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Old Posted May 8, 2007, 9:05 PM
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I agree. The el is falling to pieces and the city might give $51 million to a developer for a condo conversion instead? We are seeing more than our fair share of skyscrapers and other residential/commercial/hotel developments without the help of TIFs; the post office should NOT be a top priority.
Yes....$51 million could probably renovate 3-4 'L stations, or build 1-2 new ones....or modernize a mile or 2 of track infrastructure....or pay for a few dozen new rail cars, or many new buses....
     
     
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Them some fightin words 'round here, son.

Putting the absurd some of $51 million aside, do you think TIF money should never be spent to ensure many of Chicago's historic office buildings remain?

Not doing so would probably spell doom for many of the Loop's dilapidated office towers from the 1900s, 1910s, etc. Is there a public interest in keeping these around as part of Chicago's architectural heritage? Very few of the recent restoration of these grand old buildings would have been feasible without tax breaks and/or TIF assistance.
It's not an historic office building. It's an obsolete, single-use, environmentally-compromised, non-sprinklered, access-challenged, inefficient, crumbling hulk. I'm sure there were plenty of postal workers officing there back in the day, but it's basically an industrial site. It happened to have been built when Art Deco was big, but it simply is not a significant Art Deco achievement. It's not even a blip on the radar screen. The CBOT building and the Pittsfield Building are worth saving. The Post Office is not.

Your point about the loop buildings (and other buildings) is taken, but the cost there is significantly lower and the impact on the streetscape is significantly higher. As opposed to the historic structures along Milwaukee Avenue in Wicker Park, the old Post Office has ZERO foot traffic around it. In examples that you're thinking of the TIF money merely acts as a carrot for developers to pick this opportunity as opposed to that one. TIF money is supposed to sweeten an investment opportunity, not to raise it up from DOA status.

This $51 mil isn't an "incentive," it's a corporate welfare payment.
     
     
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a couple construction pics from the top of marina city from this past sunday:


a burgeoning near south side is capped off with a topped out Columbian Tower (for now)







the grand kingsbury poking it's head up over the sterling








the new river north marriott going up. only a couple more floors to go.

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Thanks Steely! Quite an awesome view you have on your perch up there.
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It's not an historic office building. It's an obsolete, single-use, environmentally-compromised, non-sprinklered, access-challenged, inefficient, crumbling hulk. I'm sure there were plenty of postal workers officing there back in the day, but it's basically an industrial site. It happened to have been built when Art Deco was big, but it simply is not a significant Art Deco achievement. It's not even a blip on the radar screen. The CBOT building and the Pittsfield Building are worth saving. The Post Office is not.

Your point about the loop buildings (and other buildings) is taken, but the cost there is significantly lower and the impact on the streetscape is significantly higher. As opposed to the historic structures along Milwaukee Avenue in Wicker Park, the old Post Office has ZERO foot traffic around it. In examples that you're thinking of the TIF money merely acts as a carrot for developers to pick this opportunity as opposed to that one. TIF money is supposed to sweeten an investment opportunity, not to raise it up from DOA status.

This $51 mil isn't an "incentive," it's a corporate welfare payment.
Ok. I don't think we disagree too strongly. My point was that the way you worded your earlier statement would also lead to the sure destruction of many of our turn-of-the-century treasures in the Loop, which really need public assistance to make them functional in today's office/residential market.
     
     
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HOM Chicago is just Aristocrat Tower with a different name and (hopefully) a different design. Since the name has a different connotation (mostly involving the odd spelling + capitalization) I'm assuming they're going modern this time.
It's the same design.
     
     
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Wow...the Roosevelt Rd. metra station really is sad. I'm thankful a new station is currently in progress.
I must have missed that one. When is this expected?
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Sell the Daley Center building, but retain the Plaza and name. Take the proceeds and convert the Post Office into an office center for City offices and the County courts.
This would cost much more than 51mil. New court security infrastructure alone would top that.
     
     
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And do we really want a court over a highway?

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Hey aaron38!

I was glad someone else noticed the glass at 1100 south michigan. Despite being a generally boring (ugly, perhaps) white brick building, the new glazing has given that building new life.
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Hey aaron38!

I was glad someone else noticed the glass at 1100 south michigan. Despite being a generally boring (ugly, perhaps) white brick building, the new glazing has given that building new life.
Shiny new windows or not, that POS still belongs in Edgewater, not on Michigan Avenue fronting Grant Park.
     
     
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Old Posted May 9, 2007, 5:37 AM
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Sell the Daley Center building, but retain the Plaza and name. Take the proceeds and convert the Post Office into an office center for City offices and the County courts.
How much do you think you could sell the empty Daley center for? People buy office buildings mainly for the income stream. With all the tenants gone to the Post Office, you'd be selling for pennies on the dollar.

Plus, Daley Center is one of the Top 5 dopest buildings in Chicago while also occupying a central position in the loop. I'm not exactly sure why you'd give that up to be out in the middle of nowhere (relatively) in lowrise space.
     
     
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i have created a dedicated thread for the arquitectonica LSE proposal. please take all discussion regarding it to the new thread.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=131000
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It's the same design.
Are you sure? Aristocrat Tower was supposed to be on the east side of Prairie but I think Hom is going on the west side where the Chess lofts sales center is right now. There's a zoning change notice on that building. I can't remember the details but it's definitely a skyscraper.
     
     
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I called the Chess Loft sales office weeks ago and was told HOM is going up on the same site as Astoria Tower.
     
     
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Shiny new windows or not, that POS still belongs in Edgewater, not on Michigan Avenue fronting Grant Park.
Part of the reason why that building looked like a POS was because the old windows looked like crap. With the new windows, this building will at least be respectable looking.
     
     
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^ i don't even think calling the building a POS to begin with is warranted. no, it's not a top 10 building, but it's got an interesting form, the rooftop mechanical penthouse screen looks pretty damn cool, and yes, with the new windows it looks even sharper. it's not that bad of a building folks. let's save the POS comments for the grand plaza monstrocities of our city.
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Aristocrat Tower which is now HOM hasn't redesgined the tower.

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^ i don't even think calling the building a POS to begin with is warranted. no, it's not a top 10 building, but it's got an interesting form, the rooftop mechanical penthouse screen looks pretty damn cool, and yes, with the new windows it looks even sharper. it's not that bad of a building folks. let's save the POS comments for the grand plaza monstrocities of our city.
Steely! (Your stock is plumeting.) I agree, 1130 S. Michigan is a POS if ever there was one. It is a terrible late-60s designed tower.
     
     
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I called the Chess Loft sales office weeks ago and was told HOM is going up on the same site as Astoria Tower.

Interesting. I wonder if they are planning two towers now, one on each side of the street.
     
     
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