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View Poll Results: Would you vote for a ETS Rapid Transit masterplan scheme?
Yes, I'd vote for more BRT/LRT 301 82.92%
No, what we have is fine. 34 9.37%
I dunno, maybe, yes, no, whatever. 28 7.71%
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Hey, just tell you-know-who's boss that despite money, I am the guy they NEED to hire. I am 20 steps ahead and more committed to planning then any other student they'd potentially lay eyes on... Passing me up would be a big mistake...
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Good call Kyle. Why not hire a private firm to do the hard work and number crunching to come up with some solid, blue-print ideas to start to formulate ideas on?
They did . And there's not just 1 consultant involved. Trust me, the consultants are advising City Administration that the piece-meal LRT planning will not work, they have to think big (ie. how to maximize the development of infrastructure, combine road / LRT bridges, etc).

Oh, and the SE line is a prime line that is being examined more and more. That is one of the most important lines given the number of transit riders in Millwoods. Hint, Houdini the 23 Ave route.
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He wants LRT to go to St.Albert for sure, but which route eventually ends up going there is still open for discussion.
You're right.
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"houdini 23 ave route" - gladly. Given your statements it sounds like we might see a proposal for a combined traffic/lrt bridge, either for wLRT at 87 ave or seLRT at ???
     
     
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"houdini 23 ave route" - gladly. Given your statements it sounds like we might see a proposal for a combined traffic/lrt bridge, either for wLRT at 87 ave or seLRT at ???
/\ There are much better alignments for the SE line and that's all I can say for now.
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Very interesting. Proceed to speculation mode (note: not asking for any clarification): (1) Highlevel bridge - through old strat and then a couple of potential routes to follow SE (not sure where we'd integrate with present LRT); (2) new bridge crossing at gateway to include seLRT ROW -then on through old strat and SE (not sure how this would integrate with present LRT - presumably cross line station in a tunnel); (3) use WGD bridge and take LRT all the way into MW on 75st, joins up with present LRT at commonwealth; or (4) some sort of river crossing that allows LRT to proceed up connors, then on to 75st.
     
     
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Where and how do you cross the river though? Replace the low level with a bridge going over the james mac?
     
     
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Where and how do you cross the river though? Replace the low level with a bridge going over the james mac?
What a novel idea .....

Over, under, roads can be realigned...
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Indeed they can. Given the grade changes for a route up Connors, I would imagine any bridge would go over JM. For the same reason, I would imagine we'd be looking at a tunneled approach out of central station (cheaper than churchill) and a softened grade up connors. Not to mention land acquisition from either the Ski Club or houses to the north. Obviously a pricey option but certainly the most direct route. I guess the gateway option involves similar considerations. Although, it would have the advantage of hitting old strathcona.
     
     
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Indeed they can. Given the grade changes for a route up Connors, I would imagine any bridge would go over JM. For the same reason, I would imagine we'd be looking at a tunneled approach out of central station (cheaper than churchill) and a softened grade up connors. Not to mention land acquisition from either the Ski Club or houses to the north. Obviously a pricey option but certainly the most direct route. I guess the gateway option involves similar considerations. Although, it would have the advantage of hitting old strathcona.
How about it tunnels out from Downtown at a level high enough to clear the James Mac and continues as an elevated line until intersecting with whatever section of Connors Hill there is left to clear?
     
     
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That is exactly what I was getting at. A snippet of sky train technology for our LRT.
     
     
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I like the conners hill route. You can hit close to strathern and bonnie doon for a possible TOD. I was wondering what the steepest grade the LRT can climb up conners hill is?
     
     
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I'm not sure of the exact grade but I do know that the grade between university and HS required special brakes.
     
     
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I like the conners hill route. You can hit close to strathern and bonnie doon for a possible TOD. I was wondering what the steepest grade the LRT can climb up conners hill is?
6.48% I think is absolute max.

Engineered steepest grade is for 5-5.5% max.

I'll double check and get back....
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Cops and transit security join forces to clean up Coliseum LRT station

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Monday, March 03, 2008


There is no single reality.

