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Old Posted Jan 28, 2008, 10:40 PM
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Library checks out alternatives
City isn't supportive of blocking 23rd Street, says library director
Janet French and Mark Ferguson, The StarPhoenix
Published: Monday, January 28, 2008
The Saskatoon Public Library board will rethink its options for a bigger downtown branch -- after a city official said closing down a block of 23rd Street won't happen.

On Sunday, director of libraries Zenon Zuzak said city manager Phil Richards told him last week council won't get behind the library's proposal to expand its central branch building onto 23rd Street between Third and Fourth avenues.

"But, council is prepared to look for other options for us to stay on that location," Zuzak said.

The Frances Morrison branch is desperate for space and needs to double its size from about 78,000 to 150,000 square feet, Zuzak said. When the branch was built in 1966, Saskatoon had half the population.

The library board had hoped to commission a feasibility study to determine the impact closing the street would have on traffic and parking. At a closed council meeting earlier this month, the library asked council's executive committee for its support. At two open houses last fall, public support for a feasibility study was high, Zuzak said.

"Council basically came back and said there won't be a street closure," Zuzak said.

Although the library won't decide its next move until the board meets on Feb. 20, Zuzak said the proposal to expand onto the street is likely off the table without the city's support.

"I don't see how we could look at it more," he said.

However, Zuzak's comments puzzled several councillors, who said they have taken no official vote to rule out closing 23rd Street to accommodate a larger library. Coun. Charlie Clark said several councillors voiced concerns about shutting the street.

"That's the definite flavour of what they've said," he said.

However, he believes the library should do a feasibility study, looking at all options for expanding the branch on its existing site, including the possibility of blocking traffic.

"I don't feel like I have enough information to say yes or no to (closing the street)," he said.

Coun. Tiffany Paulsen said the topic hasn't come up since the library presented its proposal to the executive committee.

"There was no 'You cannot' or, 'You will not,' " she said. "It was, 'We need to investigate all of the possibilities.' "

However, she adds, "Given some of the concerns given by many of the councillors about shutting own 23rd, I can see how they'd get that impression."

City manager Richards could not be reached for comment Sunday.

The Partnership, the downtown business improvement district, has been lobbying council to nix the street closure proposal.

"We are very much in favour that the main branch of the library should be downtown," executive director Terry Scaddan said.

"But we'd like to see something innovative . . . closing down a street doesn't speak to innovation."

A feasibility study would not change The Partnership's position, Scaddan said, calling the result of closing an adjacent block of 23rd Street for the bus mall, "not pretty."

Saskatoon Mayor Don Atchison agrees 23rd Street in front of city hall should stay open. "We need to utilize the space we have better."

Zuzak isn't sure what other options the library would have to double its size in its current location without expanding onto 23rd Street.

The existing building could add another floor, but that would add 24,000 square feet at most -- that's a third of what it needs.

Extending the library over 23rd Street is another possibility the library could suggest to designers.

These architects, they can come up with all sorts of spatial relations buildings," he said.

Zuzak said he's not discouraged about the vetoed street closure.

"I try to look at the positive," he said.

Three years ago, some civic leaders were skeptical about the library's need for more space, and now "everyone's working together to do what it takes to get there," he said.

"I think now everyone's aware of the situation and the need to expand or build a larger facility for the central library," Zuzak said.

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i agree that 23rd street shouldn't be blocked. Just an idea but what if they moved to the warehouse district. it would make that area of the downtown more busy and they could move to a ware house to give a neat effect.
Terry Scaddan said.

"But we'd like to see something innovative . . . closing down a street doesn't speak to innovation."

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mabey they could move to a buildign like the John Deere warehouse. i believe it is arouund 5 floors so it would easily be large enough. They could build a glass roof like in the bay condos to make it innovative and there is lots of room to expand in the future. The city council pretty much destroyed anychance of them staying there. they cant build up and they cant spread out.
Build over top of 23rd street...interesting, they should explore that if some are unwilling to look at the effects of closing 23rd Street permanently.

