were the days....
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I have visited the Oakville VIP theatre, and have to say that I am a fan. The 19+ is probably the biggest selling feature (no little kids running around and making noise), but there was also a lounge before the theatres. As I recall the alcohol was only allowed in the lounge area and not in the theatres. The seating was assigned and you could have food delivered to your seat. It was also much nicer seating than in a normal theatre.
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Anybody know when the ruling will be issued on the Fools of Lansdowne appeal? I thought I heard Christmas was the target deadline.
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Anybody know when the ruling will be issued on the Fools of Lansdowne appeal? I thought I heard Christmas was the target deadline.
No Lansdowne Judgement Before 2012....

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Jon Willing - December 29th, 2011
Many were hoping to begin (sort of) anew on the Lansdowne Park file in 2012, but it looks like the Ontario Court of Appeal is going to keep everyone waiting a bit longer.

The court isn’t expected to rule on the Friends of Lansdowne appeal before the year is done. Unless things change at the last minute, a judgement is not expected Friday, the last working day of 2011.

Talking to Roger Greenberg before the holidays, he was hoping there would be a decision by the end of the year. It’s a sentiment shared by officials around City Hall.

At the end of the appeal hearing in November, the court’s chief justice only said the three-judge panel would make a decision “as quick as we can.”

Jeff Hunt, another business partner in the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group, told our editorial board before Christmas that the delays aren’t necessarily a bad thing since it gives OSEG and the city an opportunity to make sure they “get it right.”
http://blogs.canoe.ca/cityhall/lansdowne/no-lansdowne-judgement-before-2012/
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"it has been done in three other Ontario locations for ten years"

Is it still happening? What and where are those three locations and how did it turn out?

The video shows a kid sitting beside his mom while she is served wine (wine with a submarine?) How will that go in Ontario? Will the theatre be licensed as a restaurant or a sports bar?

I get the impression it's a bit like travelling First Class for the VIP and economy class for the peasants.
So don't go to that theatre.
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Of course Jeff Hunt is right; the FOL (and we might add the Conservancy gang) is a lunatic fringe.
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Interesting article on OpenFile.

It says that :

---the Mayfair has had special event alcohol licences.

---a year ago the Mayfair applied for a permanent license and was turned down

---if Empire does get a licence , the Mayfair will apply for one again.

I wonder though if the licence bureau will see a difference between the two applications. Empire will offer a segegrated licenced area, while perhaps the Mayfair does not have the space to do this, meaning every seat in the place will be licenced.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but it will be a couple of years before we find out how it does.

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Opps-somehow I dupicated the above post
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This was reported on OpenFile.ca today

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January 5, 2012

The people behind the Lansdowne Legal Challenge

Thursday, January 5, 2012


The Friends of Lansdowne has lost a "spark plug" of its movement to another city.

June Creelman, the former president of the Glebe Community Association and a leader in the opposition to current plans for the redevelopment of Lansdowne Park, is leaving Ottawa to take a new position at the Canadian Museum for Human Rights in Winnipeg.

Creelman is one of the most important voices in the opposition to the City of Ottawa’s partnership with Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group, which plans to build a new shopping centre and stadium on the site. But even if she's moving to a different city, Creelman vows to continue working hard on the issue—at least for the short term.

“Until we know where we stand on the legal case, it’s hard to predict what our actions and our future is going to be,” she says. “I think I will stay on as a leader, and we’ll have to have some rethinking once we see what happens with the legal challenge.”

Bob Brocklebank, a past president of the GCA and community activist who has been involved with the Friends of Lansdowne, calls Creelman a “sparkplug” of the movement. He says that her absence will be a blow, but that others may step up.

“There may be somebody else who is interested and would like to pick up the torch,” he says. “In voluntary organizations, when someone is willing to take over a task, we always say 'yes'.”

Who leads the Friends of Lansdowne?

There are two organizations known as Friends of Lansdowne: the incorporated body involved in the legal case with the city, and the informal association that has organized meetings and worked to raise awareness of the Lansdowne redevelopment plans within the community.

Both organizations include three executive members: Creelman, Gordon Henderson from the Kanata Beaverbrook Community association, and Jack Gilmer. The board of the informal community association also includes Martha McKeen, Brian Tansey, Ken Shipley, and Jo Wood.

Although Creelman has stepped down from the GCA, she says she has no plans to leave her positions with the two Friends of Lansdowne organizations.

Who supports the Friends of Lansdowne?

Brocklebank says the informal Friends of Lansdowne includes people from many different neighbourhoods in Ottawa, and points to Henderson’s participation as an indicator of how the issue affects people outside of the immediate area of Lansdowne Park.

“While there is a concentration of interest by people in this part of the city, it isn’t only people from the Glebe and Ottawa South,” he says. “Everybody who attends is not necessarily a supporter, but there were hundreds at the last meeting.”

According to Creelman, the informal Friends of Lansdowne association has more than 7,000 subscribers on its mailing list and has received individual donations from more than 1,000 people. The group has been active since 2009, and the incorporated body was founded in August 2010.

“It was only when we decided to launch the legal suit that we got a bit more organized,” says Creelman. “We always think that we’re going to not have to keep going further. We’ve always assumed that we would win or that the city would do the right thing


Will the Friends of Lansdowne release their list of supporters?*

Creelman is reluctant to release the names of those who have supported the Friends of Lansdowne financially, as well as the members of the non-profit association. She says she has received hate mail online—both on the group’s Facebook page and in comments posted on news articles.

“We get a fair bit of nasty stuff,” she says. “People have told us that we should go to jail, that they hope we lose all our money. Some people have accused us of being anti-Semitic.”

Creelman also says the Friends of Lansdowne have faced an undue amount of attention without corresponding coverage of the machinations behind the OSEG deal.

“I find that the citizens who are concerned are given more scrutiny than the people who are signing this deal for hundreds of millions of dollars,” she says.

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EDITOR'S NOTE: Creelman's comments about membership lists were not included in the first version of this story.

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Maude Barlow chairperson of the Council of Canadians has spoken at least once at one FOL support event.

A check of the CC web site shows FOL lawyer Steve Shyrbman as a member of the Board of Directors of CC.

Pam Beattie--exec assistant to the national president of CUPE is also a member of the CC. CUPE national office gave $15000 to FOL. Is CC the driving force behind FOL? Are FOL's leaders and most of its donors members of CC?

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