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Old Posted Dec 17, 2008, 5:10 PM
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I think you're right "drm310". According to some old timers that is the Goodyear Service Centre on the SW corner of the intersection. So this building would be the 2 storey portion of the Ramada hotel located straight north of that, on the NW corner of the intersection. Also if you take a look at the existing Ramada tower you see a large column in the middle and three smaller columns to the east...the picture matches that exactly. And by the way, the tower under construction was called the Humford House, designed by Building Design Partnership. My high level source advised me that it features "hand bush hammered" concrete...but he's having trouble recalling what year it was built!
Well, maybe it is the Ramada, it just seems like such and odd angle. I work in Victoria Tower and when I look out the window the Ramada is right across the street and not angled like the photo. Victoria Tower must have been a really high end office tower at the time it was built as we have a parkade that goes a fair way down in the ground with nearly a 100 stalls.

What is Had Bush Hammered concrete? I am thinking it must be something really durable as this building is as solid as a rock.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2008, 8:04 PM
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Well, maybe it is the Ramada, it just seems like such and odd angle. I work in Victoria Tower and when I look out the window the Ramada is right across the street and not angled like the photo. Victoria Tower must have been a really high end office tower at the time it was built as we have a parkade that goes a fair way down in the ground with nearly a 100 stalls.

What is Had Bush Hammered concrete? I am thinking it must be something really durable as this building is as solid as a rock.
Concrete with an exposed aggregate finish that has been obtained by removing the surface cement using a percussive hammer with a serrated face.
     
     
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What is Had Bush Hammered concrete? I am thinking it must be something really durable as this building is as solid as a rock.
Wikipedia says: A bush hammer is a masonry tool used to texturize stone and concrete. Bush hammers exist in many forms, from simple hand-held hammers to large electric machines, but the basic functional property of the tool is always the same - a grid of conical or pyramidal points at the end of a large metal slug. The repeated impact of these points into stone or concrete creates a rough, pockmarked texture that resembles naturally weathered rock.

To me Victoria Tower just looks like more of the lovely precast concrete that is all too prevalent in Regina's facades from the 70's and 80's.
     
     
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I walk by there all the time. It looks like the application covers all houses on that block which are located on 13th av.
"Groovy Mama" Baby store is converting one of the homes to a shop. There are no plans yet for the other homes.

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According to Emporis, the Humford House (later London Life Place and now Victoria Tower) was completed in 1977 and the Sheraton Centre (now Ramada) was completed in 1978.

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/li/?id=101728&bt=9&ht=2&sro=0
     
     
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Last I heard, that will be an addictions councilling centre/ shelter.
Yup, I've heard this too from someone that works at FuturePrint, the old tenant. It was purchased by the Regina Health District and will be undergoing a million dollar reno. Apparently they had to have a location that was within a few blocks of the General Hospital.
     
     
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Just noticed today while out in the east end that Joe's Electric has their big semi trailer and about 3 work vans out front of the old Princess Auto on the north service road. Any idea what is moving in?

Also looks like Applebee's is opening on Dec 28th. Not sure if anyone has posted that yet or not.
     
     
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Wikipedia says: A bush hammer is a masonry tool used to texturize stone and concrete. Bush hammers exist in many forms, from simple hand-held hammers to large electric machines, but the basic functional property of the tool is always the same - a grid of conical or pyramidal points at the end of a large metal slug. The repeated impact of these points into stone or concrete creates a rough, pockmarked texture that resembles naturally weathered rock.

To me Victoria Tower just looks like more of the lovely precast concrete that is all too prevalent in Regina's facades from the 70's and 80's.
It is definitely precast but the majority of it has a ribbed look. Apparently all of the ribs were "bush hammered" to create the rough look.
     
     
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More changes have been announced for the former Sherwood Village Mall.

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The Sherwood Mall is being converted to Rochdale Crossing, similar to the Normanview Mall redevelopment a few years ago. Developer Anthony Marquart explains what's left of the enclosed mall will be gone after the renovations, expected to take a year and a half.
http://www.newstalk980.com/story/20081218/9949

There are renderings on the construction site.
http://stromiga.com/reginarochdalecrossing.htm

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I think the renderings look like a real improvement. Better curbside anyway.
     
