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Old Posted Apr 12, 2009, 6:42 AM
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I don't think the OMB should be abolished. It should just have its mandate changed. Currently, cases that are heard by the OMB are done so "de novo" (as if they haven't been heard before by another body, i.e. city council). This lack of recognition of previous judgment causes the OMB to ignore the reasons for past rejection. If their mandate was changed so as to be required to have greater consideration for past municipal-level decisions, most outcomes would be different.
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I don't think the OMB should be abolished. It should just have its mandate changed. Currently, cases that are heard by the OMB are done so "de novo" (as if they haven't been heard before by another body, i.e. city council). This lack of recognition of previous judgment causes the OMB to ignore the reasons for past rejection. If their mandate was changed so as to be required to have greater consideration for past municipal-level decisions, most outcomes would be different.
there were some recent changes of that kind
http://www.mah.gov.on.ca/Page1456.aspx

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The OMB is the independent body that handles appeals on planning matters. Changes were made to the planning system to better align the OMB’s role in land use planning matters with municipal and provincial interests. Some of these changes include:
  • Requiring the OMB to have regard for local planning decisions.
  • Requiring that the OMB will generally hear appeals based on the application that was presented to municipal council. In addition, if new information is determined to be significant, the OMB may send it back to council for consideration.
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Harder said the city spent $1.4 million defending council’s decision. She said the OMB warned the city it had little chance of winning and urged it to reach a settlement with Minto.

“I’m absolutely not surprised in any way,” she said. “We were told the city would lose.”
That is one hell of a legal bill....I gather there was the City lawyer, an outside planning consultant and maybe outside engineering consultants etc., but really $1.4 million. I'm sure that would be way more than Minto's costs.

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Expert sounds alarm over OMB
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Expert+sounds+alarm+over/1492944/story.html
Says province, minister have some explaining to do after board vetoes council on Manotick plan

BY MOHAMMED ADAM, THE OTTAWA CITIZENAPRIL 13, 2009 11:22 PM


OTTAWA — The City of Ottawa should demand an explanation from the provincial government on how the Ontario Municipal Board can overrule city council on a massive expansion of Manotick despite promises three years ago that Ontario cities would control how they grow, one of Ottawa’s leading urban planners says.

Barry Wellar, professor emeritus of urban planning at the University of Ottawa, says if the OMB, a provincial agency whose members can override city planning decisions, can ride into town and repudiate elected representatives on growth that could cost taxpayers millions of dollars, there’s no point in doing long-term planning in Ontario. Wellar says Ottawa council should demand answers from the government, particularly Municipal Affairs Minister Jim Watson, a former Ottawa mayor who represents Ottawa West-Nepean.

“What Dalton McGuinty said a few years ago, what other ministers said, was that the government was going to reform the OMB and give cities the power to control their own futures. Then council makes a decision on how it wants to grow and the OMB comes to town and repudiates it,” Wellar said.

“It seems like fraud. You are the government and you are saying to municipalities, ‘Control your destinies, plan what you can afford,’ and then the OMB walks in and says, ‘We don’t care, we will do it our way.’ Jim Watson has to explain this.

“If AMO, the Association of Municipalities of Ontario, is not worried about this, they should. It makes planning a waste of time.”

Neither AMO president Peter Hume — who is also the Ottawa councillor for Alta Vista and chairman of the planning committee — nor senior city officials could be reached for comment because of the Easter Monday holiday.

The development at the heart of the controversy is the 1,400-house Mahogany subdivision planned by Minto Communities Inc. In February 2008, council rejected the project because not only did it not fit with the rural character of Manotick, it fell short of the city’s official plan and the village’s secondary plan.

Minto appealed to the OMB and, last week, the board overruled the city and gave the developer the green light for a plan that could double Manotick’s population by 2020.

The city spent $638,000 in a futile bid to stop the development, which was initially approved by its planners.

Area Councillor Glenn Brooks just can’t understand the board’s lack of regard for council’s decision.

Wellar said planning changes were supposed to empower towns and cities to make final decisions on growth. He said Bill 51, which became law in 2006, was sold to the public as the legislation that would take major planning decisions out of the hands of the OMB and hand them back to elected politicians.

“We want to put land-use planning decisions back where they belong — in the hands of municipal decision-makers. We want to give Ontario municipalities more power to determine what is best for their communities,” then Municipal Affairs minister John Gerretsen said in 2005.

