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Old Posted Aug 16, 2008, 11:51 PM
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Wow, check out the commercial space proposal for Harbour landing.
http://www.regina.ca/Page2992.aspx

Im pretty dissapointed that these arn't going up in and around downtown.
Imagine some of these buildings lining up on Albert,Broad,and Sask drive. They would certainly add alot of business and life to the core, but unfortunately, these will be going up in Sprawling neighbourhoods .
This development has the potential to draw people away from downtown (similar to vic east, rochdale).
Tis a shame indeed, looks like a mini downtown...parking lots substituted for greenspace.

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Proposed Discretionary Use (08-DU-12)
Location: Gordon Road, West of Lewvan Drive (Harbour Landing Subdivision)
Community Association: Albert Park
Project #: 08-DU-12
Type: Proposed Major Commercial/Retail Centre
Date Posted: August 12, 2008
Project Status: Under Review

Project Description

The applicant proposes to develop a major commercial/retail centre on three separate parcels, corresponding to the primary commercial precinct or "campus" within the Harbour Landing Concept Plan area (approved by City Council on August 20, 2007).

The proposed development will contain a variety of building types and sizes with a total floor area of approximately 86,000 square metres (925,000 square feet).

In addition to retail space, intended occupancies include a broad range of commercial uses (e.g., offices, financial institutions, restaurants, entertainment and leisure, personal services) as well as residential.

A featured component of the development is an urban village, or town centre, which is expected to provide a pedestrian-friendly environment for business, leisure and community activities.
For serious? Where do developers get these crazy ideas from

This could be an interesting development, not your typical big box environment, although it probably won't be mixed-use buildings. The residences may be placed off to the side away from the bustling commercial activities and humming parking lots, or maybe not


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It is difficult to watch new commercial developments spring up on the out-skirts, when new life is so neccesary in the core neighbourhoods and the CBD. Of course, on the other hand, it is better from a sustainability point of view to reduce distances between where people live and work. Since suburban development (Harbour Landing in this case but there's loads going up) continues, it might as well feature a mix of uses, hopefully providing the inhabitants oppertunities to walk to work and reduce travel.

What I hope for is a Regina where the different neighbourhoods become less dependent on relatively distant places for shopping/work/entertainment/ etc... This would also mean in-fill in the core of needed uses, like grocery and more housing and then schools in or around the CBD.

The problem I see is too many residential only sub-divs, with almost total car reliance, and not enough of a mix. Sprawl.

I'm not totally convinced that Harbour Landing will be the walkable, mixed use self-sufficent new town it advertizes as, but at least they're making the right noises.
     
     
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Part of the challenge is the city handing large parcels of land to developpers without much expectation. The developpers turn around and try to fit as many lots as possible on these narrow streets.

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What I hope for is a Regina where the different neighbourhoods become less dependent on relatively distant places for shopping/work/entertainment/ etc... This would also mean in-fill in the core of needed uses, like grocery and more housing and then schools in or around the CBD.
CBD?

There needs to be the incentive for these businesses to go into these spaces. Has the city zoned these areas for business to move in or would the businesses need to request rezoning? People constantly talk about infill, but not the specifics.
     
     
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Hi guys! Long time ...

Congrats Migs, welcome to married life! I take it you're the masculine side of the family! Remember, the wife is always correct!

You guys should also check out the floorplans for the Diocese townhouses. They seem to have some pretty decent layouts -- my wife is keen on them, too! I wonder what they'll sell for? They should look pretty good when they're done.

I just got back from a really quick trip to Calgary, where they're doing major work on 16th Ave. N. widening it by a lane for a good stretch on both sides of Centre St. I think they've been at it for quite a while. I wonder what that's going to do for throughput through that part of the city. It's already total chaos there around rush hour. I notice in Regina, they're beefing up the intersections into Harbour Landing with what looks like double left turn lanes off from Lewvan at Gordon Rd. Might get to be busy around there, eh?
     
     
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Congrats Migs, welcome to married life! I take it you're the masculine side of the family! Remember, the wife is always correct!
Thanks Scruff, the wedding was outstanding and the honeymoon in New York City was fantastic. Great to be back however and once again updating my blog. Oh and no worries, I learned the 'Yes Dear' term long ago.
     
     
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There needs to be the incentive for these businesses to go into these spaces. Has the city zoned these areas for business to move in or would the businesses need to request rezoning? People constantly talk about infill, but not the specifics.
I agree there are lots of issues with infill, and I haven't touched on any specifics (I don't know if I have any in mind...) I was simply, very simply actually, describing my personal desire for the direction of the city's development.

