Other Manitoba and Saskatchewan Developments

[jim_bred]

But they’re still building the data center at the Merit building on route 90?

[WinCitySparky]

Existing bldg not requiring a massive amount of area, power , and water like the type proposed for Iles de Chenes

[jim_bred]

Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Existing bldg not requiring a massive amount of area, power , and water like the type proposed for Iles de Chenes

So that will be the move moving forward for data centres then.

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Basically Wab says we dont need to subsidize these out of province companies with cheap energy. And use our energy in other places that have more benefit to manitobans. Which id tend to agree with.

I agree with this as well. There's been some positive news on proposed developments at Centreport, and I'd rather our existing power go to projects like that.

[Stormer]

I note that the proponents of the rejected project are bit players. Jet.ai only has a $10 million market cap. They do not have the resources to pull this off. I am sure this was a main factor in Kinew's decision, despite the populist language that he used.

[P&M40BELOW]

Originally Posted by Stormer

I have looked at the Bell AI data centre in Saskatchewan in depth, and I can say with great confidence that it is one of the most benign industrial land uses one can imagine. I can think 20+ large facilities in Saskatchewan that have far more potential impact on the community and the environment than the Bell data centre. The only valid criticism I have seen is that it uses massive amounts of electricity. SaskPower seems to think this is great.

Regina alone has a huge steel plant, a giant refinery and a brand new mega canola crushing facility that uses tonnes of water. One barely hears a peep about these facilities. I honestly believe people have an irrational bias against AI due to fear of the unknown.

What I find interesting about this entire Data Centres conversation is that the two “Have Provinces” to the West are building Data Centres, Including Canada’s largest just outside Regina, while their “Have Not” cousins in Manitoba said sorry we’ll pass. Total difference in mindset that will never change.

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by P&M40BELOW

What I find interesting about this entire Data Centres conversation is that the two “Have Provinces” to the West are building Data Centres, Including Canada’s largest just outside Regina, while their “Have Not” cousins in Manitoba said sorry we’ll pass. Total difference in mindset that will never change.

The massive quantities of oil, potash and uranium under the ground that made those places "have" provinces was not put there by their "mindset". Manitoba has had conservative governments with the same "mindset" as Alberta and Saskatchewan, and during none of those times did the province have an economic boom to make it a "have" province.

[wags_in_the_peg]

Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Existing bldg not requiring a massive amount of area, power , and water like the type proposed for Iles de Chenes

^ that's actually false, the IDC one said they were going to have their own power grid. not sure details.

can Wab go more than a day without saying Epstein or Musk?

[wags_in_the_peg]

Originally Posted by pspeid

I agree with this as well. There's been some positive news on proposed developments at Centreport, and I'd rather our existing power go to projects like that.

NDP are doubling the rates of Crypto companies in MB, most are going to shutdown. are we short on Hydro? I know we can make more by exporting it but are we?

[wags_in_the_peg]

Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Fuck AI, and fuck parasitic AI billionaires. Love this for MB.

Yeah, why have industries in MB anyway? We get billions from transfer payments, the less we do, the more we will get! Let's shut down all companies, let's all go suck the gov't titty and live the good life.

[WinCitySparky]

All I hear is the sound of billionaire glazing

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by wags_in_the_peg

Yeah, why have industries in MB anyway? We get billions from transfer payments, the less we do, the more we will get! Let's shut down all companies, let's all go suck the gov't titty and live the good life.

Planes over the target get the flack.

Everyone in Manitoba keeps complaining about how we don’t have what our neighbours have then actively tells businesses who want to come set up here that we’re not interested. Data centres will come to Manitoba eventually, but not until all of our neighbours have attracted the big players and there’s not much left for us. What I find more disturbing than the specific denial of ai (which is really stupid and Luddite) is the general hostility demonstrated which will put companies on notice that Manitoba isn’t interested in doing business. ‘We were born here what’s your excuse’ is starting to seem like a self fulfilling prophecy, where our defeatist attitude actively deters people from seeing the positives here.

[biguc]

Conservatives can't identify bad deals. That's why they're constantly getting grifted and vote for morons who fuck everything up.

The data center boom is already over. Half the projects announced are already dead. Nvidia's going big on hardware for local LLMs. And that doesn't even account for how little actual demand there is for so-called ai.

You guys are out here crying for higher power rates like you want Manitoba to give up its clearest competitive advantage. Like you want actual industry that actually employs people to actually make stuff to actually move away.

[biguc]

Originally Posted by wags_in_the_peg

Yeah, why have industries in MB anyway? We get billions from transfer payments, the less we do, the more we will get! Let's shut down all companies, let's all go suck the gov't titty and live the good life.

What is this? What the actual fuck is this? Besides an unhinged tantrum, it's a failure to distinguish between one thing and everything in a very large and loosely defined set. It's like this person offered you a banana peel filled with shit and then accused you of hating food and wanting to suck your mom's tits.

Also, this person hates moms and doesn't understand that without moms there'd be nobody to pack banana peels with shit

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by biguc

Conservatives can't identify bad deals. That's why they're constantly getting grifted and vote for morons who fuck everything up.

The data center boom is already over. Half the projects announced are already dead. Nvidia's going big on hardware for local LLMs. And that doesn't even account for how little actual demand there is for so-called ai.

You guys are out here crying for higher power rates like you want Manitoba to give up its clearest competitive advantage. Like you want actual industry that actually employs people to actually make stuff to actually move away.

Bravo! Well said.

[NewIreland]

Originally Posted by biguc

What is this? What the actual fuck is this? Besides an unhinged tantrum, it's a failure to distinguish between one thing and everything in a very large and loosely defined set. It's like this person offered you a banana peel filled with shit and then accused you of hating food and wanting to suck your mom's tits.

Also, this person hates moms and doesn't understand that without moms there'd be nobody to pack banana peels with shit

Dude... chill.

[wags_in_the_peg]

Originally Posted by NewIreland

Dude... chill.

NO KIDDING! wow, that dude needs therapy

[wags_in_the_peg]

MB gives $4000 EV rebate on all makes except Tesla, why? Wab & his crew hate Elon Musk, pure & simple. Does he know all the owners of GM, Toyota, Hyundai, Kia, etc and ok with them? Excluding 1 mfg because Musk owns them, is arrogant & narcissistic.

[EdwardTH]

Originally Posted by NewIreland

Dude... chill.

Did you miss the temper tantrum he was replying to lol

Originally Posted by wags_in_the_peg

Yeah, why have industries in MB anyway? We get billions from transfer payments, the less we do, the more we will get! Let's shut down all companies, let's all go suck the gov't titty and live the good life.

[EdwardTH]

Originally Posted by wags_in_the_peg

MB gives $4000 EV rebate on all makes except Tesla, why? Wab & his crew hate Elon Musk, pure & simple. Does he know all the owners of GM, Toyota, Hyundai, Kia, etc and ok with them? Excluding 1 mfg because Musk owns them, is arrogant & narcissistic.

Nah I think if the head of your company is openly courting neo-nazi political parties in Europe and working with an administration that openly threatens Canada's sovereignty that is more than enough basis to sanction them. I'm sure GM execs all donated to Trump too but Musk actually held a position in the administration - which itself was an entry in a long list of ethically and legally dubious behaviour from him which is all the more reason to single out his company. Manitoba shouldn't do business with shady companies.

For all I know the heads of other auto companies also believe in replacement theory and other nazi talking points. But at least they are smart enough to keep their mouth shut about it and not sabotage their own company.