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Old Posted Nov 10, 2009, 6:28 AM
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Discovery Plaza looks better then I think any of us would have expected it to! This is really the only proposed building from the past two years that has been completed. Oh imagine if riverlanding, the lighthouse, holiday inn, Cameco all materialized, we would be a mini Calgary! Or atleast look similiar to Mcleod trail
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^ "if wishes were horses then beggars would ride."
     
     
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oh ya mcleod trail, haha
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2009, 3:46 PM
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McNab Park

McNab redevelopment moves forward

By David Hutton, The StarPhoenix
November 12, 2009 7:43 AM


The redevelopment of McNab Park from a low-income housing neighbourhood into a high-end business park, including a major hotel, has cleared another hurdle with construction now expected to get underway in mid-2010.

"This is what was envisaged," said Alan Wallace, the City of Saskatoon's senior neighbourhood planner.

"No less than three investors came and went and it kept falling through.

"We went through the difficult process of an exit strategy for existing tenants. And now, finally, we're at a point where a development is going to go forward."

During the past two years, tenants of the homes built in 1952 by the Royal Canadian Air Force have been fighting the inevitable.

At one time, almost 400 people lived in 148 units at McNab Park, but now 27 units are occupied, Gilbert Dobroskay of Guardian Commercial Real Estate Services Ltd. told a city committee on Tuesday.

A group of Calgary investors purchased the 50-acre site, now named Aero Green Business Park, for the purpose of turning it into a high-end business development.

Their concept plan received committee approval Tuesday and now needs city council to sign off on it to proceed. It includes two phases and seven parcels of land slated for offices and hotels, a redeveloped park area and a retention pond.

The business park, which will be similar in style to Innovation Place, will complement the upgrades along Airport Drive, which is undergoing streetscaping work, Wallace said.

Infrastructure upgrades in the area will begin in the new year after the zoning is approved. There is still some demolition of some of the housing units and roadwork to take place, Wallace said.

"Despite the false starts, it's actually going to happen," he said.

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No idea on the tenants but they will certainly have some nice space.
I have heard that the main tenant is BHP Billiton's potash division which is now at Innovation Place.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2009, 7:31 PM
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Unless it is a different division, BHP Billiton is moving into a third of Discovery Plaza. Has someone said that already? Their company mandate is to only move to spaces where they are LEED ceritfied and for this same reasons their TI's were all done to LEED standards as well. The brick portion of the building on the North Side will have a BHP logo once they have moved in. I have heard that Areva may be moving to Mcnab or should I say Aerogreen Business Park because currently they are all over the place.

Interesting to see this going ahead with so much Industrial office space available in the North end. North 48, North Landing, Matrix Business Park, Pillar Properties all have large amount of good quality industrial/office space. Unless some hightech firms or something more research/office based company needs space in the north end I dont see the demand for this increased supply any time soon. Thoughts?
     
     
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McNab redevelopment moves forward

By David Hutton, The StarPhoenix
November 12, 2009 7:43 AM


The redevelopment of McNab Park from a low-income housing neighbourhood into a high-end business park, including a major hotel, has cleared another hurdle with construction now expected to get underway in mid-2010.

"This is what was envisaged," said Alan Wallace, the City of Saskatoon's senior neighbourhood planner.

"No less than three investors came and went and it kept falling through.

"We went through the difficult process of an exit strategy for existing tenants. And now, finally, we're at a point where a development is going to go forward."

During the past two years, tenants of the homes built in 1952 by the Royal Canadian Air Force have been fighting the inevitable.

At one time, almost 400 people lived in 148 units at McNab Park, but now 27 units are occupied, Gilbert Dobroskay of Guardian Commercial Real Estate Services Ltd. told a city committee on Tuesday.

A group of Calgary investors purchased the 50-acre site, now named Aero Green Business Park, for the purpose of turning it into a high-end business development.

Their concept plan received committee approval Tuesday and now needs city council to sign off on it to proceed. It includes two phases and seven parcels of land slated for offices and hotels, a redeveloped park area and a retention pond.

The business park, which will be similar in style to Innovation Place, will complement the upgrades along Airport Drive, which is undergoing streetscaping work, Wallace said.

Infrastructure upgrades in the area will begin in the new year after the zoning is approved. There is still some demolition of some of the housing units and roadwork to take place, Wallace said.

"Despite the false starts, it's actually going to happen," he said.

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This sounds quite interesting. Are there any renders of what the space will look like when finished?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2009, 3:10 PM
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It's nice to hear that projects are moving along in the city of Saskatoon. I have heard that the property on 25th Street & second Ave. (Former Parktown Esso) is up for sale with a lot of interest, for a office tower, retirement living highrise?
     
     
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At first I thought 22nd and Ave O was a strange place for a hotel. The developer may have in mind that people who come in for treatment at St. Paul's or their family members that need a place to stay for a week or so will be the target customers. This is similar to all the houses on College Drive.
     