I'm a little bit concerned with incentives though, to me it seems your trying to convince people who'd rather build else-where to come downtown. It can be a useful tool, but it seems to me incentives require a delicate plan.

Zoning, my understanding is that much of the downtown is open to any kind of development besides industrial uses, and perhaps things like strip clubs, other specific kinds of businesses. Where re-zoning probably is more of an issue is in the core neighbourhoods. Making houses into business, offices, and so on. Although there are many examples of old houses converted in this way, so there can't be much of a barrier.
     
     
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A roundabout could easily be accommodated within that space, especially if the centre of the junction could be shifted slightly to the northwest. I know there isn't much experience with traffic circles in Regina, but in the rest of Canada (which generally doesn't have many roundabouts either) they work quite well.

When Saskatoon got rid of the 8th street roundabout it marked the elimination of those hideous things from Saskatchewan.

Good riddance and I hope we never see them reappear.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2008, 11:36 PM
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When Saskatoon got rid of the 8th street roundabout it marked the elimination of those hideous things from Saskatchewan.

Good riddance and I hope we never see them reappear.
If I remember correctly, I think Moose Jaw or Swift Currant still has one.

We should just be happy we don't have any like Swindon's "Magic Roundabout"




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When Saskatoon got rid of the 8th street roundabout it marked the elimination of those hideous things from Saskatchewan.

Good riddance and I hope we never see them reappear.
Why are you opposed to roundabouts? Are there any specific reasons or experience why you don't want them? Even a quick Google search for "roundabout safety" and "roundabout aesthetic" would show you that they are both safer, and can be used as attractive centrepieces/gateways to cities/neighbourhoods.

Lethbridge, Peace River, Brandon, Camrose and Yorkton are some other small Western cities with roundabouts in various applications.

The US Department of Transport has a quick fact sheet outlining the American experience with them so far:

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Benefits
- Crashes are less severe than other intersection crashes.
- Safer than traditional intersections.
- Cost-effective way to improve intersection safety.
- Increased traffic capacity and improved traffic flow.
- No signal equipment to maintain.
- Aesthetic benefits.

Successful Applications: There are increasing numbers of examples of roundabouts demonstrating success in reducing crashes

A 2000 study by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety and several other organizations evaluated 24 intersections in California, Colorado, Florida, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, South Carolina, and Vermont before and after construction of roundabouts. The study revealed a 39-percent decrease in crashes, a 76-percent decrease in injury crashes, and a 90-percent reduction in crashes involving fatal or incapacitating injuries.

A December 2002 study of 15 single-lane roundabouts in Maryland showed a 60-percent decrease in total crash rates, an 82-percent reduction in injury crash rates, a 100-percent decrease in the fatal crash rate, and a 27-percent reduction in property-damage-only (PDO) crash rates. In addition, a soon-to-be-published study by the National Cooperative Highway Research Program found that the installation of roundabouts led to a 35-percent reduction in total crashes and a 76-percent reduction in crashes causing injuries or fatalities
which is also supported by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety; they have a good Q&A showing the benefits to drivers and pedestrians, and they also point out the environmental upside of roundabouts:

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Because roundabouts improve the efficiency of traffic flow, they also reduce vehicle emissions and fuel consumption. In one study, replacing a signalized intersection with a roundabout reduced carbon monoxide emissions by 29 percent and nitrous oxide emissions by 21 percent. In another study, replacing traffic signals and stop signs with roundabouts reduced carbon monoxide emissions by 32 percent, nitrous oxide emissions by 34 percent, carbon dioxide emissions by 37 percent, and hydrocarbon emissions by 42 percent. Constructing roundabouts in place of traffic signals can reduce fuel consumption by about 30 percent. At 10 intersections studied in Virginia, this amounted to more than 200,000 gallons of fuel per year. And roundabouts can enhance aesthetics by providing landscaping opportunities.
and what's more, in North America it looks like it's a home-grown Canadian company leading with expertise in roundabout development (who knows, maybe there'll be a Heritage Moment about them in the future...).

If the stats aren't enough, just Google Image search for "traffic circle" or "roundabout" and you'll see the potential they have. Sure some may be "hideous" (I don't know how that S'toon one you mentioned looked like, maybe it really was awful) and no more attractive than the highway infrastructure they're designed to be, but there's a lot more flexibility there than the usual stop-and-go intersection.

