Manitoba | Highways

[jim_bred]

Originally Posted by Wpg_Guy

Construction is getting underway on the new Perimeter Highway and McGillivray Boulevard interchange project.
Drivers should expect increased construction activity, reduced speed limits and possible delays in the area over the coming weeks as crews begin site preparation work.
No major closures or detours are planned at this time.

Isn’t the picture you posted part of the future build out? I didn’t think they were doing the bridge over the tracks yet?

[Spocket]

Originally Posted by jim_bred

Isn’t the picture you posted part of the future build out? I didn’t think they were doing the bridge over the tracks yet?

I think you're right. I seem to recall the same thing but maybe they changed the plan. Would be nice if they did.

[Wpg_Guy]

Originally Posted by jim_bred

Isn’t the picture you posted part of the future build out? I didn’t think they were doing the bridge over the tracks yet?

That image was from a media outlet, they could have post the wrong plans.

[bomberjet]

lmao, is that what they posted?? That's not happening at all. haha The media are so dumb in this way.. Let's post images that are pseudo correct. Like close but not quite right. Like they say "Artemis 2 launch!!" and post an image of SpaceX vehicles.

[bryan_ca]

This is a good overview image of it:

[Carboy15]

I'm not sure if they'd leave the railway overpass until the future, or if maybe they'll get rid of the tracks and relocate/connect them to the CP Glenboro subdivision.

Speaking of which, I've noticed they lately replaced the railway signals on the Perimeter at the CEMR Line. They did add cantilevers, but I notice that the crossing is gateless.

Disgression Alert:

I notice that many railway crossings in Manitoba are gateless except for the Cross Country Mainlines. On most other lines, there's very few times when there's a gated railway crossing outside of Winnipeg. Even on the Mainlines that head to USA (like the CP Emerson Subdivision), and the secondary CN and CP Mainlines (while they've been getting more gated crossings lately).

On the Perimeter Highway, the Prairie Dog Central, CP Arborg and Winnipeg Beach, CEMR Carman and Pine Falls, along with the GWWD lines are gateless. Not even advance warning signals.

TCH has many gateless crossings. CP Rocanville, CP Glenboro, and CN Carberry, GWWD are gateless. But thankfully Rocanville and Carberry (and I think Glenboro) have advance warning signals.

[Carboy15]

https://youtu.be/nHvcNaPjuvA?si=Y5Rj5-OrnnExtfYH

I saw this video lately. Most of Western Canada has gateless crossings in general. But Mainlines and Divided Highways they should be mandatory.

[1ajs]

sure wet up here

[bomberjet]

The crossings mentioned don't meet the Federal requirements for a warning system with gates outlined in 9.2. They're all low speed, low volume routes.

Cross product is number of trains per day x numbers of vehicles per day.

Cantilevers are required on expressways. So all crossings on the Perimeter should have them. There are other requirements for cantilevers too.

[bomberjet]

Also the McGillivray rail overpass is a future project. Likely near the bottom of the list if it's been left out of the current project.

[jim_bred]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Also the McGillivray rail overpass is a future project. Likely near the bottom of the list if it's been left out of the current project.

I can count on one hand how many times I've hit a train at that crossing.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by jim_bred

I can count on one hand how many times I've hit a train at that crossing.

How much did it cost to repair your car each time you “hit a train”?
JK, I know what you mean.

[bomberjet]

If the Province wants it to be a freeway, they'll need to grade separate everything.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

If the Province wants it to be a freeway, they'll need to grade separate everything.

At 4 trains per week though it is along the same level of urgency as the Winnipeg Beach crossing for it's weekly run of Crown Royal supplies.

The design study stated re-routing this rail line is more cost-prohibitive than an rail overpass in it's current location.

I wonder if by the time they actually get to finishing up the Perimeter freeway initiative that it may be more economically feasible to run the rail straight north to connect at the CN mainline, or to reroute the line to a dual rail/folded diamond interchange at Wyper road once the city expands that far out.

[Biff]

By the time the Province finishes off all of the at grade intersections and moves on the the remaining rail crossings there will be flying trains.

[bomberjet]

Itd be about $8-$10 million based on my current unit rates for 4 miles of track, property, etc.to route it straight north along the backside of that industrial are on Hall Rd. Could make a business case that it'd spur some rail served land in that zone.

[Mr Tall Forehead]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Itd be about $8-$10 million based on my current unit rates for 4 miles of track, property, etc.to route it straight north along the backside of that industrial are on Hall Rd. Could make a business case that it'd spur some rail served land in that zone.

Wow. Significantly less than what it would cost to build a four lane bridge over it.

[Carboy15]

https://metrodreamin.com/edit/QzI3RkRKbFVEZVA4dUNobWZiZ0VZQW9HNldoMnwx

[bomberjet]

Re-checking my numbers, maybe a bit more. I'd say $15 million would be max cost. Dependent upon property cost and utilities. What do the girders cost for dual span overpass these days? Probably close to that.

[Biff]

A rail overpass would likely run $40 to $60m...in Manitoba.