Statistics Canada Reports II

[Taeolas]

A CMA, once made, can never be dissolved. So to be able to merge CMAs one would have to be dissolved which would be against the rules. That's why the cluster of CMAs in southern Ontario and the similar cluster in Vancouver and along the St Laurent will never see any combinations. But CMAs can absorb CAs without an issue; that happens fairly regularly.

Months ago, I postulated here that as those regions in Canada (SOON in particular but also Greater Vancouver and Greater Montreal) keep growing, Stats Canada will probably need to make a "GreaterCMA" qualifier to combine CMAs under to recognize how interconnected those regions have become. Otherwise they will be losing/missing statistically significant data due to an artificial division they're maintaining for legacy reasons.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by phone

In fairness to this whole Okotoks thing, one could advance an argument that Moose Jaw should be considered part of the Regina CMA despite each having their own separate and distinct histories and identities -- they are only 45 minutes apart, which in Prairie terms is peanuts.

I know there is at least one user in the Sask/MB local forum who appears to have welded himself to this idea... to some derision, which I think is misplaced, even if the idea doesn't meet Statistics Canada standards.

Woodstock (45K) is less than 30 minutes from London's CMA, yet it is not a part of it.



It is neither part of the KWC CMA, despite being 40 minutes away.

[phone]

Originally Posted by Taeolas

Maybe it's because of its name, but I think Moose Jaw has a distinctive identity, no matter how big it is. I don't see it being subsumed into another city in any case. And looking at the maps, while it is 'close' to Regina, it's far enough away, it will probably always be a distinct city, even if it were to be absorbed into a greater CMA. It would be the London or KWC to Regina's Toronto basically. (Or even the Hamilton to Regina's Toronto).

Red Deer and Medicine Hat are two other places with somewhat distinctive names that IMO will survive no matter how big or small they get in the future. (Saint Louis du Ha! Ha! would certainly be an eastern example of a distinctive name that will last, even if the community is now absorbed into the general Témiscouata region now)

Agreed, Moose Jaw will never be subsumed into a suburb of Regina, *but* there may be a long term prospect of an increasingly interwoven commutershed.

And yes, it really is a charming little city, with a number of things to do. The Tunnels of Moose Jaw, Temple Gardens mineral spa, home of the Snowbirds, Casino Moose Jaw, TWO full service downtown grocery stores, a new-ish downtown arena, a surprisingly high number of little museums and art galleries of different sorts, and arguably the nicest "city park" in Saskatchewan (Crescent Park), well landscaped, well maintained, surrounded by amenities... and a pair of big ol' viaducts over dirty ol' railyards.

And call me crazy, but it has an amazing suite of downtown street names (Caribou, Hochelaga, Athabasca, Stadacona, Ominica, Fairford...)

Speaking of Saint John, kind of similar in the sense of historically significance + economic stagnation = intact pre-war structure that was never knocked down for newer and taller.

There's a bit of an old joke that floats around... "Moose Jaw is the nicest part of Regina"

[someone123]

The idea that some CMAs include far-off towns is a bit of an exaggeration too. Usually it's more or less empty areas that are tacked on to an adjacent municipality for administrative reasons and have very little demographic impact. One example is the mountain areas of North Vancouver.

I'm not very familiar with Ottawa's suburbs but in Halifax the areas with more towns and suburban development farther out did not get included in HRM while some very thinly-populated eastern areas did because they struggled to maintain their own municipality or county-level infrastructure without provincial subsidy.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Woodstock (45K) is less than 30 minutes from London's CMA, yet it is not a part of it.



It is neither part of the KWC CMA, despite being 40 minutes away.

About the same from Kitchener CMA, no?

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

About the same from Kitchener CMA, no?

yeah, it is pretty close. But it seems closer to London...I dunno, maybe because of the relative emptiness between KWC and Woodstock (interrupted only by that awful "Master/Mister Steak" truck stop at the Drumbo/Innerkip offramp, home of incredibly disgusting washrooms). The territory between London and Woodstock is less empty, particularly given the presence of Ingersoll.

[q12]

[ssiguy]

Canada has lost 107,000 in the last 2 months. Why do we still have TFW in the country?

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

Canada has lost 107,000 in the last 2 months. Why do we still have TFW in the country?

Because their visas are still valid.

[MolsonExport]

I've been hearing people talk about big layoffs coming in the construction industry due to cratering demand for condos and apartments in some cities.

[someone123]

It's just a very high level rough observation, but Ontario's economy did comparatively well under NAFTA and with American supply chain integration. They are hurt disproportionately by trade problems with the USA and potentially many kinds of renegotiation of what was a pretty good deal for them. Overseas trade on the other hand tends to benefit the two ends of the country more than the interior. Port cities in Canada might benefit from the USA being removed as a middle-man in trade with Europe, Asia, and elsewhere.

A lot of people viewed the post-1945 and later post-1989 or post-1994 order as "how the world is". Actually a lot of it was just human decisions and some don't look so great now, like the ideas that we don't need a military and should integrate economically with the US. To be fair, they worked okay for around 20-30 years, and that is pretty good.

[niwell]

Whoa I had no idea Alberta's unemployment rate was that high, particularly considering the growth rate. While Ontario shows a decrease things are pretty bad here at the moment, at least in some sectors and if you don't have much professional experience.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by q12

So weird for me to see places like St. Catharines- Niagara, Hamilton, London with lower unemployment than Calgary or Edmonton.

