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Old Posted Nov 21, 2008, 1:18 AM
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OK. as an outsider located in Tampa looking in, I have to offer my observations on Pittsburgh. After seeing the flurry of recent posts about green condo's in the South Side to the recycled industrial Otto Milk building into residential units , I have to speak out.

Pittsburgh, you are fortunate to have such a rich menu of urban development going on. Compared to Tampa, the city landscape is far, far, far more interesting there. Forget about abou the weather. Some things transcend weather.

Michigan Ave. in Chicago is packed with people at 11 pm at night in February on a Tuesday night because it transcends weather. Soho in NYC is hopping in winter because it transcends weather. South Street in Philly on a weeknight in winter is packed because it transcends weather. Pittsburgh has enough architectural, urban and diversity interests to transcend weather.
     
     
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Pittsburgh has enough architectural, urban and diversity interests to transcend weather.
And it does in a couple neighborhoods.
     
     
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Isn't that something funded out of the capital budget? PAT's problems are entirely related to labor benefit costs and oversized salaries and high gas prices, not capital budget programs. At least gasoline is down substantially.
Their union dooms them to failure. It's the same with what is currently going on in the U.S. auto industry.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2008, 2:26 PM
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Their union dooms them to failure. It's the same with what is currently going on in the U.S. auto industry.
With the Transit Union, I think it's time to pull a Reagan. Tell them that unless they stay at work and shut up, since they make WAY more money than their job/skill set warrants, they're fired.

Fire every damn last one of them! ...It's immoral to allow such an organization as the Port Authority to unionize. Because when they demand more and more money/benefits, it's the people of the city, county, and state who have to foot the bill for it...not some megacorporation like GM. These people are holding hundreds of thousands of people hostage with their greed!

This is one time when I like the fact that Pennsylvania is an at-will work state. ...Rendell, Onorato, fire them all and rehire them are non-union wages. ...Legislators, for f#$% sake, make it ILLEGAL for government funded agencies to unionize!!!
     
     
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OK. as an outsider located in Tampa looking in, I have to offer my observations on Pittsburgh. After seeing the flurry of recent posts about green condo's in the South Side to the recycled industrial Otto Milk building into residential units , I have to speak out.

Pittsburgh, you are fortunate to have such a rich menu of urban development going on. Compared to Tampa, the city landscape is far, far, far more interesting there. Forget about abou the weather. Some things transcend weather.

Michigan Ave. in Chicago is packed with people at 11 pm at night in February on a Tuesday night because it transcends weather. Soho in NYC is hopping in winter because it transcends weather. South Street in Philly on a weeknight in winter is packed because it transcends weather. Pittsburgh has enough architectural, urban and diversity interests to transcend weather.

Never been to Tampa, but you make it sound like it is one drabby homogeneous everywhereville bigbox filled suburb.

If so, I am there!

But all of those cities you mentioned are huge cities that attract a lot of immigrants. Far from where Pittsburgh Stands.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2008, 2:32 PM
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I have mixed feelings on big box stores entering East Liberty. Yay! the first target with windows! What a great achievment for big box architects. ...
You are looking at it from the wrong perspective. It is an
achievement for the city of Pittsburgh, not big box store architects!

It is not the 1950's anymore and that old style of mom-and-pop store
shopping is largely long gone. Stores like Target are a part of
modern life. If we want to make living in the city of Pittsburgh more
attractive (e.g. to reduce spral) and convenient then we need this
kind of retail option. And Target is alot better than some of the
previous options floated for that area (e.g. when they wanted to put a
K Mart where Home Depot currently is).
     
     
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You are looking at it from the wrong perspective. It is an
achievement for the city of Pittsburgh, not big box store architects!

It is not the 1950's anymore and that old style of mom-and-pop store
shopping is largely long gone. Stores like Target are a part of
modern life. If we want to make living in the city of Pittsburgh more
attractive (e.g. to reduce spral) and convenient then we need this
kind of retail option. And Target is alot better than some of the
previous options floated for that area (e.g. when they wanted to put a
K Mart where Home Depot currently is).
I remember arguing with you about this like a year ago, LOL.

I agree with you 100%. Just this past weekend I went down to the Waterfront for a tea kettle, toaster, and some other applainces at Target that would have cost me 2 times more if I bought them in S. Hill.

