Manitoba | Highways

[Carboy15]

Also, I notice for the Red River Bridge/ Henderson Overpass, the North Ramp lane will take away part of Sperring Ave connecting to the loop/ Henderson Highway. I wonder what they would use as an alternative route? I feel like they will eventually finish Mowat Road between Deerfield Dr and Wallace Ave, therefore Southlands Drive would be used as an alternative.

I wonder if they'd simply just open Raleigh Street for through traffic? That would be the cheapest for those who want to go to the city. Therefore they'd eventually extend Maxwell King Drive to Raleigh I'd think.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by WildCake

I don't think that level of detail has been released yet, but the south perimeter design study doesn't call for C/D lanes like the North Perimeter, just an ultimate stage design of three lanes in each direction. Spacing between Pembina and St Mary's is not as tight as Main and Henderson.

For the 100 Red River crossing, I'd imagine they'd at least put in the pier width and girders for a 3rd lane in this upcoming reconstruction because like you said, it's congested and the entirety of the Perimeter is being reconstructed for eventual 3 lanes in each direction. If that happens it would then be very easy to add a 3rd lane between Pembina and St Mary's immediately afterwards.

I agree the bridges do get quite congested as it is. I do think some of the blame goes on driver testing quality. I'm a regular driver through there and I'm finding it quite frustrating the amount of overly cautious or inexperienced drivers that cause unnecessary congestion by being well under the speed limit with no adverse conditions, or camping in the left lane slower than the flow of traffic.

In my discussions the Province will be building an new twin bridge structure. They don't like single bridge structures on twinned highways. This also alleviates a lot of construction headaches involving detours. The new spans will be built to the north and south of the existing structure keeping traffic flowing during construction - the Hwy 1 Floodway bridge was built in this fashion.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by Carboy15

Also, I notice for the Red River Bridge/ Henderson Overpass, the North Ramp lane will take away part of Sperring Ave connecting to the loop/ Henderson Highway. I wonder what they would use as an alternative route? I feel like they will eventually finish Mowat Road between Deerfield Dr and Wallace Ave, therefore Southlands Drive would be used as an alternative.

I wonder if they'd simply just open Raleigh Street for through traffic? That would be the cheapest for those who want to go to the city. Therefore they'd eventually extend Maxwell King Drive to Raleigh I'd think.

Raleigh through the Perimeter has been fully opened (legally) for well over a year now.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Biff

In my discussions the Province will be building an new twin bridge structure. They don't like single bridge structures on twinned highways. This also alleviates a lot of construction headaches involving detours. The new spans will be built to the north and south of the existing structure keeping traffic flowing during construction - the Hwy 1 Floodway bridge was built in this fashion.

That's nice. That make me wonder if they'll do something similar with 101 river bridge.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Carboy15

Also, I notice for the Red River Bridge/ Henderson Overpass, the North Ramp lane will take away part of Sperring Ave connecting to the loop/ Henderson Highway. I wonder what they would use as an alternative route? I feel like they will eventually finish Mowat Road between Deerfield Dr and Wallace Ave, therefore Southlands Drive would be used as an alternative.

I wonder if they'd simply just open Raleigh Street for through traffic? That would be the cheapest for those who want to go to the city. Therefore they'd eventually extend Maxwell King Drive to Raleigh I'd think.

They'll just use Wallace to get to Henderson. The locals made some noise about it but it's really a minor inconvenience for three residences.

The next phase(s) of Countryside Crossing are/were waiting for the wastewater treatment plant fiasco in ESP to get resolved. There is a hold on all new major developments until the plant is upgraded to larger capacity. I've lost track of where that's at. But yes maxwell King will go to Raleigh at some point. There's some development maps floating around showing some of that.

[bomberjet]

Re: Perimeter being a freeway. It's all those low use rail crossings that won't be done until the end that will hold the Perimeter from being a true freeway. So we're going to have to wait for a long time to get that token unfortunately.

