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Old Posted May 8, 2007, 1:50 AM
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And now for the remaining miscelaneous pictures
The Fairbanks at Cityfront Plaza and the Tides (and OTP) from Roosevelt.



The Grand Kingsbury



Avenue East aparently has about 17 layers of insulation going on.





600 N LSD



Parkview West and the parking garage






The Claire



50 E. Chestnut in the skyline, from the Metra



150 E Ontario. One building gone, no other activity.



And finally, it's not new construction, but the new windows in 1100? S Michigan Ave look pretty good.

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Great pics Aaron and South Loop Tom! 1100 South Michigan is looking better with the new windows!
     
     
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wow, thank you so much for the update.
     
     
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Old Posted May 8, 2007, 3:17 AM
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The Claire

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Best pic to date of The Claire.

Thanks, look forward to seeing more of this project.

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Just a quick thought concerning this "Spinning Tower" idea for Chicago. I find the idea completely fasinating that it might even be possible. American downtowns are very kinetic locations why not place a kinetic building into that context.

Maybe it is a breakthrough concept, but it just seems so 'Buck Rogers-like." the first thing that comes to mind is this. How practical can a spinning tower be in the Chicago winters? We already have half of the sidewalks covered with scaffolding protecting pedestrians from falling ice.

I am intrigued by the idea of this being in Chicago but, playing the Devil's Advocate, have to ask the following:

1. Would it be capable of withstanding the brutal winters with the ice and snow building up between the layers and still spin?

2. Would the turbines be operable in the winter? If not, the "green" energy use is negated.

3. If operable in the winter, how much ice and snow would be cascading off the structure towards the sidewalks?
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^ absolutely. i think most of the knee-jerk resistance to this idea is because it's one that was first proposed for dubai, a town that a lot or people seem to hate for one reason or another. if this idea had come from norman foster and first proposed for chicago, there would be a puddle of drool the size of lake michigan oozing out of the forum's collective mouth.
My question is...Why is the rotation NECESSARY for the architecture. If it can be demonstrated that the success of the building relies on its rotation and that its not some cheesy gimmick to market crap, I'll support it.

Personally, I think its the latter, but i give the guy props for thinking 60-90.
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I have to say, this is one of the best executions of inset balconies I've ever seen. The way the "railing" glass is flush with the exterior glass, and offset vertically, it creates a complex but clean pattern. Just proves that the devil is in the details.
i thought the exact same thing when i saw that picture. beautiful stuff.
     
     
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Maybe it is a breakthrough concept, but it just seems so 'Buck Rogers-like." the first thing that comes to mind is this. How practical can a spinning tower be in the Chicago winters? We already have half of the sidewalks covered with scaffolding protecting pedestrians from falling ice.

2. Would the turbines be operable in the winter? If not, the "green" energy use is negated.

3. If operable in the winter, how much ice and snow would be cascading off the structure towards the sidewalks?
A few of these structures were first proposed in Russia shortly after the bolshevik revolution, and right before Lenin's death, it's not really buck rogers, but more the ideals of cubism taken into architectonics.

I do think the piping and other utility things would need to be worked out, but as for the turbines question. If turbines didn't work in the winter, we wouldn't be using them in the north sea, so I'm going to put my money on that being a moot point.

also, much of the ice falling and snow cascading in the city of chicago comes from accumulation of snow, and ice forming on large unbroken panes of glass. I think the turbines between the floors solves this problem, because if the turbines are spinning with the wind and the floors are spinning at their own rate, no snow should really have any time to accumulate with the movement going on

lastly I'd like to say I'm not saying we should build this, but if the site justifies it, I'd say go for it. on the current rumored site, I'd say it's un justified, but wolf point oolala

just set up sensors of the river current, and as it slows or is disturbed by a passing boat, the floors rotation is adjusted, so the tower takes on a flowing form.

my major qualm with the whole idea, is that if uncoordinated to some extent, the building would become, like much of dubai incongruent

only in this case incongruent to itself

nonetheless an intriguing idea that demands the utmost execution of the details
     
     
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Wow...the Roosevelt Rd. metra station really is sad. I'm thankful a new station is currently in progress.

Also, the new windown in 1130 S. Michigan Av. improve the tower, which is too prominant to be so shabby.

Jahn's building is looking quite sleek.
     
     
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My question is...Why is the rotation NECESSARY for the architecture. If it can be demonstrated that the success of the building relies on its rotation and that its not some cheesy gimmick to market crap, I'll support it.

Personally, I think its the latter, but i give the guy props for thinking 60-90.
I don't really get you. Architecture is never going to be reliant on movement. Movement becomes an asset depending on how you think about it. Calantrava's Milwaukee Art Museum works regardless of the "wings" having purpose as they close and open. In his case, the motion really is "gimmicky" but its one of the wonders of that structure (there were cheaper ways to block out the windows if needed than having the whole structure collapse on itself).

In the case of a rotating building, we haven't even seen a true rendering to judge it by. Its as if some are deriding a building's architecture without even seeing the building. Regardless if you think that rotating apartments are "gimmicky", I think the idea is pretty strong.