     
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More talk of new office towers.

http://www.newstalk980.com/story/20081219/10021
     
     
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Time to think outside the box: stadiums create little benefit

Time to think outside the box: stadiums create little benefit
By David Seymour
December 18, 2008

Currying public popularity with entertainment should have ceased to be acceptable statecraft 2,000 years ago. Unfortunately, the lukewarm tone of the debate that erupted around building a taxpayer-funded stadium in Regina shows how tenacious certain principles of politics are. In Roman times, leaders knew they were in trouble when they struggled to afford lavish gladiatorial performances for their citizens. Little has changed.

Evidently the growth of humanity in sport hasn't been matched by a growth in understanding of government, but modern Canadian governments supposedly have two roles. One is to provide public goods and the other is to redistribute income in order that all Canadians enjoy some reasonable minimum living standard. Building a dome over Mosaic Stadium fails both tests. It is not a genuine public good, and though it would be nice if this were true, covering a stadium is not the final frontier in abolishing hardship from Canada.

Public goods have two characteristics that make them a worthwhile taxpayer investment. Their nature makes it hard to charge the people who benefit from them, and once they exist they are easy for everyone to share. The police provide a public good, because once the streets safe it is hard to make anyone in particular pay for that benefit, which everyone shares equally. Not so for a stadium dome. Using a device called a gate, stadium owners are able to prevent people who refuse to pay from receiving its benefits. Because stadiums raise their own revenue, there is no need to tax on their behalf. How much revenue they raise reflects their true value to the community. Also, they are not easy to share. Any version of the new stadium is likely to seat less than one in six residents of Regina or one in 30 of Saskatchewan.

Even if the entire city dutifully took turns to fill the stadium to capacity, it would take most of a season to accommodate everyone. The benefits of the stadium accumulate to a very small number of regular attendees, generally those who can afford $50 or $60 for a few hours' entertainment, and also to the highly paid players, entertainers, and promoters who take in what the public will hand over. Having failed to be a public good, stadium subsidies, by casting their benefits on the wealthier, actually undermine the government role of wealth redistribution.

The selfishness of the proposal shows up in the geography of opinion. Dome enthusiasm is proportional to one's proximity to the stadium. So the Regina mayor is "examining the possibility" while the Saskatchewan premier is (thankfully) cautious. The Saskatoon StarPhoenix is cynical while the Leader-Post is lukewarm. No doubt if the Nova Scotia Chronicle Herald cared to editorialize on federal dollars for our dome, the tone would be derisory.

After failing the role of government test on the two main criteria, the really wooly economics start to emerge. Most notable is the idea there will be lots of economic benefits from a stadium because people will spend money around events. Whether this is "true" depends on who paid the economist to do the study, but we don't need economists for this one anyway. Simply, consider how every dollar spent in connection with a stadium event is one that cannot be spent somewhere else. There are no net economic benefits from spending around a stadium's events, they can shift economic activity but they cannot create it.

Almost as bizarre is the idea that building a stadium will be part of an economic recovery. The folklore around make-work schemes credit them for the end of the Great Depression. While such myths have been debunked at more scholarly levels, we can again rely on practical observations. A project of the scale contemplated would take years to come on stream. Most of us hope for a quicker change of economic fortunes than that. If Regina's economy had relied on the Dewdney rail relocation project for economic salvation, we would be honorary members of the Third World by now.

We good socialists understand that our reason for being is the removal of privilege. We smart socialists understand that the Leviathan government we have created can end up creating even more privileges if it is not managed according to sound principles. The real disappointment is that we lack the political leadership in government, in opposition, and at City Hall to call this proposal what it is: a subsidy that socializes costs onto the many to deliver private benefits for the few.

- Seymour is director of the Saskatchewan office of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Prairie-based think tank with offices in Regina, Winnipeg and Calgary. (www.fcpp.org)
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Very norrow-minded, in my opinion. By his rationale, nothing should be built. 99% of people will never use a drug treatment centre. Should we not have any then? The list could go on.

Build the DOME!!!!


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Time to think outside the box: stadiums create little benefit
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Even if the entire city dutifully took turns to fill the stadium to capacity, it would take most of a season to accommodate everyone. The benefits of the stadium accumulate to a very small number of regular attendees, generally those who can afford $50 or $60 for a few hours' entertainment, and also to the highly paid players, entertainers, and promoters who take in what the public will hand over. Having failed to be a public good, stadium subsidies, by casting their benefits on the wealthier, actually undermine the government role of wealth redistribution.

- Seymour is director of the Saskatchewan office of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Prairie-based think tank with offices in Regina, Winnipeg and Calgary. (www.fcpp.org)
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Very norrow-minded, in my opinion. By his rationale, nothing should be built. 99% of people will never use a drug treatment centre. Should we not have any then? The list could go on.

