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Barry Weller and Jack Stirling (Minto) are on TalkOttawa right now (Rogers 22) discussing the OMB... repeat at midnight and other times.

Interesting info... the planner the city used in Manotick was the 17th planner they'd approached

edit: All in all, itt wasn't the most cordial discussion
The planner is from Port Hope and I believe the City had used him before. To be honest, when you are trying to defend a City Council position and you are up against the firepower of Minto and their team, it is pretty hard to win.

I caught the last couple of minutes with Weller and Stirling and Stirling looked like he would rather be anywhere else.

Q...has Weller ever been at the OMB or before City Council as an applicant etc. or has he always been an 'expert' on urban issues. He does tend to run on and on and very anti-developer.
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Wellar, B., "Expert Witness and Evidence Summation of Argument Statements," Ontario Municipal Board Hearing in the matter of Proposed Amendment No. 8 to the Official Plan to the Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton, Proposed Official Plan Amendment No. 7 to the Official Plan for the City of Kanata, and appeal against zoning By-law No. 125-90 for the City of Kanata (OMB File Nos. 0900207, 0910004, R910015) for lands otherwise known as the "Ottawa Palladium" (and subsequently the "Corel Center"). Ottawa: Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton, 1991.

Wellar, B., "Expert Witness Statement", Ontario Municipal Board Hearing in the matter of Proposed Amendment No. 4 to the Official Plan for the Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton, Referral Item 8 and Referral Item 9 of the Official Plan of the Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton, and zoning By-law 335-90 or amended by zoning By-law 10-91, City of Ottawa. (OMB File Nos. 0900022, 910032, and R910120). Ottawa: Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton, 1992.




During the program he was arguing that he was the only person saying at the OMB hearing for the Palladium that they would need to widen the Queensway (he discounted all the other development since then), and he hoped that all the engineers who testified otherwise were no longer appearing as expert witnesses or appearing as professional engineers...

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During the program he was arguing that he was the only person saying at the OMB hearing for the Palladium that they would need to widen the Queensway (he discounted all the other development since then), and he hoped that all the engineers who testified otherwise were no longer appearing as expert witnesses or appearing as professional engineers...
Is his background in traffic planning or land use planning..either way, he can easily rub people the wrong way, but I gather he is a friend of Holmes/Doucet etc and not a friend of the 'development' community.

If the planner from Port Hope was the 17th choice, I wonder who else they asked.
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During the program he was arguing that he was the only person saying at the OMB hearing for the Palladium that they would need to widen the Queensway (he discounted all the other development since then), and he hoped that all the engineers who testified otherwise were no longer appearing as expert witnesses or appearing as professional engineers...
Is his background in traffic planning or land use planning..either way, he can easily rub people the wrong way, but I gather he is a friend of Holmes/Doucet etc and not a friend of the 'development' community.

If the planner from Port Hope was the 17th choice, I wonder who else they asked.
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Oops, double post.
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Oops, double post.
You and me both (wondring who else they asked). Who was it from Port Hope?

I can't even list 17 planning shops in town.
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You and me both (wondring who else they asked). Who was it from Port Hope?

I can't even list 17 planning shops in town.
Robert (Bob) Clarke...Clarke Consulting. He has in the past represented the City, and lost, for a property at 1445 Merivale where Arnon appealed a City Council decision on an item where Arnon had City Staff support. At that time, his knowledge of Ottawa detailed issues was questioned.

I also believe that Dr. Gary Davidson gave evidence for the City...I believe he is or was the Planning Director for Huron County (may be in private practice now) and has been head of CIP recently.
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Robert (Bob) Clarke...Clarke Consulting. He has in the past represented the City, and lost, for a property at 1445 Merivale where Arnon appealed a City Council decision on an item where Arnon had City Staff support. At that time, his knowledge of Ottawa detailed issues was questioned.