But the Minto decision, Wellar said, shows that “the law is a failure.”

He said with the development likely to cost millions of dollars in new services and maintenance costs over several decades, the city should make sure that the developer pays “every single cent for every piece of road, sidewalk, pipe” that is required.

“The public should not be stuck with paying millions for this,” he said.

One of the problems councillors faced was that their planners backed the development and Wellar said the city should review the principles by which staff approve such projects.

“This contradicts everything the city has been saying about smart growth. It is inconceivable that city staff and politicians should be on different sides of the ledge on this,” he said.

Barry Padolsky, an Ottawa architect and urban planner, said he hasn’t read the OMB’s decision and couldn’t say whether it is a one-off or sets a precedent that would erode the city planning authority. But he noted that across Ontario, and Canada, the overwhelming view is that towns and cities must have the last word on major planning decisions.

“There is a consensus that in the field of municipal planning, we should be moving towards removing decisions from provincial tribunals,” Padolsky said. “Municipal governments have matured and people expect that in matters of planning, the buck stops at the municipality.

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this denley article from last summer was an interesting read... sounds like they could have gotten a much better deal through mediation.

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Randall Denley
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Thursday, August 28, 2008

City councillors will meet in private today to hear why they should abandon their opposition to a development that would quickly expand Manotick, ultimately doubling its size. An Ontario Municipal Board-mediated compromise is on the table and councillors will be told that the city won't win if it goes to a full board hearing.

The issue is not whether Manotick should expand, but when. The city's official plan gives Minto Developments the right to build at least 1,400 homes on land it owns abutting the existing village. The city's interpretation is that only 250 homes can be built between now and 2020, according to the secondary plan, which was the result of significant community consultation. Minto wants to start building as soon as possible. Community association representatives argue that it would be a mistake to add a large number of homes without the roads in place to handle the traffic.

Back in February, councillors said no to moving up the timing of the expansion. Minto filed an appeal with the OMB. Earlier this summer, the developer, the city and West Manotick Community Association representatives met with an OMB mediator to search for a solution.

Community association president Brian Tansley says his group dropped out of the mediation on the third day. Tansley believes the mediation was just a pretext to put another deal in front of city council.

Outside legal staff are expected to tell councillors today that the city cannot win the OMB appeal and that to fight it would cost $750,000, according to Councillor Jan Harder, who believes the development should go ahead. Ward councillor Glenn Brooks, who has opposed the deal, was unavailable for comment.

As a result of the mediation, Minto has agreed to reduce the number of houses it will build in the first 10 years to about 500 and tie that development to the provision of adequate roads, Harder says.

The company "has listened to the community about the pace of growth," says Minto vice-president Jack Stirling. Minto's earlier position had been to request 1,000 homes by 2020, and more later.

This is one of the trickiest development issues that city council has had to face. Councillors find themselves caught between a community that wants slow growth, at most, and a developer who wants to go faster. The city's secondary plan doesn't appear to allow as much growth as Minto wants, and it's important to stick to those plans. They are created with significant community involvement and if they can be rewritten simply because there is a development proposal, they are are of no value at all.

No one is saying why the city is in such a weak position at the OMB. It's true that city staff did recommend that Minto be accommodated, but the staff argument was far from compelling. Minto has suggested that the secondary plan itself is poorly constructed because it identifies a large area for growth and insists that such growth be on city sewers, then allows such a low rate of growth that no one would find development economically viable. That was the handiwork of planners in the former Rideau Township.

The city's real intent in Manotick has always been suspect. Shortly after saying no to speeding up the Minto plan, councillors approved a $27-million sewage pipeline to Manotick. That pipeline is critical to the Minto development going ahead, but its ostensible purpose is to serve 376 homes and businesses with failing septic tanks. That is a longstanding problem, but the city saw no urgency to act until Minto required the pipe.

It's reasonable for councillors to get advice about the cost of defending this issue and the chances of winning in-camera, but any debate should be conducted in public. Anything less and Tansley's comment that this is "an end-run around democracy" will be proven true.

Councillors need to know if the foundations of the Manotick secondary plan really are as weak as Minto thinks. They also need to consider the proposed Minto compromise and the possibility that the developer would get even more at the OMB. Minto's plan calls for an average of 50 houses a year. The subdivision will probably go up faster than that, but it doesn't sound like enough to swamp Manotick. The OMB-mediated plan might just be the right compromise.

