Manitoba Highways

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by Biff

A rail overpass would likely run $40 to $60m...in Manitoba.

No idea how they got their numbers but here it is from the design study:

CEMR Carman Subdivision Rail Grade Separation: Three alternatives were investigated for this location: (1) grade-separation on existing alignment; (2) realignment to CN Rivers Subdivision (west of PTH 100); (3) and realignment to Four Mile Road / Wyper Road Interchange (west of PTH 100). The grade-separation on the existing alignment was selected as the preferred alternative, as the relocation alternatives were deemed not feasible in terms of the ease of being able to purchase and obtain additional right-of-way for rail relocation. For the Initial Stage, twin two-lane east-west structures are
proposed. For the Ultimate Stage, the twin east-west structures are proposed to be widened to three lanes.

Page 13
https://www.gov.mb.ca/mti/hpd/pth100/pdf/south_perimeter_design_study_final_report.pdf

[Carboy15]

Originally Posted by WildCake

No idea how they got their numbers but here it is from the design study:

CEMR Carman Subdivision Rail Grade Separation: Three alternatives were investigated for this location: (1) grade-separation on existing alignment; (2) realignment to CN Rivers Subdivision (west of PTH 100); (3) and realignment to Four Mile Road / Wyper Road Interchange (west of PTH 100). The grade-separation on the existing alignment was selected as the preferred alternative, as the relocation alternatives were deemed not feasible in terms of the ease of being able to purchase and obtain additional right-of-way for rail relocation. For the Initial Stage, twin two-lane east-west structures are
proposed. For the Ultimate Stage, the twin east-west structures are proposed to be widened to three lanes.

Page 13
https://www.gov.mb.ca/mti/hpd/pth100/pdf/south_perimeter_design_study_final_report.pdf

Well, it would make sense to do the rail relocation regardless. For the Southeast, I'd realign the CP La Riviere Subdivision to go SE of Oak Bluff and connect to the CP Glenboro subdivision. Then CEMR would have trackage rights from South of Highway 2 to the CN Rivers Junction. This way the CEMR Line NorthEast of the Oak Bluff Elevator would be dismantled.

Also, the CP La Riviere Subdivision North of La Salle would turn Northwest. And it would be dismantled for its entire length. But the thing is that there's a natural gas plant North of the Perimeter. Therefore they may have to just build a rail overpass for the Perimeter. Or, just keep the CP La Riviere between the Natural Gas Plant and the CN Mainline operating. Not for through rail traffic, but just for the Plant.

[bomberjet]

I've been driving the south perimeter a bit recently, from 59 to Hwy 2. Sure is nice to have St. Mary's overpass complete. Once Ste Anne's is done in 10 years or so lmao will be a decent stretch to drive except for Waverley and 330.

Looks like work is ramping up on McGillivray with some larger topsoil stockpiles and a gravel stockpile visible.

[Kswiss83]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I've been driving the south perimeter a bit recently, from 59 to Hwy 2. Sure is nice to have St. Mary's overpass complete. Once Ste Anne's is done in 10 years or so lmao will be a decent stretch to drive except for Waverley and 330.

Looks like work is ramping up on McGillivray with some larger topsoil stockpiles and a gravel stockpile visible.

I noticed that they took the design circle off ste Anne’s and the perimeter off the infrastructure map. So 10 years is probably a solid bet

[Wpgstvsouth94]

Originally Posted by Kswiss83

I noticed that they took the design circle off ste Anne’s and the perimeter off the infrastructure map. So 10 years is probably a solid bet

I saw that too I wonder where we can get more information. They also took the red River Bridge as well off.

[bomberjet]

I wouldn't put much weight into that infrastructure map. Seems like a pet project that isn't fully accurate.

My 10 year timeline is based on McGillivray finishing up in 5 years, and then Ste Anne's on a similar timeline of another 5 year project before completion.

[jim_bred]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I wouldn't put much weight into that infrastructure map. Seems like a pet project that isn't fully accurate.

My 10 year timeline is based on McGillivray finishing up in 5 years, and then Ste Anne's on a similar timeline of another 5 year project before completion.

McGillvrey is 4 years but a lot of that is the service roads that needs to be moved around there’s a lot.

During down the north perimeter daily the overpass at Oieline road cannot go up soon enough. It’s an absolute nightmare!