I also believe that Dr. Gary Davidson gave evidence for the City...I believe he is or was the Planning Director for Huron County (may be in private practice now) and has been head of CIP recently.
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During the program [Barry Wellar] was arguing that he was the only person saying at the OMB hearing for the Palladium that they would need to widen the Queensway (he discounted all the other development since then), and he hoped that all the engineers who testified otherwise were no longer appearing as expert witnesses or appearing as professional engineers...
The only way to answer that question one way or another would be to determine what traffic on the Queensway was like on game nights in the first couple of years or so after the Palladium opened. There would not be any other additional development that wasn't already being accounted for (like there is today). So, if the Queensway jammed up in that early period on gamenights he would have been correct. If not, he would have been incorrect (though the recession would complicate that a bit).

I honestly can't recall - I wasn't driving back then and we always took the bus going to games. So I decided to look it up and sure enough, there were traffic problems from the outset of its opening in January 1996. I looked at Citizen articles and letters and there was plenty of bad press about traffic when it opened. The opening event, a Bryan Adams concert, was a nightmare with a tailback extending to Woodroffe. The next one was better, but only because people started using other roads like Hazeldean as well as carpooling and transit. A year later, here's where things stood:


Ottawa Citizen, Jan 16, 1997.
OPINION: Despite quibbles about driving, Corel Centre is smash hit
Michael Prentice


Build it and they will come -- even if it's in a former cornfield out of town.

In the year since the building opened, the Corel Centre has proved a resounding success, even though problems remain in getting to and from the place.

Critics grumble it's too far from downtown Ottawa -- a 20-minute drive on the Queensway when traffic is light and roads are dry, at least 30 minutes in rush hour or bad weather, or when there's a capacity crowd of 18,000.
The Corel Centre, which opened as the Palladium, is a big-city facility surrounded by a small-city road system. Traffic and parking remain the biggest source of complaints.

But Dave Dakers, director of event services, says the situation has been greatly improved from when the building opened. After a sell-out event, it usually takes about 37 minutes to empty the parking lots, he says.

The problem is the inadequacy of the Queensway, which is only two lanes wide in each direction from the Corel Centre to Moodie Drive on the outskirts of Ottawa. Dakers says attendants could empty the parking lots more quickly if traffic wasn't so sluggish on the Queensway.

No relief is in sight. The Ontario transportation ministry isn't considering widening the highway between the Corel Centre and Eagleson Road. If there is any widening of the highway in the next few years, it would be between Eagleson Road and Moodie Drive, government officials say.

What impact is the Corel Centre's location having on attendance?

According to a public opinion survey done for the National Hockey League's Ottawa Senators last fall, 54 per cent of local residents describing themselves as hockey fans did not attend a single game in the Corel Centre during the team's first half-season there.

Among those self-described hockey fans, 11 per cent said the arena's location was the main reason they had not been to a game. That figure paled compared with the 55 per cent of hockey fans who said the high price of tickets (or their lack of cash or their perception that prices are too high) was the chief factor keeping them away.

Roger Newton, executive director of the Corel Centre, doubts the building's location has any impact on attendance. Newton, who has previous experience in the United States running a building as large, says first-year attendance almost exactly met his expectation.

"Crowds compared favorably with those in other cities for the same events, such as concerts,'' says Newton. "I've got to conclude that our location has not had any impact. For many people, we are only a 15-minute drive. It's not as if many people were being asked to drive an hour to get here.''

It would be difficult to overestimate the impact of the Corel Centre, or the Hull Casino, the other entertainment centre that opened in the region in the last year. Between them, the two buildings are closing in on combined attendance of five million people in their first year of operation.

The Corel Centre has drawn more than 1.5 million. Casino attendance is expected to be about 3.5 million by the time it reaches its first anniversary on March 24.

A measure of the Corel Centre's success is that it is attracting more people to non-hockey events than are attending such events at the new Molson Centre in Montreal, which has the advantage for some of being in the heart of downtown.

The Molson Centre may draw slightly more people than the Corel Centre in its first full year -- but only because the National Hockey League's Montreal Canadiens consistently outdraw the Ottawa Senators.

The Corel Centre has meant more big-name rock concerts and more big-budget ice shows, such as Walt Disney's Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, which will be here Feb. 19-23.

But it has not made that much difference to choice of entertainment in the region. So far, we've had no big-name opera stars, no classical music galas, no exhibition tennis featuring top international players, even though these are the kind of events for which we're told no suitable venue previously existed in this area.

The biggest difference the Corel Centre has brought is in the comfort and atmosphere at an event.

