Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 3

[ajiuO]

The new smiths express on 500s and 600e doesn't look that good at all. They should have put the pay station in the back corner

[delts145]

Originally Posted by UTPlanner

The hotel project south of the Energy Solutions Arena, is actually proposed with two seperate hotels and a shared parking facilities. One of them is labeled as a Hyatt brand and one as a Marriott brand. Neither are huge buildings. I've seen the proposed elevations and they are maybe 6 or 7 stories tall. The permitted height is 75' and the appliacnt may request height up to 125'. The Hyatt would be on 300 West and the Mariott project would be on 100 South. The parking garage would be tucked behind.

jedikermit-- a hotel is required to provide 1 off street parking stall for each 2 rooms.

Thanks UTPlanner for the updated info. on this. So, should we anticipate another 500 to 600-plus rooms between the two of them?

Sounds like some excellent mid-rise infill for that specific area, which is sorely needed.

Interesting, that the two are coming on line at the same time. Are they so close to each other that a collaberation to resolve specific problem issues dealing with ballroom/exibition space, and executive planner proximity closer to the Convention Center, could be answered for the immediate future? I mean, this places three excellent mid-sized hotels, Radisson, which has just made a significant upgrade, Marriott, and Hyatt all in a mall like proximity to each other and the Convention Center. All will have a significant number of rooms, which will also provide upscale offerings. It feels to me as if a creative solution for the immediate future needs of OR is going forward quickly. This would give the ultimate mega-hotel a little more breathing room with the county and a continued economic recovery. What do you guys think??

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by delts145

Thanks UTPlanner for the updated info. on this. So, should we anticipate another 500 to 600-plus rooms between the two of them?

Sounds like some excellent mid-rise infill for that specific area, which is sorely needed.

Interesting, that the two are coming on line at the same time. Are they so close to each other that a collaberation to resolve specific problem issues dealing with ballroom/exibition space, and executive planner proximity closer to the Convention Center, could be answered for the immediate future? I mean, this places three excellent mid-sized hotels, Radisson, which has just made a significant upgrade, Marriott, and Hyatt all in a mall like proximity to each other and the Convention Center. All will have a significant number of rooms, which will also provide upscale offerings. It feels to me as if a creative solution for the immediate future needs of OR is going forward quickly. This would give the ultimate mega-hotel a little more breathing room with the county and a continued economic recovery. What do you guys think??

Sounds like this is just a quick fix for now to try to get the OR to STAY here since it's clear SLC won't get a Convention Center Hotel online by 2015. Anythings better then nothing I guess.

[delts145]

Yeah agreed, but a couple of decent sized, upscale mid-rises is pretty cool for right now, especially at that location. I was thinking a little more about it, and I would rather the convention hotel be something really iconic, rather than something like a few around recently. I think if we wait a little longer, we'll have our cake and eat it too.

[UTPlanner]

I think the reason that both hotels are proposed at the same time is that the property owners are buying a franchise from each company. I don't know that for sure but I have seen the same pattern happen in other places in the valley.

[SLCdude]

Here are two Youtube videos that are gaining popularity. Both filmed in the Salt Lake area.

Downtown parkour...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhPaiajwDY&feature=g-all-u

Shooting the tube (under I-215) base of Parleys Canyon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Hzl_KCX2k&list=UUwgURKfUA7e0Z7_qE3TvBFQ&index=2&feature=plcp

[Comrade]

I don't get it.

[Scraperdude801]

Originally Posted by SLCdude

Here are two Youtube videos that are gaining popularity. Both filmed in the Salt Lake area.

Downtown parkour...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhPaiajwDY&feature=g-all-u

Shooting the tube (under I-215) base of Parleys Canyon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Hzl_KCX2k&list=UUwgURKfUA7e0Z7_qE3TvBFQ&index=2&feature=plcp

awesome!

[Stenar]

The problem with posting photos of the Rio Grande Depot and the Cleveland market and comparing them is that the Rio Grande Depot's main hall is less than 4,000 square feet, while Cleveland's West Side Market covers 45,000 square feet.

