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Are these people idiots or? "We like living in our current development in East St Paul and dont want any other developments to happen on others people land."
You've got to hand it to these people with their complete obliviousness. They certainly didn't see a problem when it was their new community being built and everybody who was already there complained about "light, the vibe, traffic, yada, yada, yada".
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For context...

The Gray's Bay project received $50M from the feds to do exploratory work on building a road a developing a port.

https://www.canada.ca/en/natural-resourc...and-strengthen-northern-communities.html

The port of Churchill expansion project has already received $175M of federal funding and $87.5M of provincial funding to move the project forward ($262.5M total government funding).

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/statements/...nister-mark-carney-and-premier-wab-kinew

Consider it $50M to do a feasibility study on a road and port vs. $262.5M to actually upgrade an existing railway and expand an existing port.

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I can understand why they want to expand more presence in the arctic region but why is Thunder Bay being left out of all of this?

In my view if they were serious about west-east expansion and shipping why not push pipelines and better rail infrastructure to Thunder Bay and better utilize the St. Lawrence Seaway (which we already make toll $ on) and train the resources to Thunder Bay, ship it to Nova Scotia (Medford Terminal proposal) and load goods onto post-panamax sized ships to Europe/Africa/Middle East from there? You help out Northern Ontario and the East Coast 2-bird-1-stone.

This arctic investment seems to pie in the sky for me.
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I can understand why they want to expand more presence in the arctic region but why is Thunder Bay being left out of all of this?

In my view if they were serious about west-east expansion and shipping why not push pipelines and better rail infrastructure to Thunder Bay and better utilize the St. Lawrence Seaway (which we already make toll $ on) and train the resources to Thunder Bay, ship it to Nova Scotia (Medford Terminal proposal) and load goods onto post-panamax sized ships to Europe/Africa/Middle East from there? You help out Northern Ontario and the East Coast 2-bird-1-stone.

This arctic investment seems to pie in the sky for me.
The entire premise of the arctic investment is to create a more permanent and prominent Canadian presence on our own soil in the Arctic, which many feel we don't have enough of and make us prone to invasion by other nations, the US inclusive. The Port of Thunder Bay is already well developed and protected, hence why they seem to not be part of this expansive transport, defence and natural resource development push by the Liberals.
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‘State of emergency’: Northern Manitoba town faces crisis as residents consider leaving
By Alex Karpa
Published: May 27, 2026 at 7:37PM EDT


Jacqueline Brayley stands in front of empty shelves at the local grocery store, which is set to close. (CTV News)

LEAF RAPIDS, Man. — “The Co-op in Leaf Rapids is closing.”

Those were the devastating first words in a letter Sylvia Smith received from the provincial government. A message sending shockwaves and confusion through the community, which is about 1,000 kilometres northwest of Winnipeg.

“Oh my gosh, the Co-op is closing,” said an emotional Smith, who was reading the note for the first time.


The notice was sent to residents receiving Employment and Income Assistance (EIA), warning the closure of the community’s only grocery store could make it even harder for people to access basic necessities.

Smith’s longtime partner, Kelly Spence, receives $220 a month through EIA. Neither expected to receive a letter suggesting they consider leaving their hometown.

According to the notice, Manitoba Housing and EIA staff are available to help residents relocate to other communities if they choose.


“If you would like to talk about moving, please contact your Case Counsellor in the Thompson office,” part of the letter reads. “Manitoba Housing offers subsidized housing in many communities across the province. Availability depends on the location and the type of house needed.”

Smith grew up in Leaf Rapids, briefly leaving before returning 17 years ago. She says she does not want to leave.

“It’s really frustrating,” she said. “Where else am I going to be able to go?”

“The Co-op’s been a big issue with no food coming in at all. You’ve seen the cupboards are just basically canned dry goods right now. Even flour, we can’t even make bannock, and that’s starvation food.”

CTV News visited the Leaf Rapids Co-op and found nearly empty shelves.

According to acting-general manager Jacqueline Brayley, the store owes more than $1 million to its parent company, Federated Co-operatives Limited (FCL), after years of mounting debt.