Great job, Premier Marlaina Danielle Smith
Alberta Advantage

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by niwell

Whoa I had no idea Alberta's unemployment rate was that high, particularly considering the growth rate. While Ontario shows a decrease things are pretty bad here at the moment, at least in some sectors and if you don't have much professional experience.

niwell, as someone (like yourself) familiar with both Ontario and Alberta, this was the strangest headline and article I've read in a while




https://www.thespec.com/business/hamilto...af975d8-8c0b-5ff0-af1c-05c4b4207bdc.html
If above link won't work:
https://archive.ph/lwrVq

P.s. please reply to post #194 in this thread when you have time
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10478300#post10478300

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by someone123

It's just a very high level rough observation, but Ontario's economy did comparatively well under NAFTA and with American supply chain integration. They are hurt disproportionately by trade problems with the USA and potentially many kinds of renegotiation of what was a pretty good deal for them. Overseas trade on the other hand tends to benefit the two ends of the country more than the interior. Port cities in Canada might benefit from the USA being removed as a middle-man in trade with Europe, Asia, and elsewhere.

A lot of people viewed the post-1945 and later post-1989 or post-1994 order as "how the world is". Actually a lot of it was just human decisions and some don't look so great now, like the ideas that we don't need a military and should integrate economically with the US. To be fair, they worked okay for around 20-30 years, and that is pretty good.

I think that's probably true since so many people seemed to view the US as being ontological good and noble and didn't even consider that excessive integration and vulnerability could pose a threat. I never agreed with that but I'd be lying if I claimed to have predicted the current situation. I just thought the problems would be in the form of subtler pressure to bend or abandon domestic policies in order to give more control to US corporations and investors.

[jc_yyc_ca]

Originally Posted by niwell

Whoa I had no idea Alberta's unemployment rate was that high, particularly considering the growth rate. While Ontario shows a decrease things are pretty bad here at the moment, at least in some sectors and if you don't have much professional experience.

That crazy growth is the main reason it's so high. The rates here have been high for the past three years. Job growth has been very strong here, particularly in Calgary for the past three years, yet at the same time Calgary's also had one of the highest unemployment rates (maybe the highest) for the past 3 years. I suspect these more recent numbers will be different though, given the situation with tariffs, etc.. For Calgary, and Alberta, we won't know if this unemployment rate is still tied to high growth or primarily the economy slowing down.

This article gives insight to the more recent numbers, and it looks like it's a combination of the economy slowing down and still fairly strong growth for Alberta.

[ssiguy]

It's actually not uncommon to have booming cities with high unemployment especially ones that offer a high quality of life.

Calgary is, by far, our fastest growing city while the rest of the country is beginning to see actual population decline. When you have thousands moving to a city it is not uncommon to suffer from short-term unemployment. This goes for the young people trying to get a better life, people moving there with job offers that may not start for a couple months, and where a couple move there as one has a job offer and the other is currently looking for work. Unemployment for people in booming cities tends to be much more short-term.

Quality of life matters as often isolated or just dislikeable places can suffer severe worker shortages even with good pay because they can't find anybody who wants to move there. This most assuredly does not effect Calgary.

[zoomer]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

Calgary is, by far, our fastest growing city while the rest of the country is beginning to see actual population decline.

Where can I find the stats showing the rest of the country is beginning to see actual population decline?

[Docere]

The 2021 census has data on province of birth. I combined the three Maritime provinces together.

Total born in province/region:

Newfoundland 638,150
Maritimes 1,825,725
Quebec 7,077,620
Ontario 9,336,420
Manitoba 1,217,815
Saskatchewan 1,229,840
Alberta 2,655,295
British Columbia 2,649,175

Number still living in province/region:

Newfoundland 438,005 68.6%
Maritimes 1,428,125 78.3%
Quebec 6,564,835 92.8%
Ontario 8,419,125 90.2%
Manitoba 871,560 71.6%
Saskatchewan 797,200 64.8%
Alberta 2,165,210 81.5%
British Columbia 2,306,900 87%

Province of birth for the three big in-migration recipients:

ONTARIO

Newfoundland 76,605
Maritimes 176,870
Quebec 320,660
Manitoba 78,150
Saskatchewan 44,835
Alberta 97,835
British Columbia 86,095

ALBERTA

Newfoundland 51,475
Maritimes 87,715
Quebec 58,535
Ontario 230,970
Manitoba 98,650
Saskatchewan 214,970
British Columbia 184,455

BRITISH COLUMBIA

Newfoundland 17,045
Maritimes 53,780
Quebec 73,620
Ontario 286,295
Manitoba 107,055
Saskatchewan 126,210
Alberta 277,095

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by zoomer

Where can I find the stats showing the rest of the country is beginning to see actual population decline?

The Stats Canada data for CMAs is here. But you can't find the stats showing 'the rest of the country beginning to see actual population decline'.

Almost everywhere added population, both last month, and in the past year. Only Belleville–Quinte West, Ontario, has seen population fall in both the past month, and year-on-year.

In Windsor and Thunder Bay there was a drop of 0.1% population last month, (although it's still higher year-on-year in both places). Edmonton saw 0.3% population drop in a month, but it's higher year-on-year. Kamloops saw a 2.2% drop in one month, but it's higher year-on-year.

There were some stange numbers from Alberta's two big cities last month. While Edmonton added 3,900 jobs and over 10,000 to the Labour Force, Calgary lost 5,400 jobs, and 5,300 from the Labour Force (despite adding population). Edmonton's employment rate went up; Calgary's went down.