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Old Posted Oct 31, 2009, 12:39 AM
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Don't look back, keep moving forward.

It was exciting! This was a project that many people in Western Canada were excited about.
Saskatoon is a beautiful city, River Landing will be completed with rich investment.
Let's now gear up for another project that will be reality. Saskatchewan, you deserve the best! Keep moving forward, the skies will only get brighter.

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Old Posted Oct 31, 2009, 1:14 AM
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Hey guys, heard the news from calgary here, ya i know it sucks, but that doesnt mean there will actually be bigger and better designs and projects coming very soon for saskatoon, besides saskatoon is to be the next calgary, even guys i work with say that. we are gonna see a lotta action soon... its just that thing all cities go through before they istantly boom, and not just, housing, its everything, including, comercial, and high rises. I def think these guys will be back, and def think there will be more proposals for high rises and better projects next yr and even more for the new decade. so keep the heads up, bc the next one is for sure gonna happen
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 31, 2009, 2:01 AM
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Email from Lake Placid Group...

"We are anticipating our financing iminently, and will be back to the city the day those funds come in effect."
After all of this, they are still trying to feed the public with this bull. Brutal.
     
     
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After all of this, they are still trying to feed the public with this bull. Brutal.
This is really disapointing. I don't know what to think. I was trying to be positive, but it's not easy. Seems like it was all just one big tease.

I hope something happens here soon. Lets just hope the project on the corner of 20th and 2nd Ave goes ahead as planned.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 31, 2009, 10:34 PM
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im sure something is gonna happen, like where is it said the next boom in canada is, everyone says its here, so something has to happen, otherewise everyone is lying or there aint no boom, something has got to happen soon
     
     
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So the days of Saska-boom have come to an abrupt end or is this just a glitch
     
     
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So the days of Saska-boom have come to an abrupt end or is this just a glitch
I'd say Lake Placid's River Landing project falling through has less to do with our local economy, and more to do with the global recession. Considering the fact they are trying to obtain funds from Cyprus...

I'm not particularly counting on anything kiwi4life is hearing from the road crew he works with in Calgary...
     
     
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This is disappointing to hear but I don't think we need to be overly concerned. Financial post has deemed SK to be the new Alberta and said Saskatoon is at the center of it! If we actually begin to tap into our oil reserves and if our Kimberlite mines and gold mines get going we are going to see a massive long term boom here. I wonder what the Saskatoon skyline will look like in 20 years *sits back and day dreams**
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2009, 3:05 AM
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Lux, Discovery Plaza, KG

Looks like the Lux, Discovery Plaza, KG are all finished construction. I was driving around today and wanted to take a few pictures, but didn't have my camera. Does anyone have any pictures they want to share?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2009, 5:16 AM
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This is disappointing to hear but I don't think we need to be overly concerned. Financial post has deemed SK to be the new Alberta and said Saskatoon is at the center of it! If we actually begin to tap into our oil reserves and if our Kimberlite mines and gold mines get going we are going to see a massive long term boom here. I wonder what the Saskatoon skyline will look like in 20 years *sits back and day dreams**
I'm definitely looking forward to the future. But I think Regina will be the centre of the oil portion of the boom. Saskatoon will probably have the diamonds and it already has the Potash and Uranium. The oil is in the south and we also already have the big upgrader (which is undergoing a 4 billion dollar expansion overall if I remember correctly).

Things are definitely looking up for both of our province's cities. Crappy about the Lake Placid deal though; was a very nice looking development.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2009, 5:55 AM
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I'd say Lake Placid's River Landing project falling through has less to do with our local economy, and more to do with the global recession. Considering the fact they are trying to obtain funds from Cyprus...