[bomberjet]

I'm not so patiently waiting for some more news on next steps for PTH 101.. Probably at the whim of budget cycles, and now summer slowdown with government.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I'm not so patiently waiting for some more news on next steps for PTH 101.. Probably at the whim of budget cycles, and now summer slowdown with government.

With diamond interchanges clocking in at a quarter of a billion dollars and taking 4 years from start to finish, I'm also not holding my breath that our province will have the funds to upgrade the Perimeter at a reasonable rate.

Probably just the slow churn of one project at a time, even though Pipeline, St Anne's, and Dugald at the Perimeter are now all past their effective capacity at rush hour, with the other light-controlled intersections not far behind.

[bomberjet]

Hoping they can get one project going on 100 and one on 101 at the same time. I think their goal for Perimeter Freeway 1 Million or whatever the name, is by 2045. So they'd need to get going on 101 at the same time.

Money is being spent in and around Winnipeg on major structures in recent times. 59N floodway bridges. St Mary's floodway bridge. Etc. Could transition that to 101.

[Kswiss83]

I’m assuming Carberry will start next spring. I’d like to see the plessis overpass get done too in the very near future

[bomberjet]

If only the Province would provide an update on all the studies they've had going on for many years now.

[cllew]

Originally Posted by Kswiss83

I’m assuming Carberry will start next spring. I’d like to see the plessis overpass get done too in the very near future

Plessis overpass is going to be complicated to build with with having to deal with the lead tracks to the CN hump yard.

It took long enough for the reinforcement of the piers a few years ago as CN was not releasing long blocks of track time for the contractor to foul the right of way.

[Kswiss83]

Originally Posted by cllew

Plessis overpass is going to be complicated to build with with having to deal with the lead tracks to the CN hump yard.

It took long enough for the reinforcement of the piers a few years ago as CN was not releasing long blocks of track time for the contractor to foul the right of way.

It’s going to be difficult for sure. I do remember the conservatives putting out 3 options for replacement years ago. Now with Dawson crossing those options would be limited

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Hoping they can get one project going on 100 and one on 101 at the same time. I think their goal for Perimeter Freeway 1 Million or whatever the name, is by 2045. So they'd need to get going on 101 at the same time.

Money is being spent in and around Winnipeg on major structures in recent times. 59N floodway bridges. St Mary's floodway bridge. Etc. Could transition that to 101.

The South Perimeter used traffic projections to 2048 to inform lane requirements and interchange designs. Even if the province went all eggs in one basket and focused on 100 exclusively (I would disagree with that decision), there's still the following left before it can be considered a freeway:

St Annes/Rail line
Kenaston / Waverley south
330/ Rail line
Symington
Wyper road / CEMR Carman
8E (between McGillivray and 330).

Even if the last three on this list are turned into RIRO and cross traffic is eliminated, that's still 3 major projects. Done sequentially - not simultaneously - at 4 years each starting in 2030 when McGillivray is finally done, that takes us to 2042 at probably a billion dollars.

Add in the last three and we're at 2052 and 1.5 billion dollars.

There's also without considering the ramp reconfiguration needed for Pembina, Wilkes, and Portage interchanges.

So yea I hope we can get some momentum and get multiple projects rolling at once.

[Biff]

So the government is truly accelerating this project.

RFP for Design - Hwy 1 Twinning in the Whiteshell is currently out. They will be hiring a Construction Manager late 2026-27. Early construction start 2028. Complete 2034.

[Dengler Avenue]

I searched online and couldn’t find the final design for TCH twinning, though.
I guess it will be finalized by this or next year and go out to construction 2 years from now?

Meanwhile I haven’t heard much about Phase 2 of Highway 17 twinning from Highway 673 eastward.

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by Biff

So the government is truly accelerating this project.

RFP for Design - Hwy 1 Twinning in the Whiteshell is currently out. They will be hiring a Construction Manager late 2026-27. Early construction start 2028. Complete 2034.

Am I crazy, or does it seem like these types of projects are taking longer and longer these days??

[Biff]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I searched online and couldn’t find the final design for TCH twinning, though.
I guess it will be finalized by this or next year and go out to construction 2 years from now?

The final alignment and design will be completed under this new Design Consultant contract. I believe I read for the alignment to be confirmed before the end of the year.

It does sound like they are keeping the original alignment though. The RFP speaks about the replacement of the existing interchanges...that they just spent millions upgrading.

[bomberjet]

https://www.merx.com/mbgov/solicitations...-for-PTH-1E-Twinning/0000323651?origin=0