noirish Los Angeles v2.0

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

The dreaded words. . . .

'Demolished for a parking lot.'

They paved paradise...

[ethereal_reality]

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Currently on eBay: ...A mystery location.



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[odinthor]

Here's something about car 00199:


https://socalrailway.org/collections/pacific-electric/1001-details/

[HenryHuntington]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Currently on eBay: ...A mystery location.



eBay


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In this photo, (BTW, thanks e-r!) PE 00199 is eastbound on Olympic Blvd. at Central Ave.

Thanks also to odinthor for the car history!

[Noir_Noir]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Currently on eBay

Here's a closer look.


eBay

What hotel is that on the corner? (with the blade sign)

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I think that's the Berkeley Hotel which was at 906½ South Main Street.



loc.gov


ROBBERY AT THE BERKELEY! READ ALL ABOUT IT!



cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald, 27 May 1921

[Alkapone]

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington

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In this photo, (BTW, thanks e-r!) PE 00199 is eastbound on Olympic Blvd. at Central Ave.

Thanks also to odinthor for the car history!

34 pages listing all PE stops, stations, alternates/defuncts and mileages is available for helping photo id’s. See this one under unit 450 on the main line out to the Southern District: https://www.branchline.uk/jfpdf/californiainterurbanrlys2pe.pdf

[Alkapone]

At this point I’d like to post a 1925 transit projection map that might clear up some of the confusion regarding bridges. I believe this came from Metro’s files, but it’s possible that I downloaded it from NLA 1.0 last year…apologies if I didn’t credit someone specific. What we can see is that Marengo runs on a NW-SE line with Soto Street going NE-SW such that the bridges are taking the roads over the course of the future Ramona expressway on a nearly converging alignment of 90 degrees.The Marengo bridge was replaced or rebuilt in 1935 in a look typical of goverment roadway projects of that era. Another photo of Valley Junction will follow. Here’s the reference map:

[Alkapone]

Now here’s the image from a 2014 FB posting by the El Sereno Historical Society (note the ESHS in the image) looking eastward with the Soto bridge just beyond the Marengo one and a group of poles (left) along the track between them. Car #1117 is inbound from Pasadena.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

eBay

What hotel is that on the corner? (with the blade sign)

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir

I think that's the Berkeley Hotel which was at 906½ South Main Street.

Before the blade sign, there were adverts for both the Berkeley Hotel on the corner and the Cadillac Hotel at 932 S Main Street. The store with "George" on the sign was a barbers belonging to George Sworm at 102-104 E 9th Street.


USC Digital Library

We recently visited the building that now stands on that corner.

Originally Posted by HossC

That's the California Market Center at 110 East 9th Street. The view is looking from Spring Street with Main joining on the left.


GSV

[ethereal_reality]

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Originally posted by Noir Noir.


I'm surprised a guest at the Berkeley Hotel had jewels expensive enough to be locked in a bank security box. I say that because the hotel looks rather shabby.

Thanks for the information and follow-ups to the eerily greenish slide that I almost didn't post.

Everyone's help is always appreciated.

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[Alkapone]

Originally Posted by Alkapone

Now here’s the image from a 2014 FB posting by the El Sereno Historical Society (note the ESHS in the image) looking eastward with the Soto bridge just beyond the Marengo one and a group of poles (left) along the track between them. Car #1117 is inbound from Pasadena.

I should note that in the original FB posting one commentor said this was Enchandia Junction which is incorrect. That point was further west after passing the Trainmen’s building (covered on NLA 1.0) and designated the turnoff for the Pasadena Main Line re-routing (a.k.a. The Shorter Short Line) that Huntington used to eliminate the slow run out Broadway and up the Arroyo which had been part of the earlier narrow gauge Los Angeles & Pasadena interurban run. And that line was abandoned as the 1920’s closed out. Martin Turnbull recently posted a construction view which was probably along that section given the date of the image.

[ethereal_reality]

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NOT a mystery location but I find it curious nonetheless.