I agree. I just feel that these big box stores should be contained in large empty dump sites and I hope that empty spaces in city neighborhoods arn't turned into big box stores. I also think big box store's should put some of their profits paying their architects higher design fees to make their stores more attractive. I worked in a design firm for retail. One of our clients was big box, Dicks. They nickled and dimed the hell out of us to get us to design the most cheapest product at the cheapest price. Their stores had the 5.1A prototype, the 5.2B, or the 5.2 C. It was pethetic. I got out of there.

Also, I think people Like Johnland (using him as an example with his descriptions of Tampa), and myself enjoy Pittsburgh for the fact that it has Mom and Pa stores to walk to on Murray and Forbes avenue. When I moved into my apartment, I needed nails to hang paintings. I loved the fact of being able to walk a few blocks to that hardware store to buy nails for 2 bucks and walk back and not even get into my car. When I lived in east Denver, my only choice was Target. Yeah, it was nice to get eggs, bread, nails, and paint in the same store, but I personally like just walking down my neighborhood streets. I will pay an extra 50 cents for nails for being able to walk and enjoy my neighborhood. Something that is lost in America.

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You are looking at it from the wrong perspective. It is an
achievement for the city of Pittsburgh, not big box store architects!

It is not the 1950's anymore and that old style of mom-and-pop store
shopping is largely long gone. Stores like Target are a part of
modern life. If we want to make living in the city of Pittsburgh more
attractive (e.g. to reduce spral) and convenient then we need this
kind of retail option. And Target is alot better than some of the
previous options floated for that area (e.g. when they wanted to put a
K Mart where Home Depot currently is).

My problem with this project is its location. Not that its in E liberty, but the fact that it is across the street from Mellon Park. I feel it will be a lost opportunity to not have taken advantage of a park setting (a rare animal) with dense residential development. This area would sustain more residential development. A big box store could go in to any vacant lot around E Liberty.

This being said they have done a fantastic job in preserving the old Nabisco Building and it looks like they are taking great care in doing everything to detail. Perhaps this will attract development to the lots just to the the east, around the intersection of Fifth & Penn Avenues.
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Their union dooms them to failure. It's the same with what is currently going on in the U.S. auto industry.
Once can rightfully blame a lot of things on the auto industry's failings in recent years (and decades) but the real failures are not the result of unions.

Unions didn't jam redneck trucks (and yes that includes the redneck trucks that people call SUV's) down oour throats.

Unions are not the CEO's and management and lobby firms who objected to better cars for fuel etc.

Please don't confuse the massive historic failings of the Big 3 executives with the unions.

and it has nothing to do with PAT's issues.

And the only "reagan" we need to pull is any law benefitting these corporate assholes who are killing lives and cities from the law books that reagan and the bushes supported..
     
     
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hey... we finally found a use for the former LTV site in Hazelwood: dirt depository!
Hi Evergrey- forgive me for quoting only the sarcastic part of your post. You do have the right idea about the site and the development potential, but I wanted to clear up a few misconceptions about the "fill" operation.
There are 3 main goals of the fill importation project on the site. The site, as you mentioned, is flat, but that is a man-made topography. The mill (formerly LTV, after Jones and Laughlin and originally B. F. Jones Corp.) site was made flat by cutting a bench into the adjacent hillside and filling the 2 valleys that bordered the hill. Also, the riverbank was elevated (flood proofed) by pouring hot slag along a majority of the site. The site today bares little resemblance to its "natural" topography, and the interest of the partnership that owns the site (RIDC is not the owner- as stated by the Trib Rev, but the general partner in the ALMONO Partnership) is to reintegrate the site and the river bank with the Hazelwood neighborhood. A more natural slope will facilitate that.
The second goal is to provide a “workable” medium for the development. When LTV demolished the structures on site (furnaces, rolling mills, coke batteries, etc.) they only brought the buildings down to grade. The very heavy concrete foundations remain. While any significant vertical development will require the removal of (at least) portions of these foundations, the fill that is being added to the site will allow for lesser structures and below-grade infrastructure to be installed in this “new” dirt, without having to break apart steel-reinforced concrete every time you want to install a water line or a catch basin.
Finally, the site was remediated (environmentally) by LTV to site-specific standards required by the PA DEP for non-residential development. While the site is essentially clean, the desire for some element of residential development will require additional remediation in the form of additional soil cover. So, the dirt is necessary to allow for the neighborhood development that we all agree is appropriate for the site.
And- the best news of all- is that the dirt is essentially free. When the original master plan for the site was developed in 2003, the engineers estimate was that 1 million cu. yds of fill would be required- actually, we capped it a million yards because, at $15/yd. (2003 cost!) to buy and place the material, we knew that the cost was going to bury the project. That $15MM over 178 acres added almost $85,000 per acre to the site development cost- before a building was ever built! With the current arrangement, the dirt is free to us, and the projects that are bringing the dirt are saving tremendous amounts in hauling and tipping fees. It’s a win-win scenario.
The site is large and we are all very anxious to see it redeveloped, but the ALMONO Partners believe that it is far too important of a site to develop poorly. The goal is for a “world-class” model in brownfield redevelopment that is uniquely Pittsburgh, exhibits all of the most advanced principals in “Green” development strategies, incorporates alternative energy technology, and gives the Hazelwood neighborhood and the city and region a chance to access the river in ways it has not had in over 100 years.
I thank you for your interest in the site and I promise that I will try to be as open with information as I can in the coming months and years as the development takes shape.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2008, 12:23 AM
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Wow, thanks Bill for that thorough explanation. It is exciting to hear about the win-win situation that emerged with the dirt. And I am proud to hear about a brownfield redevelopment in Pittsburgh that is world class in its execution. Thank you. We look forward to any other information you give to us.
     