The Ottawa Civic Centre, former home of the Ottawa Senators, is the biggest loser. The city-owned facility has lost about $800,000 a year, which is what it earned during the 3 1/2 seasons the Senators played there.
But business is picking up at the Civic Centre in other areas, according to John Gray, who manages the building and other Lansdowne Park facilities for the city.

The Civic Centre now has more dates available for trade and consumer shows, the number of which is now back up to the level it was before the Senators came on the scene in 1992, he says. In addition, the Civic Centre has made itself a more attractive location for concerts by partitioning the 10,000-capacity arena into smaller arenas, Gray says.

Top-priced seats for hockey games at the Corel Centre cost $75, far too expensive for most people. But, for the least popular games, seat prices start at $13.50, including tax. A seat for the upcoming Disney ice show costs as little as $12.50.

The Corel Centre still has been unable to lease about 50 of its 147 suites. That may be because the best suite still available costs more than $100,000 a year.

Planned improvements at the Corel Centre in the next few months include a warmer place for smokers, who must go outside the building if they want to light up, says Corel Centre official Cyril Leeder.

Further ahead, it's planned to extend the building's lobby outward, Newton says. The lobby, where most customers enter, is too crowded and too cold in the winter, he concedes.

The Corel Centre is in the running to be named the best new major concert venue in North America, a U.S. award that would add to its prestige and help attract big-name acts.

In any case, it's hard to argue with those who say it's one of the world's best indoor arenas.



So, on balance, it would appear that Wellar was right and the traffic engineers who testified that there wouldn't be problems were wrong. However, he was not the only testifying that there would be problems. A transportation engineer testifying on behalf of the Ministry of Agriculture and Food by the name of Paul Bunt had predicted most of the problems that would occur, including the use of other roads.
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The only way to answer that question one way or another would be to determine what traffic on the Queensway was like on game nights in the first couple of years or so after the Palladium opened. There would not be any other additional development that wasn't already being accounted for (like there is today). So, if the Queensway jammed up in that early period on gamenights he would have been correct. If not, he would have been incorrect (though the recession would complicate that a bit).
It's really funny how things have changed (in a way). Complaints about highway upgrades, while now, you have people screaming at more transit options instead. Expensive tickets, $75? I would love to see tickets at $15 again! In the warm place for smokers, hillarious.
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The only way to answer that question one way or another would be to determine what traffic on the Queensway was like on game nights in the first couple of years or so after the Palladium opened. There would not be any other additional development that wasn't already being accounted for (like there is today). So, if the Queensway jammed up in that early period on gamenights he would have been correct. If not, he would have been incorrect (though the recession would complicate that a bit).
Since the hearing there have been some major ROPAs and OPAs expanding the urban area... according to this chart they have only been in Kanata. Population and employment have doubled or tripled in Kanatittsvile (the latter is especially important since jobs in Kanata are much harder to get to by transit than those in the central city)



Plus new things like Highway 7 to Carleton Place and 417 to the West End
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Mattamy's SPIRIT series of homes has designs been launched... now on their pre-registration page they have a new community called 'Grand Vista Circle'
http://mattamyhomes.com/ottawa/tellus/preregister.asp

at the building homes.ca forums a poster suggested that the Grand Vista Circle development may be at the east end of Half Moon Bay near the parks, swm, and trails... perhaps executive homes?

http://www.buildinghomes.ca/communit...ead.php?t=9580
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City council to appeal OMB decision

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BY PATRICK DARE, THE OTTAWA CITIZENAPRIL 22, 2009 11:08 PM


OTTAWA -- Ottawa Council, which was soundly defeated at the Ontario Municipal Board over its attempt to stop Minto Developments from expanding Manotick village, will try to fight the developer at Divisional Court.

Ottawa Council voted Wednesday night to seek leave to appeal the decision by the municipal board to allow Minto’s proposed expansion of Manotick by 1,400 homes.

Council rejected the expansion, saying it was too much development too fast. But the city’s own planners had supported the expansion and the board ruled that it was in accordance with the city’s official plan.

Councillors voted 13-5 to pursue an appeal, with councillors such as Diane Deans, Maria McRae and Peggy Feltmate arguing that it’s important that municipal councils stand up to the municipal board.