     
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Driving by McNab Park the other day I noticed a couple more of the duplex houses are wrapped and ready to move. You don't realize how run down that area was until you drive down Circle Drive West and see the Camponi Place developement where these houses have been moved to and improved. It's hard to believe they are the same buildings. This was a great plan for the developer and makes use of good solid buildings instead of filling the landfill with them.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2009, 12:38 AM
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The electronic bus fare boxes are currently in the process of being installed. My bus, the 80, had one under a cover and non operational. This is VERY exciting! Welcome to the 21st century Saskatoon transit .

Totally agree gowest, I think the reuse of these buildings was a very great idea. It reduces waste as well costs for affordable living.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2009, 9:27 AM
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Been a while since I've posted, but I've really been enjoying all the updates. I'm so excited to finally see some progressive developments in Saskatoon. I'm really glad that the houses from McNab won't just be junked, that Discovery Plaza, KG and the new Place Riel are LEED certified and that a REAL grocery store is planning to open downtown this is all so encouraging! It's also nice to see some investment into our transit infrastructure, if the public had a little more buy in we could have a fantastic system! Here in Amsterdam not only are there bike lanes on ALMOST EVERY street, and there is a fantastic tram and metro system as well that is undergoing a major expansion (new metro line)... maybe in a few years? One of the interesting side effects of progressive developments is less obesity and healthier lifestyles, it's amazing what a couple of km of daily walking/biking can do for your body!

I really hope that with the development of small hydro on the river and a wind turbine at Diefenbaker people will start thinking seriously about their ecological footprint, and more LEED certified developments commissioned. It's nice to see the private sector taking some leadership . I'm glad that eco-friendly is finally profitable and hope we see a lot more of it in the future!

Thanks everyone for posting, I'm back from Amsterdam in a few weeks and can't wait to see all that's happened!

P.S. Did any of you guys get together to talk development? I'd still love to have a get together some time... maybe December or the New year?
     
     
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Driving by McNab Park the other day I noticed a couple more of the duplex houses are wrapped and ready to move. You don't realize how run down that area was until you drive down Circle Drive West and see the Camponi Place developement where these houses have been moved to and improved. It's hard to believe they are the same buildings. This was a great plan for the developer and makes use of good solid buildings instead of filling the landfill with them.
I used to work in that area and had a walk around there a couple of years ago. I'm sure there were no worse places in Saskatoon, apart from some of the most dilapidated blocks in Riversdale. No sidewalks, run down houses, open air storm sewers and a playground straight out of Cabrini-Green. If you talk to a social worker or policeman, they can tell you lots of stories about that area as well.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2009, 6:03 AM
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I think a meeting would be a fantastic idea! Would be a great idea to really express our visions for Saskatoon, typing gets to be so....impersonal and cumbersome. Maybe along with this we could create some sort of letter that we could continuously send with joint ideas to the city. This would really have a lot more impact then a single letter. As well we may have more integrity b/c it is a representation of SSP. What does everyone think?
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G&M Article on Saskatoon Travel.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/travel/off-ice-action-in-saskatchewan/article1362658/

I'd like to see a good article along these lines, similar to the Ny times '36 Hours In..' series.
     
     
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Developer To Stand Before Saskatoon City Council

Lake Placid's Michael Lobsinger will address missed deadline

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Posted November 16, 2009 - 6:20am

It's a heavy agenda demanding many decisions.

Saskatoon City Council will meet for the first time since late September on Monday night. And the man behind an ambitious plan to develop the main attraction at River Landing will once again be under the spotlight.

Michael Lobsinger hoped to transform a portion of the site into a massive condo, retail, and hotel complex. Those plans seemingly died on the drawing board October 30th when the developer failed to come through with 4.5 million dollars for the city-owned land.

But Mayor Don Atchison says he's still interested in hearing what Lobsinger has to say.

All things transportation will also be big at the council meeting. Parking meter fares are expected to go up. The money will help pay for the 3rd Avenue streetscaping project. City bus fares could also be on the rise, if the hike is given the green light.

The city will also discuss spending $50,000 on a consultant to do an assessment of the city's taxi industry.

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It will be interesting to see what direction the city will take on this.

Maybe I'm a dreamer but I still have hope for this project.
     
     
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Here's some more details on LP.

Lake Placid comes back

Developer may attempt to revive plan for River Landing site

By David Hutton, The StarPhoenixNovember 16, 2009 7:49 AM


Lake Placid CEO Michael Lobsinger

Lake Placid CEO Michael Lobsinger
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Lake Placid developer Michael Lobsinger is expected to make a bid to keep his company's upscale River Landing development alive when he addresses Saskatoon city council tonight.

The Calgary-based developer is said to be making another pitch for Parcel Y, the prime piece of city-owned riverfront land that has been thrust once again into a state of limbo.

Lake Placid, the cornerstone private-sector investor involved with River Landing, missed a final land payment deadline Oct. 30, putting the property in the city's hands and terminating the land deal.

"Quite frankly, I don't know what he's going to say," said Mayor Don Atchison. "I hope that he has the money and would like to enter into discussions with us."

It's a critical development, said Atchison, given that much of the private-sector investment at River Landing relies upon the future of the Parcel Y site. With a $7-million investment in the site it's important to hear the company out, Atchison said.

