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LO 044 · #**2521** Posted **May 1, 2008, 8:17 PM**

Alberta rolls out record spending on road construction
Jason Markusoff, edmontonjournal.com
Published: 1:28 pm
EDMONTON - The long, dark drive from Edmonton to its international airport will be brightened this summer by 230 new light posts.

Transportation Minister Luke Ouellette announced today that the province will install the lights on the QE2 highway all the way from Ellerslie Road to Airport Road, as part of the province's record $1.9 billion spending on highway construction this year.

The province will also start work on the northwest stretch of the Anthony Henday ring road, and bridges and overpasses on Highway 63 in and around Fort McMurray, although further twinning of the infamously dangerous road wasn't part of today's announcement. In total, the Stelmach government will repave 1,240 kilometres of provincial highways - including stretches south of Ellerslie Road - and complete 50 kilometres of new paved highway.

Ouellette admitted there's still a lot of catching up to do on Alberta's infrastructure deficit. Despite the nearly 60-per-cent increase over last year's highway construction budget, increased heavy-truck use and age continue to wear down the province's roads.

"We believe by 2011 that we should be up to the area where we are actually repairing our roads as fast as they are degenerating," he told reporters.

George Rogers, MLA for Leduc-Beaumont-Devon, said he's long pushed for the light standards along the busy highway stretch leading out of Edmonton. It will boost safety, he said, but also improve visitors' impressions of the capital.

"That's the first thing people see when the get here, the darkness on the way from the airport. It was long overdue," Rogers said.

MalcolmTucker · #**2522** Posted **May 1, 2008, 8:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by onishenko

Dodged that bullet.... not that it was realistic.

The report could have come back with the recommendation that the airport be closed... no?

MalcolmTucker · #**2523** Posted **May 1, 2008, 8:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

great news!

Alberta rolls out record spending on road construction
Jason Markusoff, edmontonjournal.com
Published: 1:28 pm
EDMONTON - The long, dark drive from Edmonton to its international airport will be brightened this summer by 230 new light posts.

Transportation Minister Luke Ouellette announced today that the province will install the lights on the QE2 highway all the way from Ellerslie Road to Airport Road, as part of the province's record $1.9 billion spending on highway construction this year.

5/1/08

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/ne...2836-c602-4e7f-9a58-66f209a9306d&k=20839

Wow your way too excited about that! My only consolation is I will never have to hear you complain about this again.

tuffyy · #**2524** Posted **May 1, 2008, 8:30 PM**

I am not sure about you, but 15 minutes from home (west Edmonton) to the office (airport) isnt that long...

The lights are long overdue...

240glt · #**2525** Posted **May 1, 2008, 8:30 PM**

Maybe the whining from the Calgary forumers about YEG seeming so far out of the city will cease

KrisYYC · #**2526** Posted **May 1, 2008, 8:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rocket252

So if the main reason AC started YEG-LHR was market demand the assumption would that AC feels there is not enough market demand to start a YEG - FRA?

It would appear to me that most of AC decisions regarding YEG are based on stopping the other guy coming in and taking the business away rather than being proactive and actually caring about service here.

You are correct, there isn't enough demand for YEG-FRA at this very moment at least. Especially considering how slot restricted FRA is.

This is how the airline business works.

As far as AC's decisions being based on stopping the "other guy" from taking business away.... well who exactly are the other guys? Do you honestly think that BA wanted YEG and when AC announced YEG-LHR they switched to YYC????

These woe is us conspiracy theories about YEG are getting tiresome.

Coldrsx · #**2527** Posted **May 1, 2008, 8:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by kyle_olsen

Wow your way too excited about that! My only consolation is I will never have to hear you complain about this again.

small things add up and this is one of those small things that was indeed long overdue.

perception is often overlooked and quite often simple to change.

LO 044 · #**2528** Posted **May 1, 2008, 8:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by KrisYYC

You are correct, there isn't enough demand for YEG-FRA at this very moment at least. Especially considering how slot restricted FRA is.

This is how the airline business works.

As far as AC's decisions being based on stopping the "other guy" from taking business away.... well who exactly are the other guys? Do you honestly think that BA wanted YEG and when AC announced YEG-LHR they switched to YYC????

These woe is us conspiracy theories about YEG are getting tiresome.

Hey Kris, do you know how well the YYC-FRA routes are doing in terms of loads or yields or whatever? Specifically, is the LH flight out performing the AC flight. I'm curious because the earlier LH flight, i've always argued, has convenient departure / arrival times.

rapid_business · #**2529** Posted **May 1, 2008, 8:43 PM**

yeah...been waiting for those lights for a long time. Good news!

KrisYYC · #**2530** Posted **May 1, 2008, 9:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by LO 044

Hey Kris, do you know how well the YYC-FRA routes are doing in terms of loads or yields or whatever? Specifically, is the LH flight out performing the AC flight. I'm curious because the earlier LH flight, i've always argued, has convenient departure / arrival times.