I'm not particularly counting on anything kiwi4life is hearing from the road crew he works with in Calgary...
well actually i dont work on a road crew, that aint proper construction, im training as a carpenter alongside a journeyman, helping build the deck of a bridge. so think twice bout what your saying mate, i dont mean to be a jerk, but dont come up with the false stuff, if your not sure, ask. thanks.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2009, 5:59 AM
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but GTR200 im sure something will happen in saskatoon mate, no joke,its gotta happen, if this is where the next boom is dont u agree?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2009, 6:09 AM
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well actually i dont work on a road crew, that aint proper construction, im training as a carpenter alongside a journeyman, helping build the deck of a bridge. so think twice bout what your saying mate, i dont mean to be a jerk, but dont come up with the false stuff, if your not sure, ask. thanks.
I beg your pardon.

I'm not particularly counting on anything kiwi4life is hearing from the construction crew he works with in Calgary...
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2009, 6:38 AM
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I'm definitely looking forward to the future. But I think Regina will be the centre of the oil portion of the boom. Saskatoon will probably have the diamonds and it already has the Potash and Uranium. The oil is in the south and we also already have the big upgrader (which is undergoing a 4 billion dollar expansion overall if I remember correctly).

Things are definitely looking up for both of our province's cities. Crappy about the Lake Placid deal though; was a very nice looking development.
I don't think the location of the oil itself has anything to do with which city will reap the most reward. The oil in Alberta is closer to Edmonton but Calgary is the centre of it all. I would say Saskatoon has a stronger business environment which will most likely entice more new business in the province then Regina.

And it really isn't my place to say this but we should try to keep catty remarks to ourselves or we will end up with hundreds of useless posts like in the Regina forum.
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And it really isn't my place to say this but we should try to keep catty remarks to ourselves or we will end up with hundreds of useless posts like in the Regina forum.
Thank-you for that ironic and hypocritical statement.
Nevertheless, you are right, I apologize. I'll stop.
     
     
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I don't think the location of the oil itself has anything to do with which city will reap the most reward. The oil in Alberta is closer to Edmonton but Calgary is the centre of it all. I would say Saskatoon has a stronger business environment which will most likely entice more new business in the province then Regina.

And it really isn't my place to say this but we should try to keep catty remarks to ourselves or we will end up with hundreds of useless posts like in the Regina forum.
Were you referring to my post? If so, I'm not sure what you mean... I was just saying that given the location of the largest upgrader in the province, the fact that it is undergoing a huge expansion and the location of the oil, it might be Regina that gets the oil business. Also Regina has a closer proximity to Calgary, so that can also have an affect on where things go, although the difference from Calgary to Regina and Calgary to Saskatoon is pretty negligible in the grand scheme of things.

Your point regarding Calgary being the oil capital of Alberta is a good one though. Regina has however, been pursuing having the oil business here, so we really won't know where it's going to be until things start moving along maybe 3 years down the road when oil demand starts to rise up to past levels.
     
     
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Taken from http://www.gov.sk.ca/Default.aspx?DN=4a57f37e-88de-4da5-b6a8-411793a739d5

Saskatchewan's oil production is second only to Alberta among Canadian provinces, and provides about 20% of all Canadian production. The province's daily production was 425,000 barrels/day in 2001; in comparison, the world's largest oil exporting country, Saudi Arabia, produced on average 8.5 million barrels/day in 2001.

Saskatchewan produces significant petroleum volumes from four major regions: Lloydminster, Kindersley-Kerrobert, Swift Current, and Weyburn-Estevan. The province has an 80,000 barrel/day refinery owned by Federated Co-op at Regina, an asphalt refinery at Moose Jaw, as well as two upgrading operations for heavy oil: one in Lloydminster, owned by Husky Energy, and one in Regina, owned by Federated Co-op and the province. The upgraders process heavy oil into a light synthetic oil which is easier to transport and has a higher value.

Saskatchewan is less important as a producer of natural gas. Most of the production takes place in the Swift Current region. The natural gas is predominantly dry, which means that natural gas liquids such as ethane (used in plastics and petrochemical production) and propane (used for transportation and a portable heating fuel) are not present in large quantities. The earliest exploration in Saskatchewan can be traced back to an unsuccessful effort to drill for natural gas in the 1880s in the Belle Plaine area near Regina. Exploration continued intermittently until the first commercial oil well in Saskatchewan was finally discovered in Lloydminster in 1943, but it represented only a modest discovery at the time: the Lloydminster oil was of such heavy gravity and high viscosity that it was difficult to produce, transport, and process into petroleum products.

