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Old Posted Apr 16, 2026, 5:25 AM
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Wow thanks for that misleading info. You'll find that only 11 of those topics were housing approval related and he voted no on 4 of them. Stewart voted yes on all of them.

Plus, one of those other "no's" from Stewart was "no" to the firework ban which Fry supported if you need to see his support for another NIMBY policy.
It might come as a surprise to many Vancouver SSPers but you’ll find many Vancouverites don’t want want some 40 story building dropped beside their residence (even if they live in a highrise). But I’m sure you be totally excited if they dropped one beside your new house…
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Wow thanks for that misleading info. You'll find that only 11 of those topics were housing approval related and he voted no on 4 of them. Stewart voted yes on all of them.

Plus, one of those other "no's" from Stewart was "no" to the firework ban which Fry supported if you need to see his support for another NIMBY policy.
Thanks for clarifying the voting on the housing topics. Sorry I mentioned that Stewart was the only other member of Council to vote yes on 20 votes, like Fry. The comparison is Fry and Hardwick.

As well as supporting the two plans, which added housing potential, Fry voted yes to 7 housing-related policies rezonings, and no to 4. Hardwick voted no to both plans, and all 11 housing policies or rezonings. Those voting records are not remotely similar.
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It might come as a surprise to many Vancouver SSPers but you’ll find many Vancouverites don’t want want some 40 story building dropped beside their residence (even if they live in a highrise). But I’m sure you be totally excited if they dropped one beside your new house…
Yes I avidly track the development of projects both large and small near my house. I acknowledge that Fry is the guy for NIMBYs, and that's why he must be kept out of the mayor's seat.

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Thanks for clarifying the voting on the housing topics. Sorry I mentioned that Stewart was the only other member of Council to vote yes on 20 votes, like Fry. The comparison is Fry and Hardwick.

As well as supporting the two plans, which added housing potential, Fry voted yes to 7 housing-related policies rezonings, and no to 4. Hardwick voted no to both plans, and all 11 housing policies or rezonings. Those voting records are not remotely similar.
It's okay to accept that Fry has NIMBY tendencies and is the second best vote for NIMBYs if Hardwick is unelectable. Maybe you personally like him, but you don't have to pretend his voting record is anything but.
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It's okay to accept that Fry has NIMBY tendencies and is the second best vote for NIMBYs if Hardwick is unelectable. Maybe you personally like him, but you don't have to pretend his voting record is anything but.
The comment has nothing to do with whether I like him or not - just that his voting pattern, where he often supports projects (even some in Strathcona) is nothing like that of Hardwick.
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2026, 6:00 AM
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The comment has nothing to do with whether I like him or not - just that his voting pattern, where he often supports projects (even some in Strathcona) is nothing like that of Hardwick.
The current mayoral candidates are:

Ken Sim
Kareem Allam
Rebecca Bligh
William Azaroff
Pete Fry
Colleen Hardwick

Given the fact that Hardwick has consistently been shown to be unelectable, which candidate do you think would align the second best with a voter who wants to slow down development in Vancouver?
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He was not as bad as Hardwick, and his voting pattern has shifted over the years. In 2022 the 450 Prior Street rental towers were rezoned. Councillor Fry voted in favour. Councillor Hardwick (and Swanson, naturally) voted against.
That's what a true NIMBY is though. Hardwick is anti anything anywhere, Fry is specific to his own neighbourhood. Towers for thee, not for me.
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The current mayoral candidates are:

Ken Sim
Kareem Allam
Rebecca Bligh
William Azaroff
Pete Fry
Colleen Hardwick

Given the fact that Hardwick has consistently been shown to be unelectable, which candidate do you think would align the second best with a voter who wants to slow down development in Vancouver?
Depends where you live. If you're whatnext on the west side, Sim or Bligh might be your best bet. Fry maybe second.

I think this will come down to Sim vs Azaroff. I don't see any of the others being very electable.
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That's what a true NIMBY is though. Hardwick is anti anything anywhere, Fry is specific to his own neighbourhood. Towers for thee, not for me.
Except I noted that he voted to approve two rental towers in his neighborhood.
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The current mayoral candidates are:

Ken Sim
Kareem Allam
Rebecca Bligh
William Azaroff
Pete Fry
Colleen Hardwick

Given the fact that Hardwick has consistently been shown to be unelectable, which candidate do you think would align the second best with a voter who wants to slow down development in Vancouver?
If you base your vote for the mayor entirely on rezoning approval, you'd vote for Rebecca Bligh who voted to approve 100% of the rezonings on Council.

Who knows what Azaroff or Allam would vote? They've never been on Council.

Fry and Sim have both voted against proposals, Fry more than Sim (but he still voted to approve more units than Sim because Sim doesn't attend a lot of the public hearings).