“We had a monthly payment plan arrangement with them,” she said. “They basically pay for a lot of our services. They pay for certain things that we order to them, and what we’re supposed to do is send them a certain amount every month to cover that fee, but it’s been delayed a lot.”

Brayley says they have until June 30 to figure things out with FCL but she is unsure how that will turn out.

“If it doesn’t get paid off, we basically have no other option than to close the store and relocate,” she said. “Everybody would either have to move out of town, or try and shop in Lynn Lake or Thompson, but not a lot of people have their own transportation, and we don’t have a taxi service either.”

A spokesperson for Glen Simard, the municipal and northern relations minister for Manitoba, said “the province continues to work with the local community to address issues of administration in Leaf Rapids.

The Employment Insurance Assistance branch of families has begun engaging with community members to address their needs and provide them with options and the department of municipal and northern relations will continue to work with the residents of Leaf Rapids who’s well being remain our top priority.”

Decline of Leaf Rapids
Leaf Rapids thrived in the ‘70s as a hub for the nearby Ruttan copper-zinc mine, located about 23 km west of town.

At the height of the mine’s operation, there were around 1,500 people who called Leaf Rapids home.

Longtime resident Lianna Anderson remembers a different town.

“You had the arena, the curling rink, a full-fledged mini hospital, even a neonatal unit here,” Anderson said, who also remembers a movie theatre, a hotel and several restaurants.

“It was a booming town,” she said. “There was so much going on here, but you look at it now and it’s a fragment of what it was.”

When the mine shut down in 2002 due to low market prices, the town’s decline began.

Businesses closed, health-care services were reduced and the amenities Anderson spoke about quickly dwindled away, leaving the residents with a lack of resources.

Today, Leaf Rapids faces a long-term boil water advisory, aging roads and buildings, limited employment opportunities and widespread vacancies throughout the community.

Much of the town centre now sits empty, with no sign of new businesses moving in.

In 2019, the town’s mayor and council dissolved, leaving administration to a provincially appointed consulting firm.

There were discussions with First Nations leadership and the federal government to turn Leaf Rapids into an Indigenous urban centre, but nothing came from it.

Advocates say Leaf Rapids is becoming a test of whether human rights apply to Northern and remote communities in Canada.

“The legal and moral issue is whether governments can knowingly allow a community to exist without reliable access to safe water, food and essential medical care,” said Hilda Anderson-Pyrz, who has family in Leaf Rapids and is also president of the National Family and Survivors Circle in Canada. She argues conditions of this nature would trigger an immediate response in most southern Canadian communities.

“The people of Leaf Rapids may have grounds to argue that Manitoba and Canada have failed to provide equitable public services necessary to protect life, health, and human dignity,” she said.

‘Willing to fight for this town’
For longtime resident Raymond Meunier, the lack of local leadership has only deepened the crisis.

“We want to have a mayor and council again, so that we may decide our own fate through our decisions,” he said. “The town cannot afford to fix the houses they own. Leaf Rapids is in a state of emergency.”

Today, only 200 to 250 people remain in Leaf Rapids, a decline from the roughly 350 residents from just one year ago.

Last year’s devastating wildfires, which were among the worst in Manitoba’s history, forced the entire community to evacuate, sending many residents to Thompson and Winnipeg. Some never returned.

Many homes now sit boarded up or abandoned, with no plans for repairs.

Despite the uncertainty, many residents, including Meunier, say they are determined to stay.

“We’re willing to stick it out. We’re willing to fight for this town, our place, our North. This is our way of living,” he said.

A sentiment shared by many who remain in Leaf Rapids – residents fighting, not for an ending, but for a future.
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Old Posted May 28, 2026, 11:38 PM
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I have been there. Lived there for 7 months in 2014/2015 doing a fire safety systems upgrade for the town centre/school. It’s truly a depressing place and doesn’t function at all as a town. Everything is rotting out from zero maintenance. Whole rooms in the school were blocked off from being completely moldy. The hotel is an abandoned “Backrooms” esque crypt. Most of the houses rotted, moldy, or burnt out. Almost no one there continues living there by choice. They roam around the town centre telling stories about the good old days of the mine like ghosts. They just can’t afford to leave and keep on clutching to hopes that the boom times might still come back. It’s sad but really, there’s no sensible reason for it to still exist. The whole place gave me the creeps big time.
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Leaf is a asset needs vision but could be saved and reborn the mine in Lynn was in process of getting a supply contract from the co-op see if they can get that done still

