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Originally Posted by bunt_q
There is no 38th and Downing light rail station. Just saying, if you're going to criticize spelling, then you'd better get your geography right. There's a big difference between 30th and 38th on the ground. If you're professing to be an expert in Five Points, you'd better know that.
Lawson Park, really? Because it happens to be the nearest green space to our homeless shelters, and it's a nice out of the way place to sleep (and drink), it becomes evidence of a slum? I lived within sight of that park (across the street basically) for four years, never had a problem there. I am definitely no hipster, nor am I a pioneer of anything. And that park frankly didn't scare me a bit. It's a transitional area for sure, but developers don't invest what they have in that immediate area if it's a slum.
Far be it for me to quote myself, but I stand by what I and others said earlier, which I think is an accurate representation of the neighborhood (coming from someone who has actually lived there). So:
As for Five Points being "largely slummy and run down" - you, sir, have no idea what you are talking about.
It's also very difficult to argue that Denver has not respected the African American heritage of Five Points. Quite the opposite really.
(In a way, I wish it was slummy and run down. If it was, at the same time all of the so-called hipsters thought it was a gem, I could make a lot of money. But as it stands, I've been pretty much priced out of Curtis Park and the core of Five Points already. So much for the slum, aren't those supposed to at least be affordable?)
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Wow, you got me with this one, chief. 38th and Downing, 30th and Downing, whatever. They're both ghetto as all get out. I have been there a couple times and clearly don't have the light rail system memorized.
I am arguing that this POSTER did not respect the African-American heritage of 5 Points. That was clearly expressed several times throughout my post. I guess your eyes conveniently glazed over those parts. I never talked about Denver's relationship to 5 Points.
You're not proving anything by pretending that 5 Points is not rough around the edges. It doesn't make you cool or any more urbane in pretending as if you live in a nice neighborhood when there are drug dealers inhabiting major parks, grafitti here and there, and a disturbing trash blowing about in the downsloping winds from the great Rocky Mountains. It is clear that 5 Points is one of the most rough neighborhoods in the city of Denver
The fact of the matter is that any photographic documentation of 5 Points needs to accurately depict the neighborhood. To avoid doing so is a disgrace to the entire country.
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Originally Posted by Cirrus
Anyone who thinks Five Points is a slum has never seen a real slum.
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Really? I live in Tucson. I think I have seem a real slum before...
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Originally Posted by Nineties Flava
Once again, why don't you provide your own photo-thread of the neighborhood the next time you're in Denver? Put your money where your mouth is. You can take the smart ass schtick somewhere else while you're at it.
I fully understand why one would be angry if they felt a city/neighborhood they were familiar with was misrepresented - my own city is misrepresented all the time - but if you actually cared you would rep it right instead of bitching and moaning when someone else doesn't show it the way you see it.
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I mentioned in most post that I will be there next month and will shoot my own photos. My pics, combined with the OP's pics, will give a complete view of the community.
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Originally Posted by CPVLIVE
In your rush to judgement I think you forgot to actually view the photos OR read the commentary. A common illness among those that already know everything.
Oh but I have - three times to be exact. Once for five days that I'll never get back and twice for spring training games. I lived for two years in Phoenix and had a friend studying in Tucson. Alas, the Rockies have moved on and I don't foresee any reason to return. Interesting factoid - when I lived in Phoenix I leased property from Rick Neuheisel's mom (wonderful woman) who at the time either owned or was running the Shalimar golf club and she let me and my roomates play all the rounds we could stand for free. Good times. My two years in Phoenix I also won't get back, but it taught me an invaluable lesson and inspired my love for urbanity and a vow never to dwell another day in a suburban wasteland. I don't really know much about Tucson, however there were only 35,752 inhabitants in 1940. That tells me that most of the cities growth occured post WWII and therefore was built when the suburban, strip-mall type model was in favor.
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Very good. This starts to scratch the surface of what should have been the primary focus of this thread, instead of those gentrified things. Having several pictures of the neighborhoods historical character randomly sprinkled in here and there is not sufficient and is dishonest.
Phoenix and Tucson are really nothing alike just because they're in the same state. Should I assume that Pueblo and Denver are the same? I don't think so. Many of the intown neighborhoods, including the one I photographed, were built in the early 20th century. Tucson has an extremely stong and cherished Mexican and Native American history with people who have lived in the same community for generations. I am sure that they would not appreciate being told that their active and vibrant communities are suburban wastelands. Tucson grew due to annexation and an actual desire of people wanting to move there. Someone in Denver shouldn't act like they live in San Francisco. Aside from several in town neighborhoods, there are plenty of bland, uninspiring areas within Denver's own city limits. Wasn't Denver even losing population for some time? I guess your theory about fast growing WWII era cities being the sole bastions of suburban sprawl and blandness isn't completely true... Been to your own Federal Boulevard lately?? Colorado Boulevard, perhaps?
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