I'm most intrigued at how such a building is economically feasible. I'm assuming that three sides of each floor (top, bottom and side) need to be treated which will add to the cost.
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I noticed a soil testing truck on the parking lot just south of AMC Theatre/River East this morning. The truck was on the far northern part of the lot close to Illinois
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^What project could that be for, St Clair?
     
     
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...ory?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=2&cset=true

Streeterville relic-history or just junk?

By Alexa Aguilar
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Published May 8, 2007


Deep underneath a Streeterville street, John Henry Propeck was moving pile after pile of debris and sandy soil to create an underground parking garage for a new 47-story condo building at the corner of Illinois Street and McClurg Court.

Then he scooped up a chunk of metal in the bucket of his backhoe. The next load unearthed a T-shaped bar, then a 40-foot chain.



When he pieced the parts together last month, he realized he had discovered a 200-pound boat anchor buried deep beneath Chicago's streets.

The anchor is a rusty reminder that the solid ground Chicago is built on wasn't always so solid, and that boats were once moored in what is now the Streeterville neighborhood. Those who pulled the anchor from the earth are even asking whether it could have belonged to Capt. George Streeter, a gun-running hustler who supposedly ran his vessel aground 450 feet from Lake Michigan's shore in 1886 and decided to stay put, creating the neighborhood that bears his name.

Streeter is the stuff of Chicago legend, a man who defied city officials who tried to take his "District of Lake Michigan" -- the hundreds of acres of landfill that eventually amassed around the beached boat where Streeter and his fellow scofflaws drank, ran brothels and generally reveled in ignoring authority.

Propeck and a few members of the excavation crew knew none of the history until an acquaintance half-jokingly suggested that the anchor could have belonged to Streeter. They fiddled around on the Internet until they found a picture of Streeter standing by his ship, the Reutan, with a similar anchor chained to its prow. "I think it's pretty interesting," said Propeck, who has been a construction worker in Chicago for more than 25 years. "I've never got nothing like this before. I've found safes before with holes bored through them. But nothing like this."

It would be difficult to verify that the anchor was Streeter's, said Libby Mahoney, chief curator of the Chicago Historical Society. Its rusted surface and clunky chain bear no lettering or mark other than the number 97.

The anchor appears to be a standard fisherman's anchor from that era, Mahoney said.

Whether the anchor actually belonged to Streeter's vessel, the discovery is enough to excite Chicagoans, she said.

"All of this points to the fact that Chicagoans love the history of their city," she said. "They are proud of it. And they take their history very seriously."

MCL Companies, the developer of the Park View condos, is considering making the anchor a fixture of the park that will sit adjacent to the property.

Russell Lewis, chief historian of the Chicago History Museum, said the anchor's discovery is interesting, if only to remind Chicagoans that Streeterville was once in Lake Michigan. It's possible the anchor was Streeter's, but it could have been from other vessels that traveled the shoreline, he said.

"That's the one boat we know," Lewis said. "That's why people jump to conclusions. But there are the ones we don't know about," whose owners didn't decide to squat on the land where they wrecked, he said.

Still, Lewis said, it's a wonderful story and the discoverers should be excited about finding a possible remnant of history.

"It's a mystery," he said. "What's discouraging is that you can reach a point where you just can't tell for sure."

Dick Bales, an author of a book about the Great Chicago Fire, is in the midst of writing a volume about Streeter. He also works as assistant regional counsel for Chicago Title, the company that Streeter repeatedly sparred with over his land claims.

The more he researches him, the more he's learning to doubt any legend surrounding Streeter, even his name, Bales said.

Though Streeter's famous nickname "Cap Streeter" stems from Streeter's claim that he was a captain in the Civil War, he never made it past the rank of private, Bales said.

And there is some evidence that the tale of the boat wrecked on the sandbar was made up by Streeter to justify his squatting, Bales said.

"Everything about him is a lie, even his name," he said.

The variations on the Streeter story make him a favorite of Chicago history lovers.

"He's fascinating," Mahoney said. "He's a great Chicago legend."

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^ I'm not assuming it's a trend. I'm just saying it's a new idea. When did Chicago suddenly close the door on new ideas?



^ Oh, and steel & glass modernism, when first introduced amongst drab masonry buildings in the 1950's, didn't scream "look at me!"? The Chicago Spire doesn't say "Look at me?" How about Aqua? How much does your issue with this have to do with the actual building instead of the fact that this idea comes not from Zurich, or Paris, or New York, but from some "schlocky" place like Dubai?



^ I just don't get your point in the least. Your 'gimmick' may be somebody else's novelty. A new way to look at highrise living. The only way to really tell is to build it.

I really hope Chicago doesn't close an ignorant door on this one. That would be a HUGE shame.