Hey LO 044,

I know the LH loads are high, but I don't know about their yields because the LH flight has an F cabin and I don't know what LH's operating costs are compared to AC's. The LH flight is a co-op with AC so the yields in Y and business class are probably similar though. AC's YYC-FRA is a top performer in AC's network in both load factor and yield. It's also a strong cargo flight too, lot's of stuff going to the middle east, or horsemeat to Germany believe it or not. In fact it's not uncommon to see big wood crates with "IRAQ" stamped on one side and "HALLIBURTON" stamped on the other.

Bigtime · #**2531** Posted **May 1, 2008, 9:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by LO 044

Hey Kris, do you know how well the YYC-FRA routes are doing in terms of loads or yields or whatever? Specifically, is the LH flight out performing the AC flight. I'm curious because the earlier LH flight, i've always argued, has convenient departure / arrival times.

I'm definitely looking at using the LH flight on my annual business trip over to Germany for those very reasons.

tuffyy · #**2532** Posted **May 1, 2008, 9:48 PM**

YEG-FRA no demand???

Let me pull the numbers for the route...

Lets not forget I work for the EAA but I also worked for the GTAA so my numbers are not a pull them out of my A$$.

YYC was more the desired location for the flight to start, not that YEG does not have the numbers.

O&D is fairly strong for the route, but like the YEG-LHR route connecting traffic to onward destinations is strong.

I will try to get my hands on the file and prove my point.

*For anyone with a ''spotting'' bug there is a NATO 707 and E-3 at YEG right now.Aswell a RNAF KC-10 is expected today also.

MalcolmTucker · #**2533** Posted **May 1, 2008, 10:05 PM**

Lots of 707 variants in and out for the exercise eh? Any idea when the last non-military 707 came to town?

KrisYYC · #**2534** Posted **May 1, 2008, 10:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by tuffyy

YEG-FRA no demand???

Let me pull the numbers for the route...

Lets not forget I work for the EAA but I also worked for the GTAA so my numbers are not a pull them out of my A$$.

YYC was more the desired location for the flight to start, not that YEG does not have the numbers.

O&D is fairly strong for the route, but like the YEG-LHR route connecting traffic to onward destinations is strong.

I will try to get my hands on the file and prove my point.

*For anyone with a ''spotting'' bug there is a NATO 707 and E-3 at YEG right now.Aswell a RNAF KC-10 is expected today also.

Who said no demand??

Jasper and one o nin · #**2535** Posted **May 1, 2008, 10:09 PM**

I wished that AC would have split LHR and Frankfurt from YEG - LHR 4X weekly and Frankfurt 3 X.

Rocket252 · #**2536** Posted **May 2, 2008, 12:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by KrisYYC

Who said no demand??

So what are you saying?

There is demand but no slots available at FRA to justify the route?

EdmTrekker · #**2537** Posted **May 2, 2008, 12:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by KrisYYC

You are correct, there isn't enough demand for YEG-FRA at this very moment at least. These woe is us conspiracy theories about YEG are getting tiresome.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisYYC

Who said no demand??

What are you smoking??????

eemy · #**2538** Posted **May 2, 2008, 1:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

What are you smoking??????

There's a bit of a difference between no demand and not enough demand.

KrisYYC · #**2539** Posted **May 2, 2008, 2:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

There's a bit of a difference between no demand and not enough demand.

Exactly, that's what I mean. There isn't enough demand (including yield) at this very moment for AC to justify using a priceless FRA slot operating YEG-FRA. Doesn't mean it won't happen in the future, in fact I wouldn't be suprised if YEG had its own FRA flight within 5 years if growth remains steady.

It's not just about passenger numbers, it's about money. Sure YEG may be able to fill a 767 every day to FRA, but can it generate more money than a 767 operating to FRA from another Canadian city?

Eg:

City A= YEG

City B= Another Candian city.

City A demand= 200pax/day average
City B demand= 200pax/day average

City A average yield= $1000/pax
City B average yield= $1500/pax

Slots available at FRA= 1

Who do you think will get the flight?

If AC has limited aircraft to play with then they will put that aircraft on ANY route that would out perform YEG-FRA.

It's way more than just pure passenger numbers. Even if YEG could fill the planes, it doesn't mean it'll generate more money for the airline than using the aircraft on another route. There's other factors involved too like airport handling costs that vary from airport to airport. But when a another city gets a flight that YEG wanted there's a real economical reason for it, it's not a conspiracy to shun service away from YEG

Jasper and one o nin · #**2540** Posted **May 2, 2008, 2:09 AM**

okay Im not sure if I understand. Why would the yield of another canadian city be more than edmonton?