Originally Posted by Old&New

I think the Rio Grande depot provides a sufficient amount of space for a year-round Farmer's Market/Public Market. That is, if the space below the 2nd level walkway is used as vendor space that is oriented toward the main hall. This would leave the entire floor space in the main hall for at least one 2x6-8 block of vendors, similar to those seen in the picture posted by Future Mayor (see below), creating a looped walkway on the main floor. Additionally, during the Spring/Summer/Fall Months, the Market will be able to expand out the back doors onto the very large covered patio and even onto the adjacent circular mid-street plaza (also see below).



http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=14587283



http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=3271844&postcount=30



Imagine this is inside the Rio Grande depot, and the vendors along the walls are under the Rio Grand depot's 2nd level walkway:

[Old&New]

Obviously the square footage in the Cleveland market is larger than the Rio Grande Depot because it's a much longer building. I'm just saying the indoor space at the Rio Grande Depot is large enough to house the amount of vendors that will be in business durring the winter months. Then for the summer months, the market can expand to the back patio and beyond.

Originally Posted by Old&New

I think the Rio Grande depot provides a sufficient amount of space for a year-round Farmer's Market/Public Market. That is, if the space below the 2nd level walkway is used as vendor space that is oriented toward the main hall. This would leave the entire floor space in the main hall for at least one 2x6-8 block of vendors, similar to those seen in the picture posted by Future Mayor (see below), creating a looped walkway on the main floor. Additionally, during the Spring/Summer/Fall Months, the Market will be able to expand out the back doors onto the very large covered patio and even onto the adjacent circular mid-street plaza (also see below).



http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=14587283



http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=3271844&postcount=30



Imagine this is inside the Rio Grande depot, and the vendors along the walls are under the Rio Grand depot's 2nd level walkway:

[Stenar]

I think it's way too small. And where will the Utah Historical Society go? They have offices in the area under the walkway, which you are proposing to use for vendors.

Originally Posted by Old&New

Obviously the square footage in the Cleveland market is larger than the Rio Grande Depot because it's a much longer building. I'm just saying the indoor space at the Rio Grande Depot is large enough to house the amount of vendors that will be in business durring the winter months. Then for the summer months, the market can expand to the back patio and beyond.

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by Stenar

I think it's way too small. And where will the Utah Historical Society go? They have offices in the area under the walkway, which you are proposing to use for vendors.

If im not mistaken, the offices for the utah historical society are mostly located in the south wing of the building and beyond (in a later addition to the building).

[delts145]

I agree that the Rio Grande alone would be too small. The Cleveland building is also surrounded by additional market buildings accounting for much of the space. Also, the Salt Lake City Farmer's Market popularity has faaar surrpassed what could be handled by the Rio Grande alone. However, if additional space were added, such as a promenade on both sides, between the Rio Grande and the Central Station that could be an incredible set-up. Whatever the makeup, there will obviously have to be a sizable additional space added around the Rio Grande. I think that is already the intention of those looking at the Rio Grande. The Rio Grande would simply function as a very cool centerpiece of sorts. Am I not right Future Mayor?

I like that Cleveland tower too. It keeps reminding me how we need to remake the stupid tower at Gateway, or at least match it up with the Union Pacific's outstanding style and finish.



It's almost impossible for anyone to pick a favorite region, city, marketplace or public piazza in Italy, but among my favorites would be the Veneto Zone, which has some stellar marketplaces. To give SLC a truley memorable market/public space, I think it should stretch from the backside of the Rio Grande, between 5th and 6th West, along 300 So., all the way to the Central Station.

Padova, Piazza Delle Erbe

visualphotos.com


placesonline.com

Vicenza, Piazza Dei Signoi



www.travelplan

Verona, Piazza Delle Erbe



www.zeni.it

[jtrent77]

If money weren't an issue, my suggestion would be to build a market on the block at 600 W and Broadway. Start off by building the just one line west to east across the block on the north half with stalls for vendors as well as a few places to get breakfast/lunch. Ensure that the market remains open until the last FrontRunner train leaves from across the street thus allowing commuters to pick up a few items before heading home and not having to make a separate trip to a grocery store once they arrive home. As the market grows, expand the market across the entire block leaving maybe 1/4 of the block to be open air the other 3/4 covered. I think it would be a great place and a perfect location next to TRAX and FrontRunner.