Tonight I'm getting a glimpse into other ones -- ones I wish didn't exist. I'm at the Coliseum LRT station, witnessing a joint undercover operation of police and transit security staff.

I see a man in handcuffs, braying with outrage and alcoholic breath at his new reality. I see three hapless kids stuff booze bottles into their clothing, unaware of the security camera's telescopic gaze.

I see a group of apprentice gangsters passing around a drug pipe. I see another group prepare to light a joint, right in front of a undercover cop.

I see how most of these teenage kids carry themselves in a manner that is almost comical. He's a "gangsta". She's a "ho".

Except it's not funny. Who knows what kind of hell waits at home for these kids, who hide their wounds behind affected ghetto fashion, threatening gazes and intoxicants.

Why Coliseum station? Turns out that the very qualities that make LRT attractive to good citizens, make it attractive to petty criminals, youth-gang members, addicts and drunks. LRT is cheap, relatively speaking. And it gets you from point A to point B easily and quickly.

For the members of Edmonton's burgeoning underworld, point A is often some dark corner downtown. Point B is some sketchy 'hood around the LRT's northern route.

Coliseum station is the main port of call for this, the minor leagues of criminality. Some jump off here to do business with the local retail trade of drugs, alcohol or sex. But a lot of so-called "at-risk" teens meet up with their ilk to hang around the Coliseum's concrete halls and platforms.

Transit systems in all major cities are always at risk of a criminal infestation. Riders will abandon subways and buses in droves if they feel insecure or intimidated.

That's why we're here tonight. Police, along with the peace officers of Edmonton Transit, are turning the tables by bringing some insecurity and intimidation to the people who specialize in it.

The joint operation involves uniformed security staff, led by Stewart Wells, along with a handful of jeans-and-hoodies undercover cops. Back at transit headquarters, Ken Mills is manoeuvring Coliseum station's bank of roving, zooming security cameras.

Over recent years, transit security has kept detailed records and reports of every incident and every perpetrator. Their records are so good they know when and where each week to look for trouble.

Mills' job tonight is to watch for high-profile targets -- some have 100 or more incidents on their transit record -- and point the undercover cops in their direction. If all goes well, the perp will do something stupid, allowing the cops to lay a criminal charge.

Or the target might have outstanding warrants. That's the case with the braying man in handcuffs. He's earned a trip to jail, all because he originally lit a cigarette on the LRT platform.

In this operation, Mr. Loudmouth is a major bust. They've only arrested a half-dozen people on mischief charges to date.

But that's not the point. The point is to get on top of even the most minor infractions and write tickets. Someone puts their feet up on an LRT seat. Ticket. Smoking in the station. Ticket. Public urination. Ticket. Swearing. Ticket.

The idea is that people who ignore the basic rules tend to ignore the laws of the land. Let them get away with the small stuff and next they'll be robbing you of your wallet or iPod.

So far, the operation has issued more than 250 tickets. It's also flushed out 100 outstanding warrants. Two knives, a screwdriver and a can of bear spray were seized, along with a hall party's worth of booze and a bit of weed.

The police are here, in part, because they're regularly being called to Coliseum station. Transit security staff are now highly trained and carry batons.

But cops are often necessary because peace officers can't lay criminal charges and can't access police computers to identify an unco-operative offender.

Yet reducing police calls for service isn't the point, either. The ultimate aim is to reinforce the rules, reduce the amount of disorder and claim the transit service for law-abiding citizens.

My kids ride these trains. They transfer at Coliseum station. So I'm grateful to the men and woman of this operation.

At the end of the evening I sit with Mills in his downtown office, watching him flick between the station's security cameras. He stops on the group of kids caught earlier with the joint.

The camera zooms in on two teenagers who were strutting their gangsta stuff a few minutes ago. Their eyes are wide. They're sitting upright, hands in lap, answering questions and nodding politely. They look like frightened little boys.

Call it a dose of reality. Ours, not theirs.

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