Major commercial development of Saskatchewan oil began in the early 1950s, and by the end of the 1950s the province was a significant oil-producing region. Favourable geology for oil and natural gas production has been unevenly distributed in the western Canadian sedimentary basin, which includes areas in BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

Early development of Saskatchewan oil was dominated by large integrated multi-national oil companies. In the last two decades of the 20th century, these older companies sold most of their oil wells and land rights positions, so that the majority of Saskatchewan production now comes from younger, large Canadian and American independent (non-integrated) companies. There is also considerable activity on the part of more than 100 small oil companies with operations ranging from one to a dozen wells. Oil production trends in the province have been uneven: a peak in oil production was reached in the mid-1960s, followed by a low in production in the early 1980s, and then growth towards a new peak yet to be reached. Oil production growth in the 1990s was substantial, doubling from 1990 to 2001. Output in the mid-1990s surpassed the previous peak from the 1960s.

A major driver for expanded Saskatchewan oil production in the 1990s was horizontal well drilling, which dramatically increased well productivity. Widespread use of horizontal well drilling was pioneered in Saskatchewan, the Saskatchewan Research Council playing a substantial role in the research and development of that innovative technology.

In the second half of the 20th century, oil and gas production became an increasingly important part of the provincial economy, by 2001 representing 9% of the economic value created in the province and gross sales of $5.1 billion. Most of Saskatchewan oil production is currently exported to Minnesota and to the mid-western region of the United States, but substantial amounts are also shipped to Ontario. Saskatchewan is only a small net exporter of natural gas: relative consumption of natural gas within the province is quite high compared to the rest of Canada, as natural gas is a critical input to the province's energy-intensive mining, iron and steel, fertilizer, refinery, and heavy oil upgrader operations. Oil and natural gas provide a major source of government revenue through taxes on the value of production and sale of land rights. Annual revenues fluctuate depending on the international price of oil and the North American price of natural gas: from 1995 to 2000, direct oil and gas revenues ranged from a low of $500 million to over $1 billion, equal to 10-25% of all tax revenue raised in Saskatchewan.
     
     
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The whole Lake Placid development fiasco isn't a sign of the Saska-boom bubble busting IMO. I do think it's a wake up call to City Hall (specifically Mayor Atch) to do better due dillegence prior to getting into agreements with developers in the future though.
     
     
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The whole Lake Placid development fiasco isn't a sign of the Saska-boom bubble busting IMO. I do think it's a wake up call to City Hall (specifically Mayor Atch) to do better due dillegence prior to getting into agreements with developers in the future though.
I guess, although I think everyone was so wowed by what LP offered after the string of non-starters, that they just jumped onboard, so anybody that wanted guarantees of a plan would have been pushed out of the way. (Didn't they call that "irrational exuberance" in the dot-com era?)

So now that Saskatoon has taken back the land (I assume it simply automatically falls back to Saskatoon because LP never paid for it), I suspect they'll probably do something painful like issue another request for proposals, for the sake of looking like they're doing something, while waiting for LP to finally get the financing they needed.

I was hopeful, a while back that LP would buy the land if they'd managed to round up even 4.5 of the 200 million they needed to complete the project. But I suspect banks won't let businesses operate like that. You either have all the money to move ahead with the project, or you don't. If this is the case, we have no idea just how close LP was to hitting their financing goal, and who knows, before Saskatoon can do anything else with that land, LP may come a-knockin once more, financing docs (and money for the land) in hand.

That's me, trying to stay positive. Here's hoping.
     
     
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Besides, now Atch can focus on other project, like a citywide recycling program. Whoops, that was Swystun....
     
     
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