[Future Mayor]

Yes the Salt Lake Farmers market at Pioneer Park is hugely successful, but the year round version has never been attempted. I think the Rio Grande Depot is the perfect place to start, yes people are used to coming to the farmers market on Saturdays and some on Tuesday's in the summer and early fall, but it will take a while for people to get used to having the option a few days a week, year round.

I think you could fit four vendors from east to west in the depot's main hall. One would be under each balcony and two in the middle back to back, two isle running north/south.

In this photo of the West Side Market

the narrow building to the left that extends behind the market as well, is the fresh produce building. The main building houses everything else, including an olive booth, candy, bread, cheese, meets, fresh fish and anything else you can think of.
West 25th Street, the street under construction in front of the market, is the heart of a neigborhood called Ohio City, and has a lot of restaurants, bars, and other retailers, but none of those are "market" type businesses.

I am sure that the state would be more than happy to have to relocate the historical society offices if they were getting rent from the market, or if the market. If a market here were a success, they could easily expand into the annex area to the south, currently housing offices, and the size of the plaza between the depot and the street could accomodate some small out buildings.

[Future Mayor]

If the Rio Grande Depot doesn't end up being the location of the year round market or if it is outgrown within a few years I think the ideal location would be just west of the depot, on either the north side or south side of 350 South. I think the market needs to be close to Central Station, it will allow people from across the Wasatch to access the market without getting in their cars, it would bring a great vibrancy to the overall neighborhood.

[livedowntown]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

...or if it is outgrown within a few years...

That is why I would never be in favor of ripping out the walls and woodwork under the elevated walkways. The market will leave (if it starts in the Rio Grande) and I would hate to see it bastardized in the process.

For instance the great arched windows use to be green stained glass, which I think would have looked spectacular with the red/orange roof, but someone decided to take that glass out and now we will most likely never get them back.

[ajiuO]

Isn't the swapmeet at the fairpark year around?

Seriously. There will be no fresh produce during the winter and I doubt cooking will be permitted inside of the rio grande. It will be reduced to an indoor swapmeet / sign a partition for your favorite liberal activist group type of place.. I'm sure the rio grand will be plenty big.. Not to mention the reduced attendance.

Nothing needs to be modified inside of the rio grande and it should probably only be a 2 day a week proposition...

I mainly go to the farmers Market for fresh produce.. I think it would be cool to set up a salt lake arts emporium at the rio grand that operates 2 days a week... Where local artist and craftsman could sale their goods... And then keep the fresh produce and food at the park or possibly even move it to pear point ave.

[Stenar]

Have you ever been in the building?

Originally Posted by Old&New

If im not mistaken, the offices for the utah historical society are mostly located in the south wing of the building and beyond (in a later addition to the building).

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by ajiuO

Seriously. There will be no fresh produce during the winter and I doubt cooking will be permitted inside of the rio grande. It will be reduced to an indoor swapmeet / sign a partition for your favorite liberal activist group type of place.. I'm sure the rio grand will be plenty big.. Not to mention the reduced attendance.

Nothing needs to be modified inside of the rio grande and it should probably only be a 2 day a week proposition...

Somehow with an even colder climate, Clevelands West Side Market always has fresh produce, YEAR ROUND! The nearly two years I lived in downtown Cleveland, I probably bought produce from a grocery store maybe 3 or 4 times. There are green houses that if there was a market for it, could grow fresh vegtables year round and sell them at a year round farmers market. All of the produce might not be from as nearby as it would be in the summer, but it will still be much more fresh than the winter produce at the grocery store.

I think three days would be ideal, one during the week, such at Tuesday and Friday and Saturday, not everyone wants to only go on Saturday and would appreciate the chance to keep their Saturdays open but still get fresh food on Friday instead.