Canadian Airport Thread II

[Coldrsx]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

Cool picture! I can't imagine having to walk to the far end of that lot mid winter to get my car.

It's called 'the gauntlet' and if you can't do it, you must move back to BC or ONT.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Zmonkey

Air Canada follows every language policy, and actually does substantially more here than most.
The CEO not speaking French is about culture and politics, nothing about legality.

The CEO of Air Canada could only speak Spanish, and that is very much legal.

Someone was talking about a legal right everyone has to chose the language they use to communicate with customers.

My point was the CEO of Air Canada does not have the "freedom" or "right" to decide what the requirements of his position are. That is a decision made by the board of directors. Like every employee, the employer sets the job requirements. He can ask to change them.

In a country like Canada, the CEO of Air Canada speaking English and French is either going to be highly desirable or a hart requirement. It is going to be the company not the government that makes that call.

It looks like when we hired/promoted into that role they made a compromise he was going to take French lessons. Does not sound like they were overly effective.

The same as the CEO of TAP Air Portugal is not going to be considered if he can't speak Portuguese or the CEO of Japan Airlines not being able to speak Japanese. It is just not going to fly.

Originally Posted by Alexcaban

Every single AC flight is crewed with at least 1 bilingual speaker on narrowbody and 2 on a widebody. So yes a simple YVR-YYC flight will have at least 1 FA doing French announcements. You'd also be surprised how many FA's are hired from Quebec to be based in YVR/YYC.

On the YVR-YYJ (15 min flight between Vancouver and Victoria), sometimes they do the English and French recording but regularly I have been on that flight where the FA has done both the English and French live.

WestJet the French is almost always recorded. AC it goes either way in the west.

[nname]

Originally Posted by casper

On the YVR-YYJ (15 min flight between Vancouver and Victoria), sometimes they do the English and French recording but regularly I have been on that flight where the FA has done both the English and French live.

WestJet the French is almost always recorded. AC it goes either way in the west.

Well, the western flight especially the long haul ones into Asia, no one really care about French. Most people probably just think it's a waste of everyone's time when it's the 4th, 5th, or 6th language in the announcement.

The last time I took JL (long time ago), the crew made announcements in 6 language in full, with French being the 6th. Every time announcement was made, it can take upward of 20 minutes. When they made announcement to fasten seatbelt due to disturbance, by the time they got to French the disturbance was already over...

[jc_yyc_ca]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

I don’t expect we’ll see transborder stabilize until August or September - that’s the point last year where people wouldn’t have had many trips pre-booked when Trump started his antics.

That and anecdotally I know more people who are worried about going to the US and running into some kind of friction or even getting detained.

I hope Transborder keeps dropping and international continues to increase.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

That and anecdotally I know more people who are worried about going to the US and running into some kind of friction or even getting detained.

I hope Transborder keeps dropping and international continues to increase.

Well then you’ll love YHZ’s 45% transborder decline in February.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by nname

The last time I took JL (long time ago), the crew made announcements in 6 language in full, with French being the 6th. Every time announcement was made, it can take upward of 20 minutes. When they made announcement to fasten seatbelt due to disturbance, by the time they got to French the disturbance was already over...

Don't tell Acajack this, he'll have a fit!!!

He still checks in on SSP.

[Surrealplaces]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Well then you’ll love YHZ’s 45% transborder decline in February.

I don't usually cheer on a decline in traffic at an airport, but in this case

[casper]

Air Canada is redoing its design standard for the new aircraft entering the fleet.

More "patriotic" Canadian theme, with lots of red, bronze and wood grain.

https://www.aircanada.com/media/air-canada-unveils-next-generation-glowing-hearted-cabins/

Also of note, the new longer-range international A321 will have a full international business class cabin similar to what some of the European airlines like TAP are doing.

[Pellimo]

YQB to offer 376,456 more seats, unlocking more destinations


https://www.paxnews.com/news/airline/yqb-offer-376456-more-seats-unlocking-more-destinations

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by Surrealplaces

I don't usually cheer on a decline in traffic at an airport, but in this case

YOW's March transborder decline was much smaller than YHZ in February, and that was after a huge increase last March.

Sector / Mar-25 / Mar-26 / % Change
Dom: 266,968 / 289,534 / +8.5%
TB: 90,458 / 84,064 / -7.1%
Int'l: 64,141 / 77,075 / +20.2%
TTL: 421,567 / 450,673 / +6.9%

Sector / YTD 2025 / YTD 2026 / % Change
Dom: 746,446 / 790,037 / +5.8%
TB: 242,603 / 225,668 / -7.0%
Int'l: 190,548 / 245,214 / +28.7%
TTL: 1,179,597 / 1,260,919 / +6.9%

March % of traffic recovered vs 2019 / YTD vs 2019
Sector / March / YTD % recovered
Dom: 91.2% / 91.1%
TB: 105.6% / 105.2%
Int'l: 116.8% / 129.4%
TTL: 97.3% / 99.2%

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2024
Dom: 3,697,875 / +7.8%
TB: 709,376 / -4.3% - sometime in the next two months transborder probably falls below 700,000
Int'l: 540,307 / +24.5% - maybe even 600,000 is within striking distance
TTL: 4,947,558 / +7.4% - should be back over 5 million in the next 3-4 months

[Arrdeeharharharbour]

Are passengers from the US who connect through YHZ to Heathrow on United Airlines code share with Air Canada counted as International or Trans border or both?

[whatnext]

Details on AC's new cabins if it hasn't been posted here:

Air Canada unveils first-of-its-kind seats in new cabins

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Arrdeeharharharbour

Are passengers from the US who connect through YHZ to Heathrow on United Airlines code share with Air Canada counted as International or Trans border or both?