     
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thank you for that detailed post, Bill

I was just gazing down at the Hazelwood site from a hillside in Greenfield yesterday... dreaming of what it could be...
     
     
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thank you for that detailed post, Bill

I was just gazing down at the Hazelwood site from a hillside in Greenfield yesterday... dreaming of what it could be...
More big box stores! Ah, just kidding.
     
     
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I'm sure some of you will enjoy this

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/11/pittsburghs_renaissance_holds.html

Pittsburgh's renaissance holds lesson for Cleveland

Posted by Scott Stephens/Plain Dealer Reporter November 23, 2008 06:30AM


Thomas Ondrey/The Plain Dealer
Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, left, and developer Jack Benoff admire the downtown landscape from the balcony of a penthouse in one of Benoff's 941 Penn Ave. condominiums. "The city is just great to work with," Benoff said.

PITTSBURGH -- The city that once defined rust belt decay might show the rest of the nation how to weather a recession.

When steel and heavy manufacturing vanished a quarter-century ago, Pittsburgh lost 200,000 jobs in three years. Hulks of deserted mills, their furnaces dead-cold, glowered from the banks of the city's three rivers like the eerie stone faces on Easter Island. Young people fled, turning the town's fabled black-and-gold color scheme to gray.

Fast-forward 25 years. As most of the nation reels in debt and despair, Pittsburgh is on the move: A new $200 million downtown office tower, upscale condos, a casino, a new hockey arena and a riverfront convention center.

Its air and water are clean, and its waterfront is lined with bike trails and entertainment complexes. Six Fortune 500 firms hang their hats here. Carnegie Mellon University serves as a magnet for some of the world's best and brainiest young people.

A downtown cultural district boasts 14 blocks of theaters, restaurants and galleries. Macy's and Saks Fifth Avenue anchor a growing downtown shopping corridor. Foreclosures declined 20 percent compared with a year ago, and home prices are steady.

Last year, Places Rated Almanac named Pittsburgh America's most livable city. Forbes magazine included it among the world's 10 cleanest cities. Kiplinger's Personal Finance rated Pittsburgh among the 10 smartest cities to live and work in. An affiliate of the Financial Times called it one of North America's top three cities of the future.

Even the beloved Steelers, who won four Super Bowls during the salad days of the '70s, are back among the National Football League elite. And as they dominate the rival Browns on the gridiron, Pittsburgh seems to be colonizing Cleveland on other playing fields.

Last month, the Pittsburgh-based PNC Financial Services Group gobbled up National City Corp. Then, Howard Hanna Real Estate Services grabbed Real Living Realty One, giving the Pittsburgh-based firm nearly 40 percent of Northeast Ohio's home sales.

Oglebay Norton Co., a fixture in Cleveland for 154 years, shuttered its headquarters this year and moved about 50 employees to Pittsburgh. The storied minerals company had once hired John D. Rockefeller and had owned the Edmund Fitzgerald, the freighter that sank in Lake Superior.