Deans said the board sides with developers, McRae said local councils’ wishes are not respected and Feltmate said her voters are fed up with municipal-board decisions that favour developers.

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BY PATRICK DARE, THE OTTAWA CITIZENAPRIL 22, 2009 11:08 PM


OTTAWA -- Ottawa Council, which was soundly defeated at the Ontario Municipal Board over its attempt to stop Minto Developments from expanding Manotick village, will try to fight the developer at Divisional Court.

Ottawa Council voted Wednesday night to seek leave to appeal the decision by the municipal board to allow Minto’s proposed expansion of Manotick by 1,400 homes.

Council rejected the expansion, saying it was too much development too fast. But the city’s own planners had supported the expansion and the board ruled that it was in accordance with the city’s official plan.

Councillors voted 13-5 to pursue an appeal, with councillors such as Diane Deans, Maria McRae and Peggy Feltmate arguing that it’s important that municipal councils stand up to the municipal board.

Deans said the board sides with developers, McRae said local councils’ wishes are not respected and Feltmate said her voters are fed up with municipal-board decisions that favour developers.

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I wonder how that will work. My understanding is that you can't appeal the planning decisions of the OMB, just matters of process. Does the city have a case that due process wasn't followed?
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I wonder how that will work. My understanding is that you can't appeal the planning decisions of the OMB, just matters of process. Does the city have a case that due process wasn't followed?
Probably not, but that has never stopped this Council. They are just mad that they were trounced at the OMB and their own planning department staff and legal department suggested that they do a deal and they didn't listen to that advice. They ended up getting the 17th choice planning consultant who had no connection to Ottawa.

I'm not familiar with the process to appeal an OMB decision. Is this held in divisional court and is only a place for lawyers to argue it or is it like a full blown OMB hearing.

I wonder how much of a time delay this puts on things. I would think that final design work etc for the Manotick project could proceed but the shovel in the ground won't happen until there is a final, final decision.

This smacks of being a sore loser
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BY PATRICK DARE , THE OTTAWA CITIZENAPRIL 23, 2009 6:02 PMBE THE FIRST TO POST A COMMENT


Some Ottawa councillors think the provincial agency that keeps overturning their decisions is tilted towards developers, but the city councillor who heads the Association of Municipalities of Ontario says it isn’t so.

Councillors were harsh in their criticism of the Ontario Municipal Board on Wednesday night when they decided to try to fight the board’s decision on the expansion of Manotick.

Councillor Diane Deans called the board “one-sided” and “dysfunctional.” Others said board officials adjudicating cases don’t really take into account the views of communities and elected councils.

But Councillor Peter Hume, president of the Association of Municipalities of Ontario, says: “It’s not a fair criticism.”

He said a municipal board decision released this week, involving a proposed three-house development in his ward of Alta Vista, shows that the community sometimes wins at the OMB. The board ruled against a pair of developers who wanted to build three houses at Fairbanks Avenue and Faircrest Road, saying the houses would have been an overdevelopment of the small lots.

Hume says in the case, won by the community opponents of the development, solid planning arguments and facts won the day.

By contrast, the City of Ottawa is struggling to find expert evidence and arguments on which to base its contests at the municipal board, which is a quasi-judicial body. Hume noted that in the recent case of a proposed hotel in Kanata, the city could not find an expert to support its decision against the development. The city had to drop its opposition to the hotel.

Hume said part of municipal leadership is to tell neighbourhood people that development must go ahead regardless of peoples’ feelings.

Hume supports city council’s decision to try to appeal the municipal board decision on Manotick in Divisional Court. He said the appeal is necessary because the city and other Ontario municipalities need to clarify the meaning of Bill 51, the provincial law that was supposed to strengthen the authority of elected councils in development approvals. The municipal board must “have regard for” the wishes of elected councils. But Hume says it’s not clear what that phrase means.

Dennis Jacobs, a former director of planning at the City of Ottawa, said the Ontario Municipal Board is an easier vehicle for the public to deal with in development matters than the courts would be.

Jacobs said the board uses provincial development guidelines and the official plans of the municipalities to arrive at decisions. He said cases must be based on planning law and property rights.