Build the DOME!!!!
Exactly. I say close libraries, parks, pools, rinks, museums, etc because only portions of the population use those facilities. {/sarcasm}
     
     
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Exactly. I say close libraries, parks, pools, rinks, museums, etc because only portions of the population use those facilities. {/sarcasm}
I am glad to see you guys see this reality .. of course only a small portion of the population would utilize a stadium, but this could also be said for concert halls, art galleries and public transit. What needs to be considered is does spending public money on a facility or service improve the city's attractiveness and liveability.

Going back thousands of years .. people have associated public amenities like stadiums as a means to improve cities.

Of course this is always a point of dispute when ever the development of a new sports facility is proposed.. and each city must deside what type of future it wants to have.
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More talk of new office towers.

http://www.newstalk980.com/story/20081219/10021
Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but I have a source who has a family member who owned a number of retail buildings on Hamilton Street, downtown. I say owned because just recently they were sold, I beleive to Havard. I know there was a lot of discussion about these buildings back in the summer, but they were only recently sold, within the last month. Hopefully that moves things one step closer to a new office tower on Hamilton street.
     
     
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The federal government is discussing infrastructure as works projects to employ people so I'm curious to see where that goes. I assume we won't see any concrete numbers on that spending until the budget comes down in January, but it's a good idea.
     
     
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Very norrow-minded, in my opinion. By his rationale, nothing should be built. 99% of people will never use a drug treatment centre. Should we not have any then? The list could go on.
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Exactly. I say close libraries, parks, pools, rinks, museums, etc because only portions of the population use those facilities. {/sarcasm}
I agree, it's too bad he used that flawed reasoning to make the point against a publicly-funded stadium. It's not a matter of ideology at all - you don't actually have to be a "good socialist" or "smart socialist" to be against public funds for a professional sports stadium, there's good and smart capitalist reasons too.

I think I've already typecast myself as the guy who keeps bringing up the research that professional sports stadiums are a bad public investment... over at the US Congressional Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, "Professional Sport Stadiums: Do They Divert Public Funds From Critical Public Infrastructure?":

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no evidence has been found to suggest that professional sports stadiums create jobs, raise incomes, or raise local tax revenues
I'll also point out another website, Field of Schemes. It's partly trying to sell a book, but the stories and data it quotes are backed-up and the points are generally well-reasoned. Coincidentally today's update is about RCA Dome in Indianapolis, built in 1984 to lure a team to the city, now about to be demolished, leaving an outstanding debt of $69 million.

Conveniently, that same US congressional committee is investigating "whether the use of the federal tax code to subsidize the construction of professional sports stadiums and arenas furthers the public interest". We could just wait to see what solutions they come up with, instead of rushing in to build and potentially lose a lot of public money. If it turns out this sort of thing really does further the public interest, despite the relative risk, maybe a happy compromise would be for the City (and other levels of government if interested) to offer tax breaks and loans (ie, repayable) to whatever private interest wants to build (and profit from) a new stadium.

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I am glad to see you guys see this reality .. of course only a small portion of the population would utilize a stadium, but this could also be said for concert halls, art galleries and public transit. What needs to be considered is does spending public money on a facility or service improve the city's attractiveness and liveability.

Of course this is always a point of dispute when ever the development of a new sports facility is proposed.. and each city must deside what type of future it wants to have.
I don't think anyone disputes the idea that a stadium would be a good amenity for the city to have - of course it's good to have one. The question is whether it's a good idea to spend taxpayer money on it, when other things need funding too - boring things like roads, transit, etc, that don't have a green-bleeding fan and business base who could better fund it out of pocket themselves.

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The federal government is discussing infrastructure as works projects to employ people so I'm curious to see where that goes. I assume we won't see any concrete numbers on that spending until the budget comes down in January, but it's a good idea.
Yep, recessions are great for generating monumental make-work projects - the Albert St Bridge owes its existence to the 1930s Depression. But I don't know how they could justify doing a project in Regina now though, since we are ahead of the rest the country economically so far.

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I think the renderings look like a real improvement. Better curbside anyway.
Never thought I'd say a strip mall is an "improvement", but what do you know... the change is a good urban design opportunity, they could include some landscaping and parking controls and it could provide some welcome variety and interest to that streetscape. Could.

Favour - could someone do a photorun around town to some of the projects over the holidays? I can't make it back this year =( but would love to see how it's all turning out.
     
     
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