Re: PTH 6. I do find it surprising they have that interchange ranked as priority 6. Is it because they just spent money rebuilding the intersection? A la deacons corner? They even have the PTH 7 reconfiguration ahead of it. Seems odd to me. #7 functions very well actually.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

That's nice. That make me wonder if they'll do something similar with 101 river bridge.

The 101 River Bridge between Main and Henderson will be a massive undertaking. That is 4 river crossing spans in a fairly tight right of way. My guess is it will be the largest highway project in the Provinces history.

If they don't do it by building north and south of the existing structure, I can't imagine what the detour headaches will be like.

I think that maybe it was you that said they could build the exit bridges first and use them as the detour bridges on completion and then de-commission the middle thru bridge and construct the new thru span/spans.

[KnickKnack]

Originally Posted by Biff

The Province issued a Notice of Proposed Procurement for the Twinning of Hwy 1 though the Whiteshell. It sounds by the wording that they may have selected the twinning of the existing route.

The Project overview has a line that reads "Reconstruction of two interchanges - Falcon Lake Townsite/Ranch Access and PTH 44, and one flyover of PR 301".

The timeline reads:
2026 - Consultations and Prelim Design
2027 - Detailed Design
2029 - Minor preparatory work
2030 - Construction Start
2034 - Completion

The province first started consulting on this project in what, 2023? So 7 years from initial announcement to shovels in the ground, if the schedule doesn’t slip again?

I know this isn’t an easy project and it’s a lot of money for a province that isn’t exactly rolling in it. Change of government probably slowed things town. But still, sheesh.

[KnickKnack]

Originally Posted by Biff

The thing about Pipeline is that it is the last signalized intersection between Hwy 6 and Wenzel. The back-up because of that light during rush hour are immense. Probably the largest on the Perimeter.

Dugald on the east side, is a bigger project due to the rail line and you still have lights at Gunn and Wenzel.

So you get more bang for your buck in doing Pipeline first.

Absolutely. Plus, it seems like Pipeline should be relatively low cost compared to the other projects on the perimeter.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Re: PTH 6. I do find it surprising they have that interchange ranked as priority 6. Is it because they just spent money rebuilding the intersection? A la deacons corner? They even have the PTH 7 reconfiguration ahead of it. Seems odd to me. #7 functions very well actually.

I'm not surprised, that corner of the Perimeter is far from built-up areas of the city, and there's no major commuter large town/city along the way (e.g. Selkirk, Stonewall, Oakbank, or Niverville). Warren and Grosse Isle are the two realistic bedroom communities with 800 and 1200 residents respectively.

The intersection doesn't have nearly the congestion as Pipeline, Dugald, or St Anne's.

I know some on the forum have touted that it should be a system interchange at Perimeter and 6, but when you drive up the highway, it's small towns and a whole lot of nothing. Even if there's a huge mining boom in the North, I don't think highway 6 nor it's future interchange with the Perimeter will be taxed to the point that a major revision to the plan would be needed.

[BorealLynx]

Originally Posted by WildCake

I know some on the forum have touted that it should be a system interchange at Perimeter and 6, but when you drive up the highway, it's small towns and a whole lot of nothing. Even if there's a huge mining boom in the North, I don't think highway 6 nor it's future interchange with the Perimeter will be taxed to the point that a major revision to the plan would be needed.

I have to agree, I'm not sure why the focus on a PTH6 interchange. It's in the middle of nowhere on a relatively quiet stretch of the Perimeter, and while it is an important strategic highway for northern Manitoba, I don't see how the traffic volumes would justify this kind of priority. What then?

[bomberjet]

Because it's one of the at grade intersections on something tehy want to be a freeway. That's why. But ya I get the henderson area is busy.

You guys make it sound like PTH 6 is in never never land haha

[Carboy15]

Highway 6 thankfully has an upgraded Intersection which will help accomidate traffic volumes for the time being. But once it does get extended to Centreport Canada Way/ Inkster, traffic volumes will increase. Like Gunn Road, once CPT and the Oakbank Corridor are constructed, Interchanges will be justified. Definetely needed, but not a priority compared to Pipeline, Dugald, and Henderson.