The OMB case being appealed by the city involved the proposed expansion of Manotick village by Minto Developments. Opponents of the development, including Councillor Glenn Brooks, say the expansion is too fast and will destroy the village atmosphere of the community.

But the city’s own planners supported the development, saying it fits within the city’s official plan.

Not all councillors want the city to continue fighting the Manotick case. Councillor Jan Harder said Wednesday night that the city had been consistently warned that it had a weak case on Manotick but insisted on going ahead with the fight. It cost $637,000 in direct legal and planning costs for the city. Minto has spent about $1.5 million presenting its case.

Harder said more delays won’t help Manotick residents get a development that fits the village.

She said spending more money on the case is “beyond stupid.”

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How much is fighting for a principle worth?

That's what city councillors wrestled with this week when they decided to go ahead with an appeal of an Ontario Municipal Board decision which would see 1,400 more housing units built in the village of Manotick.

The city fought the Minto development at the OMB -- against the advice of their own staff -- and lost.

The fight cost taxpayers close to $700,000.

On Wednesday, they agreed to attempt to appeal the decision, a move some believe is just throwing good taxpayer money after bad.

"There's a point where you realize you've got a lost cause and you're better to fish or cut bait. We know we're not going to win this. To fight on a principle isn't going to serve anyone," said Innes Coun. Rainer Bloess, one of five who voted against trying to appeal.

Bloess backed the initial OMB fight, in part to support his council colleague Glenn Brooks, whose ward includes Manotick.

"Council had taken a strong decision in terms of how we saw the village of Manotick develop and I thought it was worthwhile defending that position. But the realization has to sink in. We're not winning on a legal basis, so maybe we should decide to see what we can salvage.

"The danger is, we know the outcome of the OMB was pretty clear. The outcome (of an appeal) is pretty cloudy. The risk is that the cost comes back on us. We delay, we wear the cost of the legal challenge. Aren't you better off trying to work out the best possible deal you can?" Bloess asked.

Barrhaven Coun. Jan Harder has been one of the most vocal opponents of fighting causes at the OMB that are destined for failure -- fights that don't even have the support of the city's own staff.

"The time for working with the community is at the start," she said.

She has succeeded in the past in working with her community and developers to reach a compromise that both sides can live with.

"If you know there's no way to win, that's when you need to find the best deal for your community.

"The people of Manotick are being used as litmus paper. I feel bad for them," she said, arguing it would be far more effective to work with the Association of Municipalities of Ontario to effect change.

Bloess says while some councillors have had those kinds of successes, it's extremely hard for a local councillor to tell constituents the battle can't be won.

"It's very difficult to tell your residents that. I've done it. But here's the reality: It's not well received, but there's an obligation to be pragmatic. This is the reality we're dealing with," he said.

Orleans Coun. Bob Monette, one of 13 to vote in favour of trying to appeal, said sometimes you have to fight for a principle -- for the good of the city.

"Over and over again, developers tell us, if you don't like it, we're going to the OMB. So I really felt we had to take a stand. It's not against Minto. It's not against Manotick. It's about Bill 51. I don't know what the chances are, but I believe it's worth a try," Monette said.

As for comments made by local boy and Municipal Affairs Minister Jim Watson that the province has been looking at changes to the OMB, Monette said he's happy to pursue every avenue to solve the problem.

It's easy to sympathize with Brooks' desire to please his constituents.

But what's difficult to understand is why more effort isn't being made to solve the real problem -- without squandering tax dollars in the process.


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First off, Diane Deans should look at city council and it's governance to find the true meaning of "dysfunctional". Secondly, anyone else here feel that Peter Hume is one of the few Councillors who seems to have his head screwed on straight?
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That's an interesting point from Peter Hume, I didn't really consider that part of Bill 51, but it would be interesting to see how it turns out. I doubt it will make a difference though - "have regard to" is a pretty weak statement in my opinion. The old PPS used the same language, which was generally considered to be too weak and was strengthened to "shall be consistent with".
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This proposed $1-billion project in Aylmer between the Rivermead and Chateau Cartier golfcourse as well as near the Champlain Bridge would see 2500 units including possibly four 15-story towers as well as some commercial and office space but no big box stores planned. The developer said it would resemble somewhat the Tremblant village.
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