On another note.. Norway house is currently evacuating due to a fire that's started and is truging towards them don't look good hopefully the bombers can get there in time
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Well I didn't see this coming. Apparently part of the German-Norwegian bid to provide new subs for the Royal Canadian Navy includes offers of infrastructure support that includes the Port of Churchill. The reference is right at the end of the news piece, and of course there's no specifics, but it's interesting to speculate.

Actually I had wondered if European investment might be the only way Wab's Port of Churchill project moves forward. interesting times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59gouDpgCtc
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Manitoba continues to be closed for new business! Kinew has said NO to the AI Data Centre in Ile Des Chenes. Despite 100's jobs during construction, after that there will only be a dozen or so. There's been some horror stories out of the USA on them, but in MY OPINION with proper environmental controls put in place during construction they could be avoided

I'm in tech, I have no idea what he means by this, it's extremely false.

"Highly capable AI is now available on consumer laptops, so people can store their information privately, rather than relying on cloud-based services, Kinew noted. I have the feeling that maybe these $30-billion hyperscale data centres are going to be albatrosses in the future, when people can run the AI that's necessary for their day-to-day use on their local MacBook," he said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ai-data-centre-manitoba-9.7223138
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Manitoba continues to be closed for new business! Kinew has said NO to the AI Data Centre in Ile Des Chenes. Despite 100's jobs during construction, after that there will only be a dozen or so. There's been some horror stories out of the USA on them, but in MY OPINION with proper environmental controls put in place during construction they could be avoided

I'm in tech, I have no idea what he means by this, it's extremely false.

"Highly capable AI is now available on consumer laptops, so people can store their information privately, rather than relying on cloud-based services, Kinew noted. I have the feeling that maybe these $30-billion hyperscale data centres are going to be albatrosses in the future, when people can run the AI that's necessary for their day-to-day use on their local MacBook," he said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ai-data-centre-manitoba-9.7223138



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Tools like Ollama, LM Studio, GPT4All
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Good on Wab, nobody wants these things.
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Fuck AI, and fuck parasitic AI billionaires. Love this for MB.
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Kinew's populist AI hate may get votes in the short run, but it is very shortsighted. The property taxes, PST and corporate income taxes these facilities pay are massive. In Regina, SaskPower claims this will help their bottom line as they will sell $40 million a year in power to Bell.

I heard Kinew on CBC a few weeks ago railing on about AI and big tech.

AI is coming regardless, so you may as well get your share of the benefits.

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^ IIRC MB doesn't have the capacity in its power grid to supply these things anyway.
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^ IIRC MB doesn't have the capacity in its power grid to supply these things anyway.
The proponent was going to build their own NG generation.
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Look, I'm as pro-development and job creation oriented as most people, but at what point do you draw the line in the sand and realise that no amount of $$$$ is worth the trade off for longer-term environmental and quality of life damage? That is exactly what will happen with these behemoth monstrosities. As they stand, the widespread ruin they cause is not worth the economic benefits. Full stop. Until the technology is there to mitigate the massive negative impacts AI Data Centres have on the environment and human society, keep them away. It's not just Manitoba that is pushing back against this. Do some research and you will see how many governments and the public in general do not want these AI centres anywhere near them, and for very good reasons.

If Saskatchewan wants to court such enterprises and suffer the massive consequences that will occur for some economic benefits, that is their prerogative, but I don't wish that on Manitoba in the slightest. I say this as someone who really can't stand Wab, yet I fully support his stance in this case.

Also, I've noticed a Saskatchewan forumer on several occasions now make posts about Manitoba, perhaps trying to stir the pot a bit implying how Saskatchewan is more advanced than Manitoba. Not sure there is any need for that, regardless of the motive.