I agree with you, TUP. Chicago is a museum/laboratory of urban architecture. Chicago is big enough and impressive enough that no one structure that can take away from the overall vibe of the city. If this were going to be the new tallest building by a factor of 50% or something, maybe we'd want to take a closer look. But I believe there is plenty of room for experimentation and oddities in this city. Of all places, this should be the city that embraces the next wave of architecture. Tearing down the old and building new is in the DNA of Chicago. While it would be nice to get one of his buildings here, Chicago doesn't wait around for Norman Foster to lend our skyline legitimacy. In other words, Norman Foster et al. doesn't make us, it should be the other way around. We're the kind of city that should be making the next Norman Foster. Where the next Norman Foster should feel like of all places, this is the city where he can expand his mind.
     
     
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^What project could that be for, St Clair?
No, the St. Clair, will actually be on St. Clair. This is the Carley/Reskhe site mentioned a few months back, but I also reacll that they were going to sell of a portion of the property.
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Another possibility (though perhaps this is "too simple" would be to have the more complex stuff like gas, plumbing only in the core, i.e. the kitchen and bathroom will be in the core, while the outer, rotating ring has the living space. I think that was the basic concept in those spinning restaurants, so you need some ridiculously complicated plumbing contraption.
Too simple? No, actually you're making it way too complicated.

The real answer is that you can only flush the toilet once every three hours, when the pipes are pefectly aligned.
     
     
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To me that's just too much money for the city to sink into this project. TIF funds are intended to finance infrastructure projects. Instead, Walton St. is asking the city to directly subsidize their ROI. I, for one, do not care to have my tax dollars used to line the pockets of a private equity firm. I'd rather the $$$ be used to fund PUBLIC WORKS. For example, I'd like to see them reconfigure the traffic flow around the circle to allow for more lanes merging onto the N and S Dan Ryan on the east bound IKE.

If the market doesn't support the conversion of the old Post Office for modern usage, then it should be torn down.

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$51 mil. in TIF sought for Old Main Post Office


By Alby Gallun
May 08, 2007

(Crain’s) — The firm that plans to redevelop the Old Main Post Office has asked the city to provide $51 million in tax-increment financing to help cover the cost of converting the massive structure into offices, a hotel and condominiums.

Architecture firm Gensler's rendering of Walton Street's proposed Old Main Post Office redevelopment.
After eight years of planning, Chicago-based Walton Street Capital LLC will present its redevelopment proposal for the Art Deco building to the city’s Community Development Commission at a 1 p.m. meeting Tuesday. Key to Walton Street’s plan is its request for tax-increment financing (TIF), one of the largest such requests in Chicago in the past several years.

If approved by the commission and City Council, the TIF subsidy will cover about 17% of the $310 million in total project cost, according to a report prepared by staff of the Department of Planning and Development.

“Without this assistance, the developer would not achieve reasonable rates of return, and therefore, would not undertake the project,” the report says.

Walton Street aims to demolish about 800,000 square feet of the 2.5-million-square-foot structure, which straddles the Congress Parkway and has sat vacant since the U.S. Postal Service moved to another facility inn 1996. The firm plans to convert the building into 450,000 square feet of office space, 300 condominiums and a 236-room hotel.

A joint venture between Walton Street and Chicago-based MCZ Development signed a contract to pay $30 million for the property back in 1999, with plans to convert much of its space into condos and a so-called telecom hotel. Yet the telecommunications market went bust a couple years later, and MCZ, a residential developer, dropped out after it become clear such a large number of condos wouldn’t work.

Walton Street went back to the drawing board, eventually coming up with its current plan to gut a third of the building at 401-439 W. Van Buren St. Walton Street, which has spent about $7 million in planning, has a contract to buy the property from the Postal Service for $10, according to the staff report. The Postal Service has also agreed to cover $9 million in environmental remediation costs.

Walton Street plans to seek tax credits to finance the project, which may reduce the TIF subsidy the developer receives from the city, the report says.

“We’re pleased to be at this point, and I’m looking forward to getting through the CDC and moving on with the project,” says Walton Street Principal Raphael Dawson.

In a TIF district, property taxes are frozen when the district is created and any incremental increase in property taxes goes into a fund used to pay for infrastructure improvements or to subsidize real estate developments favored by the city. The TIF money for the Post Office would come from the Canal/Congress TIF District.

The Chicago Plan Commission approved zoning changes for the development on April 19.
     
     
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I agree. The el is falling to pieces and the city might give $51 million to a developer for a condo conversion instead? We are seeing more than our fair share of skyscrapers and other residential/commercial/hotel developments without the help of TIFs; the post office should NOT be a top priority.
     
     
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If the market doesn't support the conversion of the old Post Office for modern usage, then it should be torn down.
Them some fightin words 'round here, son.

Putting the absurd some of $51 million aside, do you think TIF money should never be spent to ensure many of Chicago's historic office buildings remain?

Not doing so would probably spell doom for many of the Loop's dilapidated office towers from the 1900s, 1910s, etc. Is there a public interest in keeping these around as part of Chicago's architectural heritage? Very few of the recent restoration of these grand old buildings would have been feasible without tax breaks and/or TIF assistance.
     
     
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