The plan to greatly enlarge Manotick ought to call into question the city's whole approach to village expansion. At what point is a village no longer a village? Once this expansion is complete, Manotick would more properly be considered a town than a village. The city is encouraging village expansion as an alternative to expanding the urban development boundary itself, but it's a poor solution. It's still costly-to-serve development far from the city centre.

Contact Randall Denley at 596-3756 or by e-mail, [email protected]

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That is one hell of a legal bill....I gather there was the City lawyer, an outside planning consultant and maybe outside engineering consultants etc., but really $1.4 million. I'm sure that would be way more than Minto's costs.

Anybody with any insight as to who appeared etc.
This might be more of that 'Transit Strike' accounting; according to another article, the cost was 'only' $638,000.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Fight+against+Minto+Manotick+plans+cost+city/1492077/story.html
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OTTAWA — The city spent $638,000 in its vain attempt to keep a subdivision from being built near Manotick village, the city’s legal department says.

A note to city council on the costs of its fight with Minto Developments says $357,000 was spent defending council’s decision to reject the development, which could see 1,400 houses built on 480 acres south of the village in the next decade or so. The note says $281,000 was spent developing a secondary plan for the village, which was eviscerated by the Ontario Municipal Board ruling allowing the development to go ahead.

City council rejected the proposed development last year, stating that the pace and size of growth did not comply with the city's official plan or the village's secondary plan, and that the project did not fit with the rural character of the village.

Minto Communities Inc. appealed council's decision to the board, made up of provincial appointees with the power to overrule municipal governments on planning issues. The board’s decision was released last week.

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This might be more of that 'Transit Strike' accounting; according to another article, the cost was 'only' $638,000.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Fight+against+Minto+Manotick+plans+cost+city/1492077/story.html
Thanks for that clarification...$1.4 million did seem a huge amount.

When I read the earlier article quoting Barry Waller I sort of tuned out as I find him hard to listen to...all we need now is Rhys Phillips and the Centretown Councillor and you have the harbingers of doom all in one place.
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The OMB is the balance to the democratic process of municipal government. Without a check and balance on the council, who knows what would happen.

The bottom line is the politicians in this city need to start respecting the staff of the City of Ottawa and more importantly, start following the policy documents they have put in place.

The city is probably wasting over $1 Million a year fighting cases it cant win.
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Councillor Fumes at Minto, Manotick Decision
By DEREK PUDDICOMBE, Sun Media
http://www.ottawasun.com/News/OttawaAndRegion/2009/04/14/9108816.html

A controversial Ontario Municipal Board decision allowing the construction of 1,400 residential units in Manotick has rendered both Community Design and Secondary Design plans irrelevant, an Ottawa councillor says.

Rideau-Goulbourn Coun. Glenn Brooks says all such plans now being worked on by the city should be scrapped to save time and money, because developers can just appeal to the OMB and have them tossed out anyway. In a letter to his council colleagues and planning staff, Brooks said proceeding with such designs plans is a waste of time.

"To me, in light of this decision, it is abundantly clear that these community-driven plans are not worth the paper they are written on," said Brooks. "Therefore, why waste everyone's time and money and building expectations that those who live, work and play in their respective communities are in control of how their community will grow and be managed." Community and secondary plans are created with extensive local input. They are meant to complement the city's official plan, which guides the planning of new communities and development within the municipality.

Brooks also said the decision makes some recommendations in the Mayor's Taskforce on Governance redundant, especially those calling for greater public participation in the decision-making process. Brooks said the OMB decision means public opinion doesn't matter.

"It is most evident to me, that development trumps community," he said. "Thus, let the development industry not only tell us what is good for us, but allow them, as well, to do our planning."

He calls the OMB decision "nonsense." Brooks also takes offence that the OMB claims "its findings had regard to the City of Ottawa's council decision on this matter."

Council voted against the 1,400 unit development. Minto appealed the decision to the OMB.

"Let's not forget council voted 19 to 5 not to support the Minto amendment, as did the Agriculture and Rural Affairs committee," said Brooks.

His next move will be to recommend council not proceed with any more community or secondary design plans.

Brooks, the former mayor of Rideau Township, is also worried the decision sets a precedent, meaning other rural Ontario communities seeking to maintain their country character could be in jeopardy.

"This OMB decision will now open the floodgates for rural village development across the Province of Ontario with no regard for any community and/or council decision," he said.

Brooks and many of his constituents argued there was a secondary plan in place to restrict development in the village and that its heritage character must be taken into consideration.