When the agreement was terminated on Oct. 30, Lobsinger issued a news release stating the company believed funding could be in hand "shortly" and still wanted to be involved. The company has said the international credit crunch led to problems getting money to Canada for the River Landing Village project and another condo project in Calgary.

If the company now has the means to fund its proposed $250-million hotel-condo-office-retail development, it will be up to city council whether to sell the land directly to the company, reissue another request for proposals or go in a different direction altogether, perhaps breaking the parcel into sections or scaling back the grand vision for the site.

Those options will be laid out before council at the city's executive meeting on Nov. 23, said city manager Murray Totland.

"He (Lobsinger) hasn't shared with me what his message is," Totland said, "but it's not news to anyone that he's obviously still interested in developing Parcel Y."

If Lobsinger comes to council with funding in place for the site "it would be a pleasant circumstance," Totland said.

"We've supported their development and we still believe a Lake Placid-like development would be a good one for River Landing," he said.

Selling property directly to a company isn't without precedent and has often been done in the past if a tender has already been issued on a site.

But several councillors say it's time to move forward with new ideas.

"Mr. Lobsinger had his chance," said Coun. Pat Lorje. "We do not have a contract with him. He was granted two extensions. We've treated him fairly and if he wants to come in and talk we're always open to hearing people, but we don't have a contract with him and I think that he now lines up now with everyone else."
     
     
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He better come with the money in hand and not another "I can get the money, I promise!" speech or I think he'll be shown the door by most of the councilors.
     
     
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I don't think he would be here if he didn't have the money... It will be interesting to see what council does.
     
     
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Vacant Lots in Core

City to examine vacant lots

Incentives targeted before fines: officials

By David Hutton, The StarPhoenixNovember 16, 2009 9:25 AM



James McGovern enjoys the quiet but hates the mess.

The 42-year-old King George neighbourhood resident lives next door to three empty lots that, until a recent cleanup by the owner, looked like a decrepit enchanted forest with unkempt trees, overgrown grass, broken-down vehicles and a teetering wood shack marked with graffiti.

Beside the lots sit two dilapidated, two-storey houses with boarded up windows and doors, crumbling front porches and contravention notices from the city stapled to the doors.

The lots, left undeveloped by their owner for more than 20 years, have been the site of fires and parties and have contributed to broken-window syndrome in the area, neighbours say.

"It's fun because there's no neighbours," McGovern said. "But you don't know what's going to go on there, you don't know if the houses will be broken into and become a crack house.

"You don't know what's living over there."

It's a question that has vexed city planners for years: What to do with the scores of vacant lots that have become gritty, littered and often frightening symbols of urban decay.

An administration report on the question goes to city council tonight.

For the first time, the city surveyed the number of lots that sit empty in the core, finding an estimated 613 vacant sites, totalling close to 400 acres, inside of Circle Drive, the report says.

That's the equivalent of an entire new neighbourhood worth of vacancies.

It's a problem the city is looking to tackle first through development incentives before turning to stronger fines, officials say.

"We had no idea the number of sites was that high," said Alan Wallace, a senior city planner and the report's author. "We're paying for the maintenance of the street, yet the site isn't being used and instead we're building new things on the outskirts of the city."

The stories of how the lots became vacant are wide-ranging. Some are what remain of a fire or a demolition project, others stay vacant as their owners wait to sell until real estate prices rise higher while others are tied up in family disputes.

Whatever the reason, the city's vacant land and abandoned buildings are empty of activity but full of potential, Wallace said.

He points to programs in Hamilton and Edmonton where the owners of vacant sites, whether commercial or residential, are asked to give the city a statement of intent and a timeline for development.

"We're going to look at what's working on the carrot side and not the stick side yet," Wallace said of the city's desire to encourage development of the lots.

Some mechanism needs to be put in place to encourage development and also penalize those who are sitting on serviced land, said Coun. Pat Lorje. As the city sprawls, developing vacant property is critical to reducing operating costs, she said.

The city needs to consider a new tax class specifically for vacant properties, or an even more fundamental shift to attribute a property's tax to the land, rather than the structure built on it -- a change that would make vacant land costlier to hold.

The city's property tax structure, Lorje said, fails to leverage vacant land into productive uses. Levelling fines that grow each year a property isn't developed would help spur development, she said.

"Vacant lots end up generally being kind of everybody's land and nobody's land," Lorje said. "Too often they become abandoned, overrun with weeds and debris and sometimes end up being party pits."

Other cities have had success turning vacant sites into urban farms or community gardens. And with a growing community gardening movement that could be an option here, she said, if an incentive is put in place for the owners.

While incentive programs are needed, the city needs to focus on its own lots first, said Coun. Maurice Neault.

Of the 613 lots identified in the report, the city itself owns more than 150, Wallace said.

But Neault said the city should be focusing on turning as many of the larger sites as possible into 'pocket parks' with recreational equipment, small hockey rinks and basketball courts, for instance.

The next step would be to offer sponsorship opportunities to place a corporate logo in the parks to help shift the costs to the private sector, enticing companies to renovate and maintain dozens of vacant lots the city now own, he said.

"We need monkey bars and some pavement," he said. "Put the things in there they (area residents) need and they will use them."

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