It was either facebook or flickr


You could get a massage while your keys were being made.

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[Alkapone]

Originally Posted by HossC

Before the blade sign, there were adverts for both the Berkeley Hotel on the corner and the Cadillac Hotel at 932 S Main Street. The store with "George" on the sign was a barbers belonging to George Sworm at 102-104 E 9th Street.


USC Digital Library

We recently visited the building that now stands on that corner.

Question…Is someone operating a forklift type thingy in front of the barbershop? And what’s that odd alcove that seems to be getting used by the news agent’s (?) position between the gumball machine and the barber (?) pole.

[ethereal_reality]

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That's a good question about the 'alcove'. The only thing I can think of is that it was originally designed to be a door.
If it were Italy I'd say it was a niche to display Madonnelle.
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[riichkay]

A few photos out of a Flickr album.....caption:

"Los Angeles street 1970

photo (diapositive) by my father during (French) military service 1969-1971."




My initial guess on this one was Santa Monica Blvd in Beverly Hills after the P.E. tracks had been removed....but would the railroad crossing sign indicate a track intersecting the P.E. tracks?....I don't believe there was any such intersecting track.

Note the air raid siren tower photo center right.



The set includes a few "magic hour" photos of Wilshire Blvd....















Down at the corner we see a sliver of Nibblers, so this is Wilshire and Spaulding Dr.


.....Nibblers in 1976....

[HenryHuntington]

One track of the former PE line on this segment of Santa Monica Blvd. remained in service until about 1980 to serve the Continental Baking facility on the east side of Beverly Hills. The railroad crossing warning on the pavement of "Little Santa Monica" likely was to inform drivers making a left turn onto one of the intersecting streets that they'd have to cross and active, albeit infrequently so, railroad. All I got, at least for now.

[Lwize]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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The dreaded words. . . .

'Demolished for a parking lot.'



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Parking lots made Los Angeles possible!

(Of course, half of DTLA parking lots were encouraged by major earthquakes and unreinforced masonry...)

[Alkapone]

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington

One track of the former PE line on this segment of Santa Monica Blvd. remained in service until about 1980 to serve the Continental Baking facility on the east side of Beverly Hills. The railroad crossing warning on the pavement of "Little Santa Monica" likely was to inform drivers making a left turn onto one of the intersecting streets that they'd have to cross and active, albeit infrequently so, railroad. All I got, at least for now.

This shot downloaded some two years ago was only described as Beverly Hills. Could it be the same cut-through from the north side of the tracks?


LIFE photos.

[Alkapone]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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That's a good question about the 'alcove'. The only thing I can think of is that it was originally designed to be a door.
If it were Italy I'd say it was a niche to display Madonnelle.
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If the barber shop was busy enough, that guy might be perched on a shoe shine stand but no customer can be seen facing him. The awnings would be useful for that too. How many barbers actually needed to shade the windows?

[odinthor]

The Pacific Coast Planing Mill Co. opened at 6th and Mateo in or around 1904:


1904 CD


Ad pages in back of the 1904 https://books.google.com/books?id=AFRDAQ...IHVAeL2MQ6AF6BAgFEAM#v=onepage&q&f=false

Its manager was John Griffin:


From 1904/1911 book As We See 'Em https://digitallibrary.usc.edu/asset-management/2A3BF1O1C12EV?FR_=1&W=1280&H=593

Previously, he had worked in San Pedro:


Los Angeles Herald, 12/21/1902

He ran an open shop:


LA Times, 8/8/1905

After some fires and a sale of the parcel the firm had been on, it moved to the NE corner of Santa Fe Ave. and E. 49th St. in Vernon.


LA Times, 6/13/1913


LA Times, 1/1/1914


LA Times, 1/1/1915

They however maintained an office in L.A. at 3310 S. Main for some years. This old building had had 10 feet shaved off in 1912 for the widening of Main St. By 1929, it was the office for the first of several successive furniture companies. It's still around, and available.


gsv

Our new NLA headquarters?