Giant Eagle now dominates Northeast Ohio with 95 supermarkets and 52 convenience stores and gas stations. The grocery chain is based in -- you guessed it -- Pittsburgh.

"The reports over and over again say things are not good, but there's good news taking place here," said Pittsburgh's 28-year-old mayor, Luke Ravenstahl. "People are moving here. We continue to be well-positioned to survive an economic downturn."

Analysts say the boom is occurring -- at least in part -- because the city already had its bust. The loss of heavy industry in the early 1980s forced Pittsburgh to diversify its economic base. As was the case with Cleveland, health and education emerged as the new sources for breadwinner jobs. But Pittsburgh also managed to attract and nurture entrepreneurs specializing in global markets for technology, research and development and environmental science.

"The diversity of the economy in Pittsburgh puts us in a better place than many cities in the country," said Mike Langley, chief executive of the Allegheny Conference on Community Development, a nonprofit, private-sector development group. "We've been through and worked through problems. It's actually kind of hardened us like steel."

The bust also caused a seemingly disastrous -- but ultimately beneficial -- shift in demographics. When the jobs left Pittsburgh, so did a generation of baby boomers. Today, that void has been filled by "millennials" -- those 27 years old and younger. It's no accident that Pittsburgh is one of the few cities to offer free Wi-Fi within its borders.

Meanwhile, the city's substantial elderly population, living on the safety net of Social Security, pensions and Medicare, is less affected by a recession than younger working folks.

"The city has done a remarkable job of reinventing itself because it had to," said Michael Edwards, president and CEO of the Pittsburgh Downtown Partnership, a nonprofit group that works with businesses, civic organizations, foundations and elected leaders on developing the city's 100-block downtown. "We're trying to build a city for the future."

Much of that future is moored in the past. The Pittsburgh Technology Center, an office park on the site of a former Jones & Laughlin steel mill, is a research hub employing 1,000 people and one of the best examples of brownfield redevelopment in the nation.

U.S. Steel Corp. is spending $1.2 billion to turn its aging Clairton Coke Works in the gritty Mon Valley into a site producing specialty metals and tubing. The project will reduce emissions, create 600 construction jobs and guarantee continued employment for the mill's 1,300 workers.

Westinghouse Electric Co. is hiring 1,000 engineers in suburban Cranberry Township to build 33 nuclear reactors around the world.

And General Electric and the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center are joining forces to open 25 cancer-care centers in Asia, Europe and the Middle East.


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Hugging the banks of the Monongahela River, the Pittsburgh Technology Center is considered one of the best examples of brownfield redevelopment in the nation. The research hub occupies the site of an old Jones & Laughlin steel mill.

Even the city's iconic hometown beer, Iron City, has a new lease on life. The 147-year-old brewery, the nation's third-oldest, went into bankruptcy in 2006 after it couldn't pay its water bill. Private investors, helped by a state economic development grant, rescued the business. It's now a smaller, leaner operation, but 100 jobs were saved and the suds still flow.

"Folks here in Pittsburgh don't want to see the brand go away," said Timothy Hickman, Iron City's new president. "It's part of the roots and fabric of this town."

Developers are turning some of those roots into upscale digs for well-heeled city dwellers. In the Strip District, an ecclectic mix of produce stands, dance clubs and boutiques on the banks of the Allegheny River, the long-forgotten Armstrong Cork Co. building has been transformed into the trendy Cork Factory loft apartments.

Nearby, the old Otto Milk Co. building is now the new Otto Milk Condos: 60 one-, two- and three-bedroom units going for $183,000 to $1.3 million.


They are the kinds of fashionable addresses that attract couples such as John and Nasrin Jordan. The Jordans, who are both managed-care consultants, enjoy the excitement and culture of downtown but tired of the hourlong drive between the city and their home in Upper Burrell.

When Pittsburgh began offering generous tax abatements for new downtown housing, the Jordans were among the first in line. They settled on a place in 941 Penn Ave., a refurbished 10-story building with 18 luxury condos about a block from the city's new convention center.

"We were looking toward the future," said Nasrin Jordan. "We spend a lot of time downtown. We love the city, and we love being here."

Jack Benoff, the Philadelphia-based developer of both Otto Milk and 941 Penn Ave., said downtown Pittsburgh is an economic hothouse in which investments like his can bloom into profits. Benoff said his 941 Penn Ave., which hasn't yet opened, has all but one unit sold.

