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Old Posted Aug 11, 2007, 4:39 AM
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I love development, and want to see more happening in Saskatoon. I will say that I'm glad the new Casino is NOT in Saskatoon. Gambling can be a very addictive habit. I know people that have lost a lot due to gambling. Most people can gamble and control how much they lose, but for some people it's a desease. I think the biggest reason the casino was not built in Saskatoon was due to this reason, and I'm glad it wasn't.

I'm not against casinos, but think that we don't need to rely on a casino to boost our economy. If people really want to gamle, then they can make the effort to drive out there. There are also free shuttle buses that will take people out there.


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The casino proposal was defeated in 2003. Some might say racism was to blame, others were against the negative image (sinful?) that Saskatoon would portray with a downtown casino. I'm sure there are other reasons, but that's what I remember most.

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I love development, and want to see more happening in Saskatoon. I will say that I'm glad the new Casino is NOT in Saskatoon. Gambling can be a very addictive habit. I know people that have lost a lot due to gambling. Most people can gamble and control how much they lose, but for some people it's a desease. I think the biggest reason the casino was not built in Saskatoon was due to this reason, and I'm glad it wasn't.

I'm not against casinos, but think that we don't need to rely on a casino to boost our economy. If people really want to gamle, then they can make the effort to drive out there. There are also free shuttle buses that will take people out there.

I see your point, although that type of thinking could set us back to the temperance colony days.

For the same reasons already mentioned, I think it was a huge loss to the downtown. There was already a casino in town, plus every bar / lounge is littered with VLT's. The problem gamblers will find a way to loose their cheque's with or without a flashy downtown casino. Why loose out on a great tourist draw because a few people can't manage themselves? Just as Country has stated, I put this one up there with Saskplace being pushed to the outskirts of town.

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I love development, and want to see more happening in Saskatoon. I will say that I'm glad the new Casino is NOT in Saskatoon. Gambling can be a very addictive habit. I know people that have lost a lot due to gambling. Most people can gamble and control how much they lose, but for some people it's a desease. I think the biggest reason the casino was not built in Saskatoon was due to this reason, and I'm glad it wasn't.

I'm not against casinos, but think that we don't need to rely on a casino to boost our economy. If people really want to gamle, then they can make the effort to drive out there. There are also free shuttle buses that will take people out there.
I agree.

A very controversial decision. Yes we lost a nice looking structure and a little economic spin-off but social ills need restraint, hence the decision to keep the new casino from being built in downtown Saskatoon and at the less accessible White Cap reserve.
     
     
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From the Regina thread - Rumours of Shell moving their head office to Saskatchewan. Saskatoon is mentioned, but you would have to think Regina is in the running if this is the case.

Just imaging how great a Cameco tower would look right beside a Shell tower. 30 + floors each..... I think I am getting ahead of myself.
     
     
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From the Regina thread - Rumours of Shell moving their head office to Saskatchewan. Saskatoon is mentioned, but you would have to think Regina is in the running if this is the case.

Just imaging how great a Cameco tower would look right beside a Shell tower. 30 + floors each..... I think I am getting ahead of myself.
Outlandish thoughts are fun. How about Cameco and Shell construct a signature 60+ tower in support of a Saskatchewan uranium/nuclear and oil sands development boom. If they have trouble seeing eye to eye on the design/layout, two 30+ structures will do just fine.

Other than a Calgary realtor's blog posting, I really don't see Shell re-locating to either Saskatchewan city for the sake of cheaper lease rates, but then again I'm not a realtor from Calgary
     
     
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While they're at it they might as well just build two 60+ towers

The thought of Shell Canada HQ in Stoon is so far out there in the land of fantasy. But if the rumour is indeed true, why exactly is Regina in the running over Saskatoon? After all, the realtor on his blog mentions S'toon specifically as the possible new city to re-locate to, albeit in brackets and with a question mark.

Just wondering why people think Regina has the leg up here. Is it because of the quantity and quality of office space in that city? Surely if we knew Shell Canada was coming to S'toon, someone would have a shiny new tower up in no time. Which city is the major oil and gas center in this province anyways? I just always assumed it was Saskatoon because of our northern location and relative proximity to the oil deposits in the far north. And APPARENTLY, we seem to have some capitalist paradise business climate here (???). Fill me in here.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2007, 8:28 AM
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WOOOWOOO, i hope shell does move its headquaters too saskatoon. does anyone know how tall their current headquaters are?
     
     
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While they're at it they might as well just build two 60+ towers

The thought of Shell Canada HQ in Stoon is so far out there in the land of fantasy. But if the rumour is indeed true, why exactly is Regina in the running over Saskatoon? After all, the realtor on his blog mentions S'toon specifically as the possible new city to re-locate to, albeit in brackets and with a question mark.