In the old plans, they wanted to realign Highway 6 to be realigned to go underneath the Railway Bridge. Now they decided to make the Highway 6 Interchange and Railway Bridge seperate. I'm not sure if I brought this up before or not, but I feel like a good idea would be to turn PTH 6 into a trumpet Interchange with the Perimeter. And for the Highway 6 to CCW/ Inkster Connector, they could slip it under the railway overpass. That would be a great idea for those who want to use the Perimeter coming from SB 6, they just use the trumpet Interchange to decide if they want to go South or East. If you want to go to Centreport Canada, take the roundabout and go under the Perimeter. I feel like that would take away the need for any traffic signals in that area. If you already are building two Interchanges, (one for 6, one for the railway overpass) might as well slip the road under the Perimeter alongside the Railway.

[Carboy15]

https://stroadz.glide.page/dl/d0a5f4/s/c0a8e8/r/oSDYvCaZv1eVkH0gN377

I think that this is how Manitoba should design the Highway 6 approach. If they're building a seperate Rail Overpass and Interchange for PTH 6, might as well do this.

[cammy85]

Originally Posted by Carboy15

https://www.brandonsun.com/local/2026/03/13/dauphin-urges-province-to-reroute-highway

Looks like Dauphin wants Hwy 5A and 10A reroutes 1 block South (1st Ave NW).

That sounds good since according to Street View, going northbound, there is a turning light at that intersection as well as a turning light westbound pointing south towards the mall and the popular destinations along Highways 5 and 10.

[Carboy15]

Originally Posted by cammy85

That sounds good since according to Street View, going northbound, there is a turning light at that intersection as well as a turning light westbound pointing south towards the mall and the popular destinations along Highways 5 and 10.

It makes lots of sense because now Highway 5A, 10A, and 20A would all meet at one spot. And maybe it could make passing through traffic easier for those coming from Riding Mountain to Winnipegosis, or those coming from Dauphin Beach who want to go to Roblin, and vice versa. The point of this is to make 2nd Ave more of a walkable street (destination) than a stroad. That would help make downtown look more attractive and encourage more people to stay. And in this context, 1st Ave is better for traffic anyhow.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Because it's one of the at grade intersections on something tehy want to be a freeway. That's why. But ya I get the henderson area is busy.

You guys make it sound like PTH 6 is in never never land haha

haha I know PTH 6/101 needs to be upgraded, not arguing against that. There were just some previous posts arguing for PTH 6 to be twinned and the 6/101 interchange needing directional ramps (or some more extravagant design than the proposed folded diamond in the design study) because it's the gateway to the north. I was trying to suggest that there realistically isn't a need for anything more than what's proposed by WSP. Because PTH 6 is actually in nothing nothing land (sorry Ashern residents).

[Carboy15]

Originally Posted by WildCake

haha I know PTH 6/101 needs to be upgraded, not arguing against that. There were just some previous posts arguing for PTH 6 to be twinned and the 6/101 interchange needing directional ramps (or some more extravagant design than the proposed folded diamond in the design study) because it's the gateway to the north. I was trying to suggest that there realistically isn't a need for anything more than what's proposed by WSP. Because PTH 6 is actually in nothing nothing land (sorry Ashern residents).

Yeah. But if it wasn't for the railway track that would require grade seperation, I would say just go with the Parclo/ Folded Diamond at PTH 6. Unless they do relocate the track, an overpass will obviously be required. So in that case, just slip the Inkster connector under the Perimeter and connect with the 6/236 Roundabout. In this case, a Trumpet Interchange isn't extravagent. Many US Highways have Interchanges like this except with a tollbooth. So PTH 101 @ PTH 6 will have a tollbooth Interchange, minus the Tollbooth LOL .

But if the tracks are planned to be relocated someday, then yes, just go with the Parclo at the current PTH 6 Intersection.

[bomberjet]

Twin pth 6 to rankin!

[1ajs]

at a min #6 needs more passing lanes added