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We should just be happy we don't have any like Swindon's "Magic Roundabout"



Ah yes, some day I hope to actually drive that one - going the "wrong way" on the right, as they say. Confusing as it looks at first glance, "magic roundabouts" are actually safer and more efficient too:

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Such junctions comprising as many as six mini-roundabouts — like a series of cogs in a piece of industrial machinery — did cause some chaos when first encountered by bewildered motorists. But Blackmore proved that the multi-roundabouts reduced speed, increased through-put and aided traffic flow. However, the idea was perhaps one step too far for an incredulous engineering profession, and it never really caught on.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/obituaries/article4131930.ece - Obituary of the roundabout inventor, Frank Blackmore

Like any multi-lane interchange, users will take a little while to get used to it - but since everyone benefits from the reduced fatalities and crashes, the effort to learn how to use the roundabouts is totally feasible and worth it.
     
     
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I agree. A roundabout will never be used for the Ring Rd./Pasqua St. intersection and to even suggest it is absolutely ridiculous. The Ring Road is a freeway, and to go from 100 km/h to a roundabout is just disastrous to think about. Also, I'm sure more traffic goes through that intersection than the busiest intersection in all of the cities mentioned by caveat.doctor, considering Regina is much larger than all of them.

According to Wikipedia, “Roundabouts do not cope as well with the traffic on motorways, highways, or similar fast roads.”
I was basing the suggestion on my own experience with the roundabout on the Trans-Canada to PEI, slowing from 110km/h to 80km/h through the circle (photos above), which went quite (surprisingly) smoothly; and the examples I quoted show a variety of applications, from neighbourhoods to provincial highway junctions. Of course it goes without saying that the application varies according to expected volumes; the Ourston link I quoted suggests

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Where Should Roundabouts be Considered?

Roundabouts are a feasible and practical alternative to other types of control where:

- Traffic flows do not exceed about
~ 2,000 vehicles per hour for one-lane roundabouts; and,
~ 4,000 vehicles per hour for two-lane roundabouts; and,
~ 6,000 vehicles per hour for three-lane roundabouts; and,
~ 8,000 vehicles per hour for four-lane roundabouts.

- Locations experience high rates of angle, rear-end or loss-of-control collisions.

- Stop signs are creating unacceptable delays for side street motorists, but where a traffic signal is not warranted, or where a traffic signal would result in greater delays than a roundabout.

- There is a high proportion of left turning traffic, or where the major traffic route is not straight through the intersection.

- Intersections have unusual geometry or more than four legs.

- It is important to emphasize the transition between urban and rural environments (i.e. gateways).

Roundabouts are not always practical or feasible where:

- Land availability is limited.

- Sight distance of the entry points is limited, such as on abrupt crest vertical curves on the intersection approaches.

- Traffic signal progression is critical, as in some cases roundabouts can disrupt traffic platooning.
Right now the regina.ca website seems unavailable, but if the volume data for the Ring Rd/Pasqua St intersection exceeds those guidelines, of course it may not be feasible. But I don't think your calling it "absolutely ridiculous" to suggest it, when data and research proves the concept (as I pointed out in response to Nat's groundless comment), is either polite or constructive to discussion on this forum. It's something that, if not at Ring Rd/Pasqua St, could be kept an option for future intersections, and not written off as "hideous" without at least some reasoning.

Anyway, I think we'll all agree anything more free-flowing than a four-way traffic light stop would be ideal for that intersection.

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When Saskatoon got rid of the 8th street roundabout it marked the elimination of those hideous things from Saskatchewan.

Good riddance and I hope we never see them reappear.
Correction: Saskatoon has at least three functioning roundabouts throughout the city. Roundabouts are becoming the preferred choice in many of the new suburban communities, community opposition is negligible.

I quite like them. The experience is less irritating than four-way stops or traffic signals, though still irritating (such is driving an automobile on city streets ).
     
     
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The three Saskatoon are quite small by comparison to the dreaded old 8th Street traffic circle. I think they are effective at traffic calming on streets where drivers might be tempted to speed.

A traffic circle/roundabout is impractical, IMHO, on road where cars are travelling at highway speed. A grade-separated interchange is definitely the way to go. The Pasqua St/Ring Rd junction should allow Ring Rd through-traffic to continue without stopping. A signalized diamond like at Arcola Ave would probably be sufficient.

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Correction: Saskatoon has at least three functioning roundabouts throughout the city. Roundabouts are becoming the preferred choice in many of the new suburban communities, community opposition is negligible.

I quite like them. The experience is less irritating than four-way stops or traffic signals, though still irritating (such is driving an automobile on city streets ).
     
     
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Traffic circles are safer, more efficient, and less irritating than signal lights. I don't see why so many Canadians (particularly in Saskatchewan) hate them so much.

