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Old Posted Jan 26, 2008, 5:57 AM
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30 stories? Given floorplate scales can Saskatoon really absorb 500,000 square feet of space? Does Cameco need that much space?
Cameco is waiting for completion of an office conversion of a former furniture store downtown, something like 60-90 employees are to be working in that space; they are also currently constructing a $20-30 million office across the street from their current head office, I think its around 68,000 sq feet, probably ~ 2-3 floors.





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What is the land situation like in downtown Saskatoon? There might now be too much land to warrant reasonably tall commercial buidlings.
Yeah, that's what some of us are thinking. There has been many smaller office buildings going up, and some adaptive reuse occurring in the older buildings. I have very little knowledge on our Downtown office vacancy/demand (I searched, but only found data from 2006).

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I'm glad your mayor is actively championing this. I hope its the start of many good things!
I'm glad as well, as long as citizens and downtown businesses keep up the pressure for a more vibrant downtown, we should expect better things in the future.
     
     
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Rumour. Saskatoon Light and Power is looking into installing some wind turbines somewhere in the city. Possible locations are Diefenbaker Park or somewhere out by Silversprings...
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2008, 8:38 PM
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i found these photos and thought they should be posted(most of these buildings are destroyed
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i believe broadway bridge in construction

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building on left ross block, destroyed. tall building on right also destroyed





the first of the famous bess under broadway bridge photos taken in early 1930's



my favorite (taken from the tip of the bess)



queen's hotel before it burned down in 1980 i think it looks beautiful even though i never saw it



the queens hotel again, i believe that ugly parkade replaced it by midtown after it burned
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Old Posted Jan 26, 2008, 11:04 PM
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Rumour. Saskatoon Light and Power is looking into installing some wind turbines somewhere in the city. Possible locations are Diefenbaker Park or somewhere out by Silversprings...
They've been talking about wind turbines for at least a year now (I know Diefenbaker Park was mentioned before). Are the rumors/plans more likely to materialize this time around? I hope it happens sooner rather than later
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2008, 3:30 PM
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They've been talking about wind turbines for at least a year now (I know Diefenbaker Park was mentioned before). Are the rumors/plans more likely to materialize this time around? I hope it happens sooner rather than later
And here I thought I was breaking some juicy gossip . I heard they will cost around 6 mill to construct, 500 - 700k a year to maintain and operate, and the break even time is fairly short. It would make economical sense to go ahead with the project even if only a few are constructed.
     
     
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And here I thought I was breaking some juicy gossip . I heard they will cost around 6 mill to construct, 500 - 700k a year to maintain and operate, and the break even time is fairly short. It would make economical sense to go ahead with the project even if only a few are constructed.
Its still juicy news swilley

Here is what I found on Gordon Wyant's - City Councillor - Ward 5 website
I can only assume that its current.

I am pleased to provide an update on Saskatoon Light and Power's progress with respect to developing an alternative energy power generation project. Saskatoon Light and Power is a branch of the City of Saskatoon 's Utility Services Department.

SL&P has been actively pursuing alternative energy possibilities. One of the alternative energy possibilities that is being investigated is wind power. From 2006 to 2007, SL&P, in partnership with the Saskatchewan Opportunities and Crown Investments Corporations, co-funded a feasibility study. The study was completed by Saskatchewan Research Council (SRC) and it assessed the possibility of harnessing wind power in Saskatoon . In addition, in response to the provincial government's interest in hydrogen fuel development and in consideration of SRC's expertise in this area, the study also evaluated the viability of using some of the electricity generated by the wind turbines to create hydrogen for use as a vehicle fuel. The study indicated that wind power generation from tall wind turbines appears to be technically and economically viable. An assessment of potential wind power sites located within Saskatoon Light & Power's jurisdiction area revealed only two possible locations. These locations were the site north of Innovation Place in the area of Attridge Drive and Central Avenue and the Diefenbaker Park site on St. Henry Avenue . SL&P subsequently applied to Navigation Canada (NAVCAN) for permission at the two Saskatoon sites to erect tall wind turbines and/or wind monitoring structures. Permission was recently granted for a single structure at the Diefenbaker Park location.

The next step entails the installation of an 80 metre tower at the proposed site for a one year assessment of actual wind conditions. This data is required by all wind turbine manufacturers prior to the sale of any turbines. During this period of collecting wind data, a comprehensive environmental assessment would be completed. This assessment is required by law prior to the permitting of any wind facility.

SL&P will continue to work with the Crown Investment Corporation and SRC in regards to adding a hydrogen fueling station to the project. The combined initiatives of the wind turbine and hydrogen fuelling station may foster improved funding possibilities. Unfortunately, due to the decision by NAVCAN restricting the location of a wind turbine to Diefenbaker Park only, Innovation Place has declined further participation in the project.