"I looked at Columbus also, but I liked Pittsburgh," Benoff said. "The city is just great to work with. The only skeptical people, to be truthful, were the banks."


There are other skeptics, to be sure. While acknowledging Pittsburgh's considerable gains, some observers say the city is far from recession-proof. Like Cleveland, Pittsburgh is losing population. Vacant storefronts still mar Fifth and Forbes avenues, two major downtown arteries. A recent police crackdown in the downtown Market Square netted 117 arrests in a single month, but crime remains a problem in many neighborhoods. (Evergrey's note concerning population loss: the difference being PGH's loss today is due to unique phenomenon of deaths outnumbering births due to 70s/80s exodus whereas Cleveland's is due to acute out-migration)

And while it's true that housing values in Pittsburgh haven't fallen the way they have in the rest of the country, its also true that there never really was a housing boom here.

"When you dig into the numbers, it doesn't seem that different from Cleveland," said David Bergholz, former executive director of the Cleveland-based George Gund Foundation and someone who has lived and worked in both cities. "Cut away some of the froth, and it's hard to see where they are better positioned."

Critics also point out that not all Pittsburghers have shared in their city's successes. Most data show black residents of the city face far more severe poverty than any other racial group. In many cases, the quality of life for blacks in Pittsburgh is below national averages, according to a 2007 study by the University of Pittsburgh's Center on Race and Social Problems.

One reason for the gap: Bigger cities like Detroit and Washington have a larger, more politically active black middle class that can push for policy change.

Still, Bergholz and others acknowledge a growing gulf between Pittsburgh and Cleveland in at least one area: Higher education. Once neighborhood rivals, Carnegie Mellon and Pitt are now collaborative partners, twin forces in research, science and technology.



The University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, a $7 billion health-care conglomerate, is the city's largest employer with 50,000 workers and hospitals in Ireland, Italy and Qatar. Seventy-five miles south, West Virginia University gives the region a third first-tier research institution.

"You don't have an equivalent of Pitt in Cleveland," Bergholz said. "It's a big engine, both regionally and nationally." (Evergrey's note: I suppose this is that "froth" you were speaking off, Bergholz?)

So is Carnegie Mellon. The university's Heinz College was the first in the nation to require its public-policy curriculum to include information technology courses. Google chose the university as a site for one of its research and development offices.

Recent CMU grads started a nonprofit company that plants sunflowers in abandoned urban fields and converts oil from the flowers into clean-burning biodiesel fuel. The firm, which has 100 volunteers, began as a research project.

"We attract a group of talented students from all over the world who impact all aspects of the community," said Ann English, senior director of operations at Heinz College.

Locals admit that the city's unusual topography -- a bad dream for out-of-town drivers -- has been a catalyst for the city's revival. Crisscrossed by the famous three rivers and surrounded by steep hills, Pittsburgh's downtown is compact. An unusually high percentage of the region's residents work downtown, and half of them use public transportation to get there. (Evergrey's note: I totally agree on topography being a huge asset here!)

But the political landscape is equally important. A few years ago, Allegheny County scrapped its creaky system of three elected commissioners, opting instead for a county executive. The setup is imperfect, but the streamlined system appears to be blending well with Ravenstahl, who has worked hard to forge ties with the county's 127 other municipalities.

That cooperative approach extends beyond the county's boundaries. As part of a 10-county regional coalition, Allegheny County's interests don't go unnoticed in Harrisburg.


Thomas Ondrey/The Plain Dealer
A billboard outside the construction site for a new PNC office tower in downtown Pittsburgh advertises the city's charms. Economists believe the city and its leadership are well-positioned to weather a recession.

"When we put our political muscle together, we have more votes than Philadelphia," said Richard Stafford, a professor at Heinz College and former CEO of the Allegheny Conference.

Stafford said that regional cooperation mirrors the city's ability to persuade diverse and powerful interests -- gray-haired CEOs, union bosses and deep-pocketed philanthropic leaders-- to row in the same direction.

"If you improve government, education and your infrastructure, at some point you will turn things around," Stafford said. "It's almost a mathematical certainty."

That turnaround is most obvious to the people who live and work here. Karen Duganier, a commercial contract manager who lives in Pittsburgh but spends substantial time in Cleveland, said the Steel City has done the better job of remaking itself for a new economy.