As it appears that COPE, the Greens and OneCity haven't agreed on a single mayoral candidate, it's anybody's guess who might win the mayoral race, parties have until September to nominate candidates. It's possible the Vancouver Conservative party might put up a candidate - they were polling ahead of all the parties at the end of last year, without a single nominated candidate.
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If you base your vote for the mayor entirely on rezoning approval, you'd vote for Rebecca Bligh who voted to approve 100% of the rezonings on Council.

Who knows what Azaroff or Allam would vote? They've never been on Council.

Fry and Sim have both voted against proposals, Fry more than Sim (but he still voted to approve more units than Sim because Sim doesn't attend a lot of the public hearings).

As it appears that COPE, the Greens and OneCity haven't agreed on a single mayoral candidate, it's anybody's guess who might win the mayoral race, parties have until September to nominate candidates. It's possible the Vancouver Conservative party might put up a candidate - they were polling ahead of all the parties at the end of last year, without a single nominated candidate.
So in fewer words, Fry is the best candidate for the NIMBY voter after Hardwick. Thank you.
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So in fewer words, Fry is the best candidate for the NIMBY voter after Hardwick. Thank you.
Not what I said. You're welcome.
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I just want to point out as neutrally as possible that I find that Fry's rhetoric does not neatly correlate with his voting record, more so than other councillors. He will sometimes vote yes on a project anyway after complaining about neighbourhood character and shadowing (etc.), or votes no after talking how important it is to build new housing stock.

He famously was the deciding vote on the 6-5 decision to approve the tower at the West Broadway Denny's site.
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I just want to point out as neutrally as possible that I find that Fry's rhetoric does not neatly correlate with his voting record, more so than other councillors. He will sometimes vote yes on a project anyway after complaining about neighbourhood character and shadowing (etc.), or votes no after talking how important it is to build new housing stock.

He famously was the deciding vote on the 6-5 decision to approve the tower at the West Broadway Denny's site.
No, that was Wiebe. Fry voted against it, along with Bligh, Carr, Harwick, and Swanson.

The 2018-2022 council record.
https://cityduo.wordpress.com/haveyoursay/

Here's the records for this term.

CD-1
https://cityduo.wordpress.com/2022-2026-city-council-voting-record/

Standardized districts
https://cityduo.wordpress.com/2022-2026-vancouver-council-voting-record-srp/

Orr has voted against more homes than anyone on this council, and has voted against more rental homes than even Hardwick, but not Swanson. Fry's record is pretty much the same as last term.

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It might come as a surprise to many Vancouver SSPers but you’ll find many Vancouverites don’t want want some 40 story building dropped beside their residence (even if they live in a highrise). But I’m sure you be totally excited if they dropped one beside your new house…
I would say the vast majority would welcome an upzoning of their property. It's like winning the lottery.
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I'm literally a short walk from Senakw, and there's about to be a 12-floor across the street. The existing 6-floor can look straight across the deck into my bathroom if the door's open too wide.

Such is the price of becoming a big city. Bring it on.
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He was not as bad as Hardwick, and his voting pattern has shifted over the years. In 2022 the 450 Prior Street rental towers were rezoned. Councillor Fry voted in favour. Councillor Hardwick (and Swanson, naturally) voted against.
No one is as bad as Hardwick.

At least Swanson wants more affordable housing, Hardwitch is just a selfish NIMBY who couldn't care less if anyone but her has a roof over their head.
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Depends where you live. If you're whatnext on the west side, Sim or Bligh might be your best bet. Fry maybe second.

I think this will come down to Sim vs Azaroff. I don't see any of the others being very electable.
after BC has suffered through Eby in recent years, would really hate to see things at the civic level move towards that style of nonsense logic in running things

Sim hasn't been perfect but compared to those running against him and the guy he replaced it could be a heck of a lot worse
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after BC has suffered through Eby in recent years, would really hate to see things at the civic level move towards that style of nonsense logic in running things

Sim hasn't been perfect but compared to those running against him and the guy he replaced it could be a heck of a lot worse
"hate to see things at the civic level move towards that style of nonsense logic in running things"

Can you elaborate?
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"hate to see things at the civic level move towards that style of nonsense logic in running things"

Can you elaborate?
I personally appreciate how this current council seems to get their agenda done without getting side tracked or having uprisings within the party. The NDP being unable to whip their caucus this week was a bit embarrassing and reminds me of the previous city council where nothing got done because consensus could not be formed.

Hence why I'm disappointed OneCity is intentionally handicapping their possible council and school/park board seats. If they think they can work together with the Greens and COPE on things, we have the last council to look back on for that history lesson.
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I personally appreciate how this current council seems to get their agenda done without getting side tracked or having uprisings within the party. The NDP being unable to whip their caucus this week was a bit embarrassing and reminds me of the previous city council where nothing got done because consensus could not be formed.
??? Sim gets sidetracked constantly.

He said all the right things during the campaign, but has hardly delivered on any of them.
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