Just wondering why people think Regina has the leg up here. Is it because of the quantity and quality of office space in that city? Surely if we knew Shell Canada was coming to S'toon, someone would have a shiny new tower up in no time. Which city is the major oil and gas center in this province anyways? I just always assumed it was Saskatoon because of our northern location and relative proximity to the oil deposits in the far north. And APPARENTLY, we seem to have some capitalist paradise business climate here (???). Fill me in here.
Not that this means much, but the majority of the oil deposits are in the South near cities like Estevan, Weyburn, Carlyle, etc. Regina also has things such as the refinery. Now that does not mean any such move would go to Regina, but it appears that Regina has more ties to the Oil and Gas industry than does Saskatoon.

Again though, this is pure speculation.
     
     
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Committee will urge city to gauge interest in park
Kenyon Wallace, The StarPhoenix
Published: Monday, August 13, 2007

The city's executive committee will recommend to council tonight that the administration hold two open houses in late September to gauge the public's interest in a whitewater recreation facility in Saskatoon.

"Initially, there was a lot of opposition to the project from residents of City Park. But when they learned what a unique attraction a whitewater park would be, everyone was in favour," said Coun. Darren Hill.

Last November, the Saskatoon whitewater park committee presented city council with a conceptual plan for a park that would transform the city's weir into a complex with a six-rapid rafting area on the west side, another set of five rapids, four raised pools and a channel for fish, wildlife and boats. The plan is currently pegged at a cost of $14.7 million.

The executive committee is expected to recommend the city hold an open house on Sept. 22 at the weir and another on Sept. 27 at SIAST Kelsey campus to inform the public and gather input. The feedback from the community consultations, along with the operation and design criteria for the functional design study, will then be presented to city council in October. Such a study could cost between $100,000 and $150,000, according to the city.

The whitewater park committee has already given 38 formal presentations to Saskatoon clubs and organizations and has received more than 2,500 signatures of support, in addition to 675 e-mail addresses in support of the project.

Hill said a whitewater facility would make the weir safer and more environmentally friendly than the current configuration.

"A more environmentally sound fish ladder would be installed to help fish get up the river," he said.

As for the pelicans, Hill said the weir is not a natural pelican habitat to begin with, and the city has essentially created a feeding ground for the birds by building the weir -- a make-work project during the 1930s.

"A lot of people have expressed concerns about the pelicans, but we think this project would have no impact on them at all," he said. "I expect the recommendation to consult the public to be approved."

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Some interesting posts here lately! I did not mean to initiate a moral/ethical debate with my post about the Dakota Dunes Casino opening, but it was interesting reading the responses.

Although I share in a skeptical view on the Shell HQ quote, it sure would be fun to read the 'fall out' in Calgary news if something like that actually happened...one never knows...our mayor/council and Economic Development Authority should be pounding down doors in Calgary to see if there is anything behind this, or other opportunities!

And finally, great that there is some action on the whitewater park!!! I hope there are lots of 'pro' individuals out at these public input meetings. As was noted here recently, issues/ideas like this tend to get the "anti/negative" group out more then those that support.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2007, 1:34 AM
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Not that this means much, but the majority of the oil deposits are in the South near cities like Estevan, Weyburn, Carlyle, etc. Regina also has things such as the refinery. Now that does not mean any such move would go to Regina, but it appears that Regina has more ties to the Oil and Gas industry than does Saskatoon.

Again though, this is pure speculation.
Maybe we can share Shell? Regina can have them Mon.-Wed. and Stoon Thurs.-Sat. or vice versa

In response to prairieguys comment, if I were Don Atchison I'd presently be groveling at Shell Canada's feet to get them to come here.

The thought of the Shell logo at the top of a new office tower makes me drool
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^^ agreed, Atchie better get off his ass and do something about this. No property tax for 10 years!
     
     
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Everyone here knows that Shell won't move to Regina for one simple reason, it is a government town! LOL! Saskatoon is the business center of Saskatchewan!
     
     
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Library covets roadway
Board proposes closure of block on 23rd Street for expansion
Darren Bernhardt, The StarPhoenix
Published: Tuesday, August 14, 2007


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The Saskatoon Public Library board wants to close a block of 23rd Street to expand its downtown library.

Desperate for space in the Frances Morrison central branch, the board has spent seven years searching for another location in the city centre, but to no avail. The situation is now urgent, according to a report posted on the library's website at saskatoonlibrary.ca.

An assessment in 2004 concluded a central library of 150,000 square feet is needed to operate efficiently. The current facility, built in 1966 and intended to serve the public for 25 years, is 78,000 square feet. In that time, the population of Saskatoon has nearly doubled.