"Pittsburgh made the transition," Duganier said. "They adjusted to change better than Cleveland."




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Thomas Ondrey/The Plain DealerThe 10-year-old aluminum-and-glass Alcoa Corporate Center on Pittsburgh's North Shore features a wave-form glass facade that opens the entire building to the river. The structure is considered a pioneer of "green" buildings.

The Pittsburgh Plan: Five things that could work here

1. Regionalize. Pittsburgh has lost population, but regional ties give it as much -- or more -- clout in Harrisburg as Philadelphia. Cuyahoga County could streamline county government and forge a regional coalition for more power in Columbus.

2. Develop and use the waterfront. From Pittsburgh's old convention center, there wasn't a window that allowed a glimpse of the river. The new waterfront convention center has a boat dock from which visitors can catch a pleasure cruise.

3. Develop educational leadership. Carnegie Mellon University was once a good regional school. Now it's a great university of international renown. Plagued by abrupt changes in leadership and budget woes, Case Western Reserve University has not grabbed that mantle.

4. Cooperate. Recognizing that their fates are entwined, corporate and labor leaders in Pittsburgh have been successful at setting aside many of their differences to work for a common good.

5. Strategize. Like Cleveland, Pittsburgh's philanthropic and business communities have had open checkbooks. Pittsburgh often has had a sharper vision of how the money should be spent.
     
     
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I was waiting for an article like this to be posted. I am sure so many in Pittsburgh are loving this, but if the tables were turned, and this were posted in the Cleveland development thread, you would see so many people complaining about it.

Once again, Cleveland gets put down on here.

Sorry, it is just annoying sometimes.
     
     
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Bravo Evergrey!

That article was a great find. As a (temporary) transplant Western Pennsylvanian I can see that Pittsburgh and the surrounding region are growing MUCH faster and more effectively than NE Ohio. There is much Cleveland can and will learn from us, the important thing is that we stay on top!
     
     
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Those articles really sing the praises of Pittsburgh. With so many good qualities, it is iritating that there is the constant population loss. As pointed out, the underlying cause seems more to do now with deaths outnumbering births, which means at least it isn't due to blatant out-migration.

Population stabilazation, or even (gasp) growth, would do wonders to help plug those holes in the urban fabric caused by vacancies.

I would have to think that eventually, value-oriented migration trends should shift more people into the area. I've read the Hispanic population growth has largely by-passed Pittsburgh. That's a huge opportunity right there for in-migration.

I have my eye on Pittsburgh for a relocation. Job-wise I am stuck in Florida. But I want out of here desperately. I am really looking to Pittsburgh to keep addressing it's problem issues to grow it's economy and improve its infrastructure. It aleady has the invaluable asset of urban density, history, textured fabric, etc. As soon it it begins to leverage these assets to bring in new comers, things will burst out and really shine.
     
     
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Those articles really sing the praises of Pittsburgh. With so many good qualities, it is iritating that there is the constant population loss. As pointed out, the underlying cause seems more to do now with deaths outnumbering births, which means at least it isn't due to blatant out-migration.

Population stabilazation, or even (gasp) growth, would do wonders to help plug those holes in the urban fabric caused by vacancies.

I would have to think that eventually, value-oriented migration trends should shift more people into the area. I've read the Hispanic population growth has largely by-passed Pittsburgh. That's a huge opportunity right there for in-migration.

I have my eye on Pittsburgh for a relocation. Job-wise I am stuck in Florida. But I want out of here desperately. I am really looking to Pittsburgh to keep addressing it's problem issues to grow it's economy and improve its infrastructure. It aleady has the invaluable asset of urban density, history, textured fabric, etc. As soon it it begins to leverage these assets to bring in new comers, things will burst out and really shine.
According to Bureau of Labor Statistics... Sept. 2008 Labor Force for Pittsburgh MSA grew year-over-year by almost 24k... an astonishing increase... labor force growth had generally been flat for the 15 prior years... netting only 6k. This leads me to believe that Pittsburgh's ever-improving economic strength in the face of the national downturn is attracting people from beyond the region... and this will have long term benefits for our population growth overcoming the legacy birth deficit.

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Wow...24K increase is astonishing. That is such a good sign for Pittsburgh.
     
     
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Thank you Bill for the info. It's easy to get the wrong idea of a possible development and Im grateful that you shared this knowledge.
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