I too thought the John Deere warehouse might be a possibility, surely it can hold the weight of books (wasn't it used for tractor assembly, those are quite heavy I am sure).
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2008, 10:59 PM
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I think closing 23rd street is a bad idea, there are enough issues with traffic flow in that area with the bus mall as it is. Building over top is even less desirable as I think that would creat a scary tunnel that no one would want to walk under at night. I can't believe that in a city with this many downtown gravel pods we are discussing building on/over roads.

How is building something overtop of the 23rd St. cheaper than demo-ing wha they have now and building new?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2008, 11:00 PM
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And furthermore, couldn't the new proposed "Lighthouse" tower incorporate more space for the police? Wouldn't that be cheaper than the $91 million for a brand new police station? They could connect the new building to the old, and then they wouldn't have to abandon the old building. With office space for the police and market condos, that could be a decently tall structure.
     
     
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And furthermore, couldn't the new proposed "Lighthouse" tower incorporate more space for the police? Wouldn't that be cheaper than the $91 million for a brand new police station? They could connect the new building to the old, and then they wouldn't have to abandon the old building. With office space for the police and market condos, that could be a decently tall structure.
Hey, I like your line of thought on that one...that would be an innovative solution in so many ways

$91 million for police would then become maybe $50 million, plus $11 million for the residential...lets say $65 million for a cool mixed used building, yeah sounds about right.

Then we use the savings from integrating the police headquarters and affordable housing to build the whitewater park

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Old Posted Jan 28, 2008, 11:12 PM
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I think closing 23rd street is a bad idea, there are enough issues with traffic flow in that area with the bus mall as it is. Building over top is even less desirable as I think that would creat a scary tunnel that no one would want to walk under at night. I can't believe that in a city with this many downtown gravel pods we are discussing building on/over roads.

How is building something overtop of the 23rd St. cheaper than demo-ing wha they have now and building new?
That is why we need a feasibility report laying out some options, they should have done a report years ago...bad library, and bad city officials city officials
     
     
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30 stories? Given floorplate scales can Saskatoon really absorb 500,000 square feet of space? Does Cameco need that much space?

What is the land situation like in downtown Saskatoon? There might now be too much land to warrant reasonably tall commercial buidlings.

Calgary didn't get major buildings downtown until the late 60s, when Calgary's population was around 350k. Even before the first oil crisis/boom, more and more offices were being planned for downtown Calgary due to the city councils commitment to solidify downtown as a preeminent business core. If it hadn't, Calgary's suburbs would be more like Missisauga and downtown would be much less impressive.

I'm glad your mayor is actively championing this. I hope its the start of many good things!
It would be cool to see both major Saskatchewan cities to crack that 30 storey mark in the same timeframe.

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Oh man...Winnipeg and now Saskatoon?

Wind turbines: good.

Wind turbines as part of your skyline: terrible.


SUCH an eyesore. Saskatoon's skyline definitely needs some help...but a wind turbine is the LAST thing that can help it.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2008, 2:27 AM
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The rumours of a new tallest and other towers for Regina have forced the Atch to put a bug in people's ear about potential big news in downtown Saskatoon.

It's all about regina eh? What a bone-headed statement. Try living in the real world for a while....
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2008, 2:28 AM
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It's all about regina eh? What a bone-headed statement. Try living in the real world for a while....
Ouch...someone is a tad bit sensitive. Did you even read the rest of the post or did your eyes tear up after that line?

Relax a bit bud.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2008, 2:28 AM
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Oh man...Winnipeg and now Saskatoon?

Wind turbines: good.

Wind turbines as part of your skyline: terrible.

FYI, Diefenbaker park is nowhere near our downtown skyline.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2008, 2:30 AM
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Ouch...someone is a tad bit sensitive. Did you even read the rest of the post or did your eyes tear up after that line?