Minto argued its application conformed to provincial and city planning policies. The OMB agreed that the development, which requires an amendment to the city's Official Plan, "represents good planning and is in the broader public interest."
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I went by Chapman Mills Drive last night... it looks kind of interesting. The large median area is a little strange - it's where the NS light rail line was supposed to go. It has those fake storefronts where the actual entrance is facing the parking lot. Next time I'm in the area I'll take some pictures

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from the BuildingHomes.ca forums.... early part of the SoHo West development

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Regarding Mr. Brooks' opinions....

If I understand correctly, it's not that all secondary plans are bad just bad secondary plans. Apparently Manotick had a bad secondary plan.
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Regarding Mr. Brooks' opinions....

If I understand correctly, it's not that all secondary plans are bad just bad secondary plans. Apparently Manotick had a bad secondary plan.
One of the key points in the OMB decision was that the increased number of units in this proposal was appropriate because of the provision of services in Manotick (p. 16)

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The Board agrees with [Ms Paterson's] assessment that the growth management policy in the Secondary Plan that caps growth in the Village, to 2,000 units by 2020, is not realistic in light of the fact that municipal services are now available.
What's funny is looking at Councillor Brooks's profile on Ottawa.ca

http://www.ottawa.ca/city_hall/mayor_council/councillors/g_brooks_en.html

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Glenn Brooks, born and raised in the rural community, has served his community in a number of capacities over an extended period of time. He entered local politics in 1977 when he was first elected to the Township of Rideau Council. Since then he served as its Mayor for three terms (9 years) and, most recently, as the Corporation's Chief Executive Officer. He was also Rideau's representative on the Council of the former Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton. After 22 years of public service to the Township, Glenn was elected to the Council of the new City of Ottawa in 2000.

While a strong advocate of the rural municipalities remaining separate from the new city (i.e., the Rural Alliance), Glenn is committed to make the new City work for his constituents. He is well known for his "door knocking" throughout the Ward, his capacity to listen to constituent concerns, and his ability to communicate those concerns to achieve results. Glenn is a retired educator (principal/teacher of 33 years) and farmed locally for 10 years.

Glenn is able to keep up the hectic pace demanded of his position by keeping fit through his active participation in a number of sports - judo, ball, hiking, swimming and canoeing. He is a committed family man. He is married to Gail Wallace and the proud father of Robb, Beth and James. On occasion, when time permits, he enjoys a good novel.

He purposely chose to run for election to the new City Council to ensure his constituents' interests remain in the forefront of issues to be addressed by Ottawa Council. His priorities for his first term on Council include: extending local calls throughout the area of the new City; developing a rational plan for managing the City's biosolids and an environmentally sound approach to the application of pesticides; ensuring his constituents are provided with an enhanced level of ambulance service; and, getting the Village of Manotick serviced.
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So many villages, so little time ....
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Watson calls for further changes at OMB

Minister says plan for reform predates controversial Manotick decision
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Watson+calls+further+changes/1496712/story.html
BY MOHAMMED ADAM, THE OTTAWA CITIZENAPRIL 14, 2009 11:23 PM


OTTAWA-Municipal Affairs Minister Jim Watson says he has been talking to Attorney General Chris Bentley to further reform the Ontario Municipal Board to make it more responsive to Ontario communities.

Watson said that even before the controversial OMB decision that overruled Ottawa city council and gave the green light to Minto’s 1,400-home Mahogany subdivision in Manotick, he was discussing OMB changes with his cabinet colleague. Even though the board deals with planning issues, typically municipal matters, the attorney general’s department is directly responsible for the quasi-judicial tribunal.

“Has the OMB been perfect? No. Can it improve? Yes, I think it can and I am quite prepared to work with the attorney general to try and ensure that the OMB is more reflective of community values,” said Watson after a speech to local business leaders at City Hall on Tuesday morning. “I’ve had a couple of discussions with the attorney general going back a month and we both agree we are going to take a thorough look at the OMB and see how we can further improve it based on changes we made a couple of years ago. We want to see if they’ve done what we hoped they’d do to bring greater balance to OMB decision-making.”

Changes that became law in 2006 were supposed to allow towns and cities to control their own destinies by deciding how they grow by reducing the board’s powers to overturn major planning decisions made by elected councils.

“We want to put land-use planning decisions back where they belong: in the hands of municipal decision-makers,” said John Gerretsen, then the municipal affairs minister, in 2005.