If allowed to take over 23rd Street between Third Avenue and Fourth Avenue, the central library's main doors would extend into the civic square adjacent to City Hall. The report gave no indication of the proposed expansion's cost or size. Director of libraries Zenon Zuzak, who authored the report, could not be reached for an interview.

Mayor Don Atchison and Terry Scaddan, executive director of the Partnership, the downtown business improvement district, aren't sold on the idea.

Both insist the main library branch must be downtown, but have reservations about closing off another roadway. One block west of the library, the transit mall has 23rd Street blocked between Second Avenue and Third Avenue.

"When you close off a street, it becomes a pedestrian mall and those are being taken out all across North America because they don't work," Scaddan said. "People don't go there because there's no retail, so they fall into disuse and can become a safety issue."

Diverting traffic is a less desirable option when compared to moving cars more efficiently and burning less fuel, Scaddan said, adding traffic congestion is also getting worse and closing a street will make it worse.

"We need to be open-minded and look at all the options," Atchison said. "We can't be fixated on one location."

Atchison wouldn't reveal his preferred location because he hasn't looked into it, he said, adding, "We (City of Saskatoon) might not own that land."

The library board has been exploring its options for 27 years, most seriously since 2000, but "has run out of options," the report states.

"The library board is not aware of another existing building or site available that would meet the needs of the central library in terms of location and structure."

In 1980, the board began looking at long-range plans as overcrowding was already becoming an issue. In 1987, the board approved construction of a third floor on the existing building within five years, but that idea was abandoned in 1994 when a consultant found "structural shortcomings" would limit the room that could be added.

Since 2000, the board has flirted with moving into either the vacated Bay building or King George Hotel, but the necessary renovations would have been too costly. It also explored the idea of building new in River Landing, but that fell apart when the city doled out $15 million in federal grants to other projects.

"The pressure of this growth is being felt more intensely with every passing year," the library board report states.

The central branch houses Saskatoon Public Library's collection of circulating and non-circulating materials and is a point of access for specialized services. While its collection of books, magazines, newspapers, videos, CDs, and DVDs has grown considerably during the past 41 years, the room to store it all has not.

"The collection is extremely cramped and requires more space for shelving and display," the report states. "The local history room also requires more room to display and properly store valuable historical collections (and) more public space is required for reading areas, computers, programming and meeting rooms."

With 69 per cent of city residents active library users, Saskatoon's library system is one of the most well-used in the country, ranking as one of the top three large urban public libraries in terms of circulation, according to the report.

The proposed project would be financed through a combination of tax dollars, capital reserves, fundraising, and grants from the three levels of government. But before anything can happen, it must earn public backing.

To that end, the library board is hosting open houses Oct. 16 and 19 in the Frances Morrison gallery to explain the plan.

Pending support, the board will conduct a feasibility study over the winter to examine the impact of the street closure on traffic flow, the transit mall, neighbouring businesses and underground infrastructure (water lines, sewer and electrical).

The study would help identify the costs of such a closure and of constructing underground parking.

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- Cost: $1.475 million

- SPL branches: 7

- Annual visitors to SPL branches: 1.5 million

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You'd think with all the gravel parking lots in the core of our fair city they could find a spot suitable for a library.
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^Haha that would be too easy. What's the foundation like? It should also be possible to build the addition vertically, although that is way more intrusive to existing operations and maybe means closure of the library for a period of time.

And Saskatoon council has voted down a proposal to ban condo conversions for the interim: Saskatoon rejects condo conversion ban

Pretty much par for the course in Western Canada.
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i think it said the foundation isn't strong enough or something to build a new floor or if they did it would be too tiny or something

here is what it said "the board approved construction of a third floor on the existing building within five years, but that idea was abandoned in 1994 when a consultant found "structural shortcomings" would limit the room that could be added."
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i think as downtown grows, that area will become townhouses, i think it would be interesting if they converted the western brewery to lofts and also the quaker oats mill would be a cool sight, converting both the tower and the silos. it almost has an art deco look.

God forbid that these buildings are actually being used. Lets not get on the conversion kick just yet. Still need a few jobs for some of us to earn a living.

If we want to convert anything to condos, I can suggest a few churches along the river or maybe the Main Library?
well maybe if the library get a new building, they will convert it too condos! ahaaha
     
     
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i think it said the foundation isn't strong enough or something to build a new floor or if they did it would be too tiny or something

here is what it said "the board approved construction of a third floor on the existing building within five years, but that idea was abandoned in 1994 when a consultant found "structural shortcomings" would limit the room that could be added."
Whoops. My lack of reading. I'm definitely behind the find a parking lot concept.
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