Relax a bit bud.
Which part? the part where you stated the obvious? or the part where you tried ass kissing your way out of a stupid comment?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2008, 2:33 AM
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Which part? the part where you stated the obvious? or the part where you tried ass kissing your way out of a stupid comment?
Okay since someone took one too many estrogen pills today, I'm going to delete the post (if I can).

My Lord...
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2008, 2:35 AM
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FYI, Diefenbaker park is nowhere near our downtown skyline.
I'm not talking just downtown. I just don't like the idea of giant, mechanical windmills in urban centres.

I prefer the "field of turbines".

For an urban settings, they rate only a hair above cell towers for me. Eyesores.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2008, 2:42 AM
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Okay since someone took one too many estrogen pills today, I'm going to delete the post (if I can).

My Lord...

Let me ask you this, do you really think our Mayor would say something about his disire to have Cameco build an office tower downtown - during his state of the city address because there are some rumours of some new buildings in Regina? Can you see why I would call you on that? Or have you taken too much testosterone today?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2008, 2:48 AM
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I'm not talking just downtown. I just don't like the idea of giant, mechanical windmills in urban centres.

I prefer the "field of turbines".

For an urban settings, they rate only a hair above cell towers for me. Eyesores.
Because Saskatoon Light and Power is different from Sask Power, the turbines would have to be somewhere within civic boundaries. Saskatoon L&P still would have to sell the energy to Sask Power, then Sask Power sells it back to the city - God love the crowns! If a "field of turbines" were to exist, it would be Sask Power doing the project.
     
     
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I'm not talking just downtown. I just don't like the idea of giant, mechanical windmills in urban centres.

I prefer the "field of turbines".

For an urban settings, they rate only a hair above cell towers for me. Eyesores.
If the wind turbine was proposed for our downtown/skyline, I would go with the following opinion (actual proposed location is south Saskatoon, near the landfill, Queen Elizabeth power station, Praireland, and future south crossing):

Communications towers and wind turbines would not win awards for most beautiful structures, but I kind of like the variety it would add to the skyline (let's not forget the important service they provide).

As well, the blades of a turbine move, they animate the skyline, throw some LEDs on em' and its like being at the Exhibition actually, I take that back, its like being...like being, well I really don't what it'd be like, but I am sure it would look cool to those who don't have wind turbines with LEDs in their downtown.

Winnipeg knows whats up, they'll erect a wind turbine at the Forks and bam, everyone will want one in their urban setting too (including Regina ).

Boston Plans Wind Turbines for City Hall, Schools

If Boston is doing it, it must be cool
     
     
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Let me ask you this, do you really think our Mayor would say something about his disire to have Cameco build an office tower downtown - during his state of the city address because there are some rumours of some new buildings in Regina? Can you see why I would call you on that? Or have you taken too much testosterone today?
No, I don't really think he would say this.
     
     
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Because Saskatoon Light and Power is different from Sask Power, the turbines would have to be somewhere within civic boundaries. Saskatoon L&P still would have to sell the energy to Sask Power, then Sask Power sells it back to the city - God love the crowns! If a "field of turbines" were to exist, it would be Sask Power doing the project.
Fair enough. Hopefully it would be done on the outskirts, if at all then.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2008, 4:04 AM
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Fair enough. Hopefully it would be done on the outskirts, if at all then.
Which is where the proposed locations are. Although it might be cool to see some turbines on the U of S campus. I believe Swift Current also has a separate power utility? I could be wrong.

btw, must be the -40 thats making me grumpy...
     
     
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Isn't Winnipeg planning on putting one of those in the middle of the city?

Honestly, I think wind turbines are cool, but they're an eye sore. I wouldn't want that thing dominating my city's skyline
You got that right .. maybe in some dark industrial area... on contaminated land that can not be used for building use.

Well maybe its not that bad, but please keep them out of downtown.
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