The goal of the wind and environmental assessments project is to culminate in the construction and operation of a large wind turbine in Diefenbaker Park . This turbine would provide electrical power to the hydrogen fuelling station with the majority going to the SL&P grid. In addition, it would demonstrate the City's commitment of lowering GHG emissions through electrical energy production.

The erection of the one year wind monitoring tower may have implications with respect to the policies for heights of structures. The environmental assessment would identify the need for any changes to existing policies regarding the turbine height, noise, emissions, and proximity to residential and industrial areas.

From Council's perspective, this is an exciting joint venture project. As a project, it works quite nicely within a greenhouse gas omission reduction strategy which has been recently announced by Council.

If you have any questions or comments, please do not hesitate to contact me at your convenience.
     
     
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^ That's an informed update on the wind power project, thank you.

If everything checks out, we can speculate an early date of fall 2009, or at the latest, summer 2010 installation of a wind turbine adjacent to or in Diefenbaker Park (dependent on a healthy wind pattern).

Hydrogen fueling stations? Now that would be really cool, however it sounds very preliminary...no consumer options for hydrogen vehicles, yet.
     
     
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A couple of years ago we went past hundreds of these turbines in the Pincher Creek area and had no idea of the size till we parked beside one. Our VW camper was dwarfed and my photo does not do it justice.
Just can't imagine what one of these would look like in the city. It is truly an experience to stand beside one and feel the energy as the blades pass by.

Swilley I had no idea of the price tag on these never mind the upkeep cost.


     
     
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^ We could so erect one of those in Diefenbaker Park...maybe string some LEDs on it too
     
     
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Isn't Winnipeg planning on putting one of those in the middle of the city?

Honestly, I think wind turbines are cool, but they're an eye sore. I wouldn't want that thing dominating my city's skyline
     
     
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^ We could so erect one of those in Diefenbaker Park...maybe string some LEDs on it too
I am sure we could find another 1/2mil for those LEDs


Yikes did I say that
     
     
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Isn't Winnipeg planning on putting one of those in the middle of the city?

Honestly, I think wind turbines are cool, but they're an eye sore. I wouldn't want that thing dominating my city's skyline
Ah, but a useful eyesore

We will wait for the feasibility studies to determine the final location and height of any potential energy producing wind turbine.
     
     
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Updated January 28, 2008 - 1:10pm

A Saskatchewan Hotelier has plans for the Barry Hotel including a new moniker.

The Barry could soon be called Lorje Place Hotel.

Lorje is spelled the same way city councilor Pat Lorje spells her name.

She won't talk until later.

In the past Lorje has made it clear she wants the Barry torn down.

Meanwhile a company calling itself L&L Holdings applied for a liquor licence for the 20th street establishment.

One of the partners owns at least two other hotels, one in Wynyard the other in Wadena.

The current owner of the Barry says before a deal could be finalized a potential buyer would need a liquor licence.
http://www.newstalk980.com/incoming/20080128/new-name-proposed-barry-hotel
     
     
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....The Barry could soon be called Lorje Place Hotel....
http://www.newstalk980.com/incoming/20080128/new-name-proposed-barry-hotel
That's real cute, this is a joke.
     
     
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A couple of years ago we went past hundreds of these turbines in the Pincher Creek area and had no idea of the size till we parked beside one. Our VW camper was dwarfed and my photo does not do it justice.
Just can't imagine what one of these would look like in the city. It is truly an experience to stand beside one and feel the energy as the blades pass by.

Swilley I had no idea of the price tag on these never mind the upkeep cost.

Windmills have a hardware cost that are equivalent to $1 million a megawatt. Average on land size is 1.5 megawatts, ocean size ranges from 2-3.5 megawatts now.
     
     
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I do not think wind turbines are an eye sore, i think they are awsome and it would be sweet if Saskatoon became known as that city that has wind turbines in it. or something ahah. but really, it would be kick ass. and another thing about renewable energy, it baffles me that Saskatoon has not harnessed the power of the river, or the weir!
     
     
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another thing about renewable energy, it baffles me that Saskatoon has not harnessed the power of the river, or the weir!
Hydro power has been lightly suggested in the past (hydro power at the weir as part of the whitewater park), but costs to develop a hydro project would negate the energy production benefits or something to that effect.

As well, hydro carries with it a few negatives that make it not worthwhile, notably, the disruption and destruction of natural habitats.
     