Even the people in Moose Jaw can handle traffic circles! They're not as difficult to navigate as many people claim.
     
     
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The roundabout in Moose Jaw is low traffic. It's rare that you'd run into another vehicle at the same time.
     
     
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I was basing the suggestion on my own experience with the roundabout on the Trans-Canada to PEI, slowing from 110km/h to 80km/h through the circle (photos above), which went quite (surprisingly) smoothly; and the examples I quoted show a variety of applications, from neighbourhoods to provincial highway junctions. Of course it goes without saying that the application varies according to expected volumes; the Ourston link I quoted suggests



Right now the regina.ca website seems unavailable, but if the volume data for the Ring Rd/Pasqua St intersection exceeds those guidelines, of course it may not be feasible. But I don't think your calling it "absolutely ridiculous" to suggest it, when data and research proves the concept (as I pointed out in response to Nat's groundless comment), is either polite or constructive to discussion on this forum. It's something that, if not at Ring Rd/Pasqua St, could be kept an option for future intersections, and not written off as "hideous" without at least some reasoning.

Anyway, I think we'll all agree anything more free-flowing than a four-way traffic light stop would be ideal for that intersection.

Looks to me like the section of Ring Road from Albert to Lewvan is 12,300 vehicles per day and the section of Lewvan from Gordon Road to Ring Road is 7,600.
     
     
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Published: Saturday, August 16, 2008

REGINA -- As Barbara Clark waits for the city bus on 11th Avenue, she fumes over what she feels Regina Transit is missing.

"If our city is growing, then the buses have to grow too," Clark says as she keeps an eye out for her bus. "If (former Regina mayor) Henry Baker had the buses running from 6 to 12, (Mayor) Pat (Fiacco) can have it running from 6 to 12 and on Sunday and holidays."

Clark, a frequent Regina Transit user, says that she would like to see an extension on Sunday and evening service and new services introduced on statutory holidays. She points out that seniors and poorer families are unable to participate in city-wide holiday celebrations as a result of a shorter bus schedule.

If you want your city to grow and (prosper) put the buses out there," she says. "Less vehicles downtown so people can walk ... we don't need all the vehicles downtown."

It is issues such as old bus schedules, an overused bus fleet, badly needed system upgrades and a lack of accessibility that are now being looked at by Regina Transit. With the help of an external consultant and a major transit survey, which was launched in February, Regina Transit will develop recommendations to present to city council later this year. With the city expected to grow more in the coming years, Dave Onodera, director of transit, acknowledges that the time has come to take a hard look at where Regina Transit needs to go next.

"The city and the system probably hasn't kept pace effectively with the growth in the last few years," he says. "We're kind of in a little bit of a holding pattern."

Onodera, who came into the job earlier this year, says that many issues factor into the possible changes Regina Transit may propose, including urban planning, transit users' concerns, and the culture of Regina itself.

"Part of it is also building a culture that supports transit, because it is a very car-oriented culture so that's going to be a tough one to change," Onodera says.

Another issue for the transit system is money.

According to the Ministry of Municipal Affairs, the City of Regina received over $35 million of unconditional funds in the last year as part of a revenue sharing deal between the city and the province. Margo Jones, ministerial assistant for Municipal Affairs, says that while the money is free to be spent anywhere the city deems necessary, there are no funds currently coming from the province to the cities specifically for public transit.

The Ministry of Social Services provides an additional $15 subsidy monthly for those on social assistance who use public transit.

The city also received close to $6 million dollars in February from the federal government, which is being used to help with fleet expansion, fare collections and customer tracking services. While this money is being put to good use now, Onodera says that the city needs more to make the changes necessary to grow.

"Everybody says 'we want an express bus, or a limited-stop service, or a quicker bus to get downtown' and that's all well and good but there's going to be some compromises in those kinds of ideas," he says. "We can put all of the service they want out there, if someone is willing to pay for it."

Catherine Verrall, acting president of Transport 2000 Prairie, says that the funding problem is a result of a mistaken identity when it comes to how funders look at public transit. Transport 2000 Prairie is part of a nation-wide advocacy group that focuses on raising awareness about the positives of public transit. Verrall, a 79-year-old lifelong transit user who has never driven a car, says that many people who can help with funding public transit don't give it a high enough priority.

"Here, it's something like, we have to spend all this money on roads and then we'll subsidize the poor people who ride the bus," she says. "It's not thought of as an investment, it's thought of as a subsidy."

Verrall points out that many people choose to go car free for their health, convenience in the winter and to reduce their carbon footprint. But like Onodera, Verrall says that good urban planning is essential to creating a user friendly transit system.