Airports keep track of passenger movements, so to speak, not unique individuals.

Therefore, a connecting passenger counts for 2 passengers. This is an ICAO standard methodology for counting passengers, which most airports follow. So in your specifc example, YHZ will count that passenger once as a transborder pax for the inbound flight, and once as an international pax for the outbound to LHR.

This is why airports with very high connection ratios (ATL, DXB, or in our case in Canada, YYC), have very high passenger counts. Each connecting passenger is counted twice, but that's not the number of unique individuals that actually set foot in the airport. That number is much lower.

[nname]

Guess Mexico expansion this summer wasn't turn out too good for AC

From this press release

New year-round route YUL-GDL -- removed completely in today's update, year-round
Increase YVR-MEX -- reverted in today's update, except for a single flight
Increase YVR-PVR -- reverted a month ago

The only thing left is the increase in YUL-CUN and YYZ-MTY, let's see if those will last...

[Arrdeeharharharbour]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Airports keep track of passenger movements, so to speak, not unique individuals.

Therefore, a connecting passenger counts for 2 passengers. This is an ICAO standard methodology for counting passengers, which most airports follow. So in your specifc example, YHZ will count that passenger once as a transborder pax for the inbound flight, and once as an international pax for the outbound to LHR.

This is why airports with very high connection ratios (ATL, DXB, or in our case in Canada, YYC), have very high passenger counts. Each connecting passenger is counted twice, but that's not the number of unique individuals that actually set foot in the airport. That number is much lower.

Thank You!

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by nname

Guess Mexico expansion this summer wasn't turn out too good for AC

From this press release

New year-round route YUL-GDL -- removed completely in today's update, year-round
Increase YVR-MEX -- reverted in today's update, except for a single flight
Increase YVR-PVR -- reverted a month ago

The only thing left is the increase in YUL-CUN and YYZ-MTY, let's see if those will last...

With jet fuel prices having doubled in the past 6 weeks, I fear more cancelations will follow if the sitation in the ME isn't resolved soon.

Jet A price on Feb 27: $2.50/gallon
Jet A price on April 15 : $4.24/galon

https://www.airlines.org/dataset/argus-us-jet-fuel-index/

We're lucky that here in Canada, there are no fuel shortage issues. The majority of our oil import comes from the US.

A lot of European and Asian countries can't say the same thing. Greece, for example, still relies heavily on Middle Eastern oil, with around 42% of it's oil imports coming from Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

What happens if Greek airports start running out of Jet A1 in a month or two, right in time for the summer rush? Not good. Domestic or European airlines might be able to tanker enough fuel for the return flights out of Greece, but long haul carriers won't be so lucky. They will either cancel flights, or be forced to do expensive fuel stops elsewhere in Europe on the way back.

As I said, it's a similar situation with a lot of Asian countries that rely heavily on ME oil.

So Canada might be shielded from some of the effects, but Air Canada, with it's vast international network in Europe and Asia, will still be affected if this isn't resolved soon.

[msmariner]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Airports keep track of passenger movements, so to speak, not unique individuals.

Therefore, a connecting passenger counts for 2 passengers. This is an ICAO standard methodology for counting passengers, which most airports follow. So in your specifc example, YHZ will count that passenger once as a transborder pax for the inbound flight, and once as an international pax for the outbound to LHR.

This is why airports with very high connection ratios (ATL, DXB, or in our case in Canada, YYC), have very high passenger counts. Each connecting passenger is counted twice, but that's not the number of unique individuals that actually set foot in the airport. That number is much lower.

I love how you like to single out YYC all the time. Like YYZ, YVR and YUL don’t all benefit from this. There is a reason AC runs wide body aircraft from airports all across a Canada to feed international flights. Try and mention all the facts in your questionable statements 🤦♂️

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

With jet fuel prices having doubled in the past 6 weeks, I fear more cancelations will follow if the sitation in the ME isn't resolved soon.

Jet A price on Feb 27: $2.50/gallon
Jet A price on April 15 : $4.24/galon

https://www.airlines.org/dataset/argus-us-jet-fuel-index/

We're lucky that here in Canada, there are no fuel shortage issues. The majority of our oil import comes from the US.

A lot of European and Asian countries can't say the same thing. Greece, for example, still relies heavily on Middle Eastern oil, with around 42% of it's oil imports coming from Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

What happens if Greek airports start running out of Jet A1 in a month or two, right in time for the summer rush? Not good. Domestic or European airlines might be able to tanker enough fuel for the return flights out of Greece, but long haul carriers won't be so lucky. They will either cancel flights, or be forced to do expensive fuel stops elsewhere in Europe on the way back.

As I said, it's a similar situation with a lot of Asian countries that rely heavily on ME oil.

So Canada might be shielded from some of the effects, but Air Canada, with it's vast international network in Europe and Asia, will still be affected if this isn't resolved soon.

And right on cue:

Air Canada suspends Toronto and Montreal flights to JFK over jet fuel cost crisis
Temporary pause to New York airport starts June 1 and will end Oct. 25
Natalie Stechyson · CBC News · Posted: Apr 17, 2026

Air Canada has temporarily suspended service from Toronto and Montreal to New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport as the war in the Middle East drives up fuel costs.

The airline regularly monitors and reviews flights to make sure routes are profitable, a spokesperson said in a statement to CBC News on Friday.

"As jet fuel prices have doubled since the start of the Iran conflict and some lower profitability routes and flights are no longer economic, we are making schedule adjustments accordingly," the Air Canada spokesperson said....

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/air-canada-jet-fuel-flights-9.7167904

[Airboy]

It not just the Local airports. Edelweise has canceled flights into Denver as well. Saying fuel cost But probably passenger numbers as well.

[whatnext]

Are those cancelled JFK flights Jazz or mainline?