     
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I am sure we could find another 1/2mil for those LEDs
That's the spirit...spend, spend, spend
     
     
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Library checks out alternatives
City isn't supportive of blocking 23rd Street, says library director
Janet French and Mark Ferguson, The StarPhoenix
Published: Monday, January 28, 2008
The Saskatoon Public Library board will rethink its options for a bigger downtown branch -- after a city official said closing down a block of 23rd Street won't happen.

On Sunday, director of libraries Zenon Zuzak said city manager Phil Richards told him last week council won't get behind the library's proposal to expand its central branch building onto 23rd Street between Third and Fourth avenues.

"But, council is prepared to look for other options for us to stay on that location," Zuzak said.

The Frances Morrison branch is desperate for space and needs to double its size from about 78,000 to 150,000 square feet, Zuzak said. When the branch was built in 1966, Saskatoon had half the population.

The library board had hoped to commission a feasibility study to determine the impact closing the street would have on traffic and parking. At a closed council meeting earlier this month, the library asked council's executive committee for its support. At two open houses last fall, public support for a feasibility study was high, Zuzak said.

"Council basically came back and said there won't be a street closure," Zuzak said.

Although the library won't decide its next move until the board meets on Feb. 20, Zuzak said the proposal to expand onto the street is likely off the table without the city's support.

"I don't see how we could look at it more," he said.

However, Zuzak's comments puzzled several councillors, who said they have taken no official vote to rule out closing 23rd Street to accommodate a larger library. Coun. Charlie Clark said several councillors voiced concerns about shutting the street.

"That's the definite flavour of what they've said," he said.

However, he believes the library should do a feasibility study, looking at all options for expanding the branch on its existing site, including the possibility of blocking traffic.

"I don't feel like I have enough information to say yes or no to (closing the street)," he said.

Coun. Tiffany Paulsen said the topic hasn't come up since the library presented its proposal to the executive committee.

"There was no 'You cannot' or, 'You will not,' " she said. "It was, 'We need to investigate all of the possibilities.' "

However, she adds, "Given some of the concerns given by many of the councillors about shutting own 23rd, I can see how they'd get that impression."

City manager Richards could not be reached for comment Sunday.

The Partnership, the downtown business improvement district, has been lobbying council to nix the street closure proposal.

"We are very much in favour that the main branch of the library should be downtown," executive director Terry Scaddan said.

"But we'd like to see something innovative . . . closing down a street doesn't speak to innovation."

A feasibility study would not change The Partnership's position, Scaddan said, calling the result of closing an adjacent block of 23rd Street for the bus mall, "not pretty."

Saskatoon Mayor Don Atchison agrees 23rd Street in front of city hall should stay open. "We need to utilize the space we have better."

Zuzak isn't sure what other options the library would have to double its size in its current location without expanding onto 23rd Street.

The existing building could add another floor, but that would add 24,000 square feet at most -- that's a third of what it needs.

Extending the library over 23rd Street is another possibility the library could suggest to designers.

These architects, they can come up with all sorts of spatial relations buildings," he said.

Zuzak said he's not discouraged about the vetoed street closure.

"I try to look at the positive," he said.

Three years ago, some civic leaders were skeptical about the library's need for more space, and now "everyone's working together to do what it takes to get there," he said.

"I think now everyone's aware of the situation and the need to expand or build a larger facility for the central library," Zuzak said.

i agree that 23rd street shouldn't be blocked. Just an idea but what if they moved to the warehouse district. it would make that area of the downtown more busy and they could move to a ware house to give a neat effect.

Terry Scaddan said.

"But we'd like to see something innovative . . . closing down a street doesn't speak to innovation."

mabey they could move to a buildign like the John Deere warehouse. i believe it is arouund 5 floors so it would easily be large enough. They could build a glass roof like in the bay condos to make it innovative and there is lots of room to expand in the future. The city council pretty much destroyed anychance of them staying there. they cant build up and they cant spread out.
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And here I thought I was breaking some juicy gossip . I heard they will cost around 6 mill to construct, 500 - 700k a year to maintain and operate, and the break even time is fairly short. It would make economical sense to go ahead with the project even if only a few are constructed.
$6 million to construct? Swilley, I am guessing that is for one turbine, and it would be capable of generating 6 megawatts (according to kyle_olsen's post below).

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Windmills have a hardware cost that are equivalent to $1 million a megawatt. Average on land size is 1.5 megawatts, ocean size ranges from 2-3.5 megawatts now.
A 6 megawatt turbine would be cool, and some claim "enough to power 4000 homes in Germany". Whether there is potential to generate that much in Diefenbaker Park in south Saskatoon remains unknown. Source

6 megawatt turbine with drop-shaped turbine housing designed by Sir Norman Foster

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