Still, several people say the Manotick decision, which will allow the population of the rural village in southwest Ottawa to double by 2020, makes a mockery of the government’s promise and the law itself. Barry Wellar, professor emeritus of urban planning at the University of Ottawa, says that, in its final stages, the 2006 legislation became a “watered-down piece of mush,” and it is not surprising that the OMB would ignore the city’s view on the Manotick development.

Councillor Glenn Brooks, who represents the Manotick area, is so disgusted with the decision that he plans to ask council to stop making community or rural development plans because there is no point in crafting them when the OMB ignores them.

“The OMB decision will now open the floodgates for rural village development across the province of Ontario with no regard for any community and/or council decision,” Brooks said.

Wellar says the OMB has become an “abomination” and should be abolished, but Watson says that’s not going to happen. He says abolishing the tribunal, which acts as arbiter of planning disputes, would leave the courts, which are very expensive, as the only recourse for aggrieved parties. Watson says he fully sympathizes with people who have been on the wrong end of an OMB decision.

“There is always room for improvement when it comes to the OMB, but I don’t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater,” he said. “I want to ensure we continue to reform the OMB so that it becomes more responsive to city councils around the province.”

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Coming out of school, I held a very cynical view of the OMB. I still maintain a slightly less cynical view of the board, but it's also balanced by a significantly more cynical view of municipalities. Most councils cannot be trusted to make the right decisions in the face of community pressures and there must be some way to ensure that policy is properly implemented. Right now, the OMB is the only recourse.
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Coming out of school, I held a very cynical view of the OMB. I still maintain a slightly less cynical view of the board, but it's also balanced by a significantly more cynical view of municipalities. Most councils cannot be trusted to make the right decisions in the face of community pressures and there must be some way to ensure that policy is properly implemented. Right now, the OMB is the only recourse.
Well put..most people can't see beyond their own noses and the local Councillors want to maintain their seat on council so they rarely go against their constituants (especially close to election time). The drawbridge mentality is alive and well in Ottawa.
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Brooks may appeal to Minister Watson... or maybe just write an angry letter
http://www.ottawasun.com/News/Columnists/Sherring_Susan/2009/04/15/9118016-sun.html
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The OMB is the balance to the democratic process of municipal government. Without a check and balance on the council, who knows what would happen.
In fact it's supposed to balance the democratic process of municipal government, the rights of property owners to do as they wish and the rights of affected parties. Let's not forget that had Council voted the other way, then there still could have been an OMB hearing because Council would have been violating the trust of local citizens who had participated in developing the Secondary Plan, and it would have been citizens appealing - not that it would have gone anywhere, of course.

I think you'll find that the occasions of the OMB ruling in favour of other affected parties are far and few between. The notion of actual balance in practice doesn't exist.

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Well that's the irony of this case (and many others)... they did have a policy document that they were following: the existing Secondary Plan and the Official Plan. Minto wished to have this changed and staff supported the change - change to their own work that they had just finished working on a few years earlier. My reading of the decision is that it hinged on the provision of infrastructure; sending that $27M pipe down there is what opened the proverbial floodgates because without it the development could not be deemed to be serviced. Staff's recommendations in this regard were respected by Council - and look at what that has ultimately brought. One has to wonder why the big pipe was sent there in the first place. Small-scale local services based on technology developed by a local company to deal with an existing sewage problem were dismissed pretty much out of hand, despite being successfully employed just down the road in Kemptville and around the world. That $27M pipe they approved was pretty good "insurance" that extensive development in Manotick would be approved in the future, whether by the City or the OMB. One of the valid complaints of the rurals in Ottawa is that staff have a love of central "big pipe" solutions that set the stage for large-scale future development.

It's not the politicians who have to start respecting city staff, it's city staff who have to start respecting the politicians and the people they represent. Staff have to earn their respect and given the litany of incidents (Manotick servicing, Munster Hamlet servicing, Carp floodplain, King Edward 4vs6 lane study, sewergate, the entire TMP update, Lansdowne, bus strike) they aren't doing too well.

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The city is probably wasting over $1 Million a year fighting cases it cant win.
So it might as well roll over and surrender every time a developer wishes to have the Official Plan changed? Why bother even having an Official Plan if that's the case? Perhaps Council should just let the development industry write the Official Plan and throw in anything else the public wants that doesn't conflict with what the development industry wants.
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