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Look, Im as pro-development and job creation oriented as most people, but at what point do you draw the line in the sand and realise that no amount of $$$$ is worth the trade off for longer-term environmental and quality of life damage? That is exactly what will happen with these behemoth monstrosities. As they stand, the widespread ruin they cause is not worth the economic benefits. Full stop. Until the technology is there to mitigate the massive negative impacts AI Data Centres have on the environment and human society, keep them away. It's not just Manitoba that is pushing back against this. Do some research and you will see how many governments and the public in general do not want these AI centres anywhere near them, and for very good reasons.

If Saskatchewan wants to court such enterprises and suffer the massive consequences that will occur for some economic benefits, that is theie prerogative, but I don't wish that on Manitoba in the slightest. I say this as someone who really can't stand Wab, yet I fully support his stance in this case.

Also, I've noticed a Saskatchewan forumer on several occasions now make posts about Mabitoba, perhaps trying to stir the pot a bit implying how Saskatchewan is more advanced than Manitoba. Not sure there is any need for that, regardless of the motive.
I agree. The rush to get huge data centres built looks very much like a political move; short term headlines and benefits during construction, long-term pain the politicians who approved the plan don't have to suffer.

With the exception of checking in on developments in Saskatoon once in a while, I tend to ignore comments from and about Sask. There's a real toxic "everywhere and everyone sucks except us" attitude there I don't need in my life.
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Look, Im as pro-development and job creation oriented as most people, but at what point do you draw the line in the sand and realise that no amount of $$$$ is worth the trade off for longer-term environmental and quality of life damage? That is exactly what will happen with these behemoth monstrosities. As they stand, the widespread ruin they cause is not worth the economic benefits. Full stop. Until the technology is there to mitigate the massive negative impacts AI Data Centres have on the environment and human society, keep them away. It's not just Manitoba that is pushing back against this. Do some research and you will see how many governments and the public in general do not want these AI centres anywhere near them, and for very good reasons.

If Saskatchewan wants to court such enterprises and suffer the massive consequences that will occur for some economic benefits, that is theie prerogative, but I don't wish that on Manitoba in the slightest. I say this as someone who really can't stand Wab, yet I fully support his stance in this case.

Also, I've noticed a Saskatchewan forumer on several occasions now make posts about Mabitoba, perhaps trying to stir the pot a bit implying how Saskatchewan is more advanced than Manitoba. Not sure there is any need for that, regardless of the motive.
I have looked at the Bell AI data centre in Saskatchewan in depth, and I can say with great confidence that it is one of the most benign industrial land uses one can imagine. I can think 20+ large facilities in Saskatchewan that have far more potential impact on the community and the environment than the Bell data centre. The only valid criticism I have seen is that it uses massive amounts of electricity. SaskPower seems to think this is great.

Regina alone has a huge steel plant, a giant refinery and a brand new mega canola crushing facility that uses tonnes of water. One barely hears a peep about these facilities. I honestly believe people have an irrational bias against AI due to fear of the unknown.
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I have looked at the Bell AI data centre in Saskatchewan in depth, and I can say with great confidence that it is one of the most benign industrial land uses one can imagine. I can think 20+ large facilities in Saskatchewan that have far more potential impact on the community and the environment than the Bell data centre. The only valid criticism I have seen is that it uses massive amounts of electricity. SaskPower seems to think this is great.

Regina alone has a huge steel plant, a giant refinery and a brand new mega canola crushing facility that uses tonnes of water. One barely hears a peep about these facilities. I honestly believe people have an irrational bias against AI due to fear of the unknown.
Perfect. You go for it then under your current beliefs, totally your choice, but don't insinuate that Manitoba is inferior for not choosing this route.
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Iirc that Bell plant requires 8% of Saskatchewans energy. Thats astronomical and MB foes not have that capacity without spending billions on new infrastructure.

Kinew was on CJOB and said we dont need to subsidize data centre's with our low energy costs. They have low employment after construction. And basically we could better utilize the electricity elsewhere. New factories that would create more jobs for people.

Kinew is an excellent speaker and made very good arguments against big data. dont think we should take an absolute outright ban though.
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Theres also a convo in the other thread. Maybe mods could merge to there. Basically Wab says we dont need to subsidize these out of province companies with cheap energy. And use our energy in other places that have more benefit to manitobans. Which id tend to agree with.
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