"As long as they keep bending the rules and allowing developments to spread out and spread out, then it's an extreme drain on the public transit system," she says. "If the transit's going to serve those areas, they have to spread out the same amount of money to do more, or else those people don't get served."

Verrall believes transit could be more comfortable and welcoming to those who use it, but there is a fair way to go to get to that point.

Bus driver Rich Dumais is all too aware of some of the discomforts of the current system. As he drives along Regina Transit route eight in the hot July sun, he points out how he keeps the aging bus cool in the prairie heat. The bus is like many others in Regina Transit's fleet, which are anywhere from 18 to 30 years old. Old, bouncy and pouring black smoke out of their stacks, they make up the majority of the city's transit unit.

"The trick is to keep moving, just sit in one place for a minute or two and just keep windows open, vents open," he says. "Poor man's A/C."

Dumais started working for Regina Transit in 1995 and since then, he's developed a different view of public transit in the city. While he acknowledges that some changes are needed, especially in regards to the infrastructure of Regina transit, he feels that transit services are adequate for Regina's size and that a lot of the issues with schedules come from the past.

"When you look at a map and it's servicing an area but it's leaving out an area ... those are over the years when they kind of tone it down because that general area didn't want service, or a general area doesn't have enough riders," he says. "But it's a service you have to provide."

Olivier LaChance, a 16-year-old exchange student from Quebec City, says that in his hometown the buses run more frequently and later than in Regina. During his time here, he is forced to walk or uses his bike when Regina Transit isn't available.

"It is long, but you have to do it. You have no car, you have to take the bus," he says as he boards the bus outside the Cornwall Centre. "You have to be patient sometimes in life."

However, there are those who do not believe that Regina Transit needs to make many changes.

Amanda Hehn, a 24-year-old who has used transit since she was in high school, says that she finds that the current transit schedule and routes suit her needs just fine. Like LaChance if the bus isn't running at a time she needs it, she adjusts her schedule accordingly by getting someone to drive her or by staying home.

"I don't usually take the bus at night, I'm usually at home," she says. "I just usually stay home when they're not running."

This type of attitude is what makes Clark feel upset because she doesn't see why anyone should make this kind of choice.

"If they want to treat this like a fair city, like Toronto, then treat it like that," she says.

But there is one part about Regina Transit Clark does like -- the drivers.

"All the drivers are very, very nice. Very few are rude," she says as she smiles and says hello to a driver who is coming off his shift.

It's this same level of comfort and familiarity with patrons that Dumais likes about his job. He says that he once had an elderly woman on his route who would bring him a roast beef sandwich everyday because she knew it was his favourite.

"That makes it great for driving a bus," he says. "In Regina, unlike Toronto, you see the same faces all the time."




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Heh! I remember that 8th St. roundabout in Saskatoon! It was kind of scary trying to traverse that thing by bike -- in my sprite-lier days at U of S -- wondering if a car was going to zip in front of me from behind and cut me off while turning out or if someone would carelessly rear-end me! (bad for bike!) ... Back then I wasn't completely familiar with the city so I didn't know many alternate routes, plus I was probably a bit more foolish!
     
     
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I used to think Roundabouts were neat, but after the "Magic Roundabout" pic, I am praying that we stick to Trumpet and Diamond designs.

In another topic, Anybody hear any news about Harvard lot beside the twins? It seems that 2008 has been slow for new proposals & developments downtown. But im sure something is in the works.

EDIT: I found a pic that has a roundabout incorperated into the expressway design. I would
much prefer this if a roundbout was to be used.
     
     
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The roundabout in Moose Jaw is low traffic. It's rare that you'd run into another vehicle at the same time.
I lived there for three years and found that especially during the day, it was rare that you didn't encounter a vehicle at the same time. There is an elementary school and SIAST to the west of the roundabout, plus that street (Sask St) is the main drag to get to Main Street, so to me, it seemed fairly busy, but it was never congested.
     
     
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The roundabout in Moose Jaw is low traffic. It's rare that you'd run into another vehicle at the same time.
I lived there for three years and found that especially during the day, it was rare that you didn't encounter a vehicle at the same time. There is an elementary school and SIAST to the west of the roundabout, plus that street (Sask St) is the main drag to get to Main Street, so to me, it seemed fairly busy, but it was never congested.
Verify or dismiss this urban legend for me. I've been told numerous people in Moose Jaw that the roundabout on Saskatchewan Street W and 4th Avenue NW was put in by a disgruntled traffic engineer in his last days of working for the City of Moose Jaw.
     
     
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