Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Vantage

The bridge isn't getting built, that ship has sailed. Time to get over it. I think we all understand the differences between the bridge and the tunnel project. We don't need those points re-iterated in this thread every few months.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

The Canada Line has been in service for 15 years and people are more than allowed to still bring to attention how dumb the single track section is in Richmond.

People here are still well in their right to point out the flaws, inflated cost, higher environmental impact, and downgraded interchanges / transit. And some of that can still theoretically be improved upon before this project is completed.

For example, this....

What is this exit??

Why is there no deceleration lane??

Why does it just fork off directly from a lane that seems to continue afterwards??

If we are spending 4.5 billion plus can we not at least have a deceleration lane here?

I really REALLY hope this is just a mistake in the render.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

For example, this....

What is this exit??

Why is there no deceleration lane??

Why does it just fork off directly from a lane that seems to continue afterwards??

That's the bus-only lane. The section of that lane that comes before the exit is for non-bus vehicles to use to take the exit, and the bus-only lane continues on after the exit.

It's exactly the same as what's on southbound 99 when you're exiting to go east on 91. It's a bus-only lane up to a few hundred meters before the exit, then it's an exit lane, and after the exit it reverts to being a bus-only lane.

The renders have cars in the bus-only lane after the exit, but that's the only thing that's wrong with the render.

[mcj]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

The renders have cars in the bus-only lane after the exit, but that's the only thing that's wrong with the render.

Honestly, it makes the render more accurate with the lack of enforcement on bus lanes.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

That's the bus-only lane. The section of that lane that comes before the exit is for non-bus vehicles to use to take the exit, and the bus-only lane continues on after the exit.

It's exactly the same as what's on southbound 99 when you're exiting to go east on 91. It's a bus-only lane up to a few hundred meters before the exit, then it's an exit lane, and after the exit it reverts to being a bus-only lane.

The renders have cars in the bus-only lane after the exit, but that's the only thing that's wrong with the render.

Okay, I see. You think they would be less sloppy with their renders (or maybe they have completely sold their souls to AI?)

And the above post made me laugh.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by Vantage

The bridge isn't getting built, that ship has sailed. Time to get over it. I think we all understand the differences between the bridge and the tunnel project. We don't need those points re-iterated in this thread every few months.

Don’t bother, I’ve already said this before. At this point they’re just being obnoxious

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by libtard

Don’t bother, I’ve already said this before. At this point they’re just being obnoxious

Coming from the same mouth that has continually complained about projects that have been long since competed??

Now that is hypocritical with a heaping spoonful of irony!

With this logic there should be no complaining about the underbuilt nature of the SFPR, or the 4 lane opening of the Pattullo Bridge, or hell, any roads.

I’m curious, at what stage is it okay to criticize a project?

Do we have to wait until it’s completed??

Do we need to wait one decade after completion?

Is it okay to mention the under built nature of the Lions Gate, or is it too soon??

I guess you can’t complain about jersey barriers anymore, you know, since its already decided / in place.

I can’t help but feel that this is a very very weak deflection tactic due to political part allegiance.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

hey look, same as the bridge. except billions more, over a decade late, with way less improvements, and way worse transit connections!!! omg amazing!!! i love spending 30% more, for 50% less. YAY!!!

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I’m curious, at what stage is it okay to criticize a project?

Do we have to wait until it’s completed??

Do we need to wait one decade after completion?

Personally I would have preferred a bridge to a tunnel and that it was finished already - but that's not happening. I even sent a message to the BC gov saying as much. What I haven't done is endlessly complain on here about it as the only thing that would achieve is annoying the hell out of people.

We get it - you're not happy with what's happened. Now move on and try to have something useful to add to the discussions on here instead of whinging all the time.

[Repthe250]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Wow, yeah, it's virtue signalling to try to improve transportation choices for people.

And you're triggered by it? Come on.

What the hell are you walking to, from Steveston to Ladner? Nothing. There is nothing to walk to.

[officedweller]

Cascades Casino is right there at River Road.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by Repthe250

What the hell are you walking to, from Steveston to Ladner? Nothing. There is nothing to walk to.

Looking at the Strava Heatmap there's a lot of people who run around that southern part of Richmond and Ladner that would probably go back and forth between the two if they could. I'd probably give it a shot if I lived near there.

[mcj]

Originally Posted by Repthe250

What the hell are you walking to, from Steveston to Ladner? Nothing. There is nothing to walk to.

Well there's housing and parks on either side, as well as downtown Ladner which has some pull for local residents I'm sure. That's plenty to walk to and from for the people in the area, not sure what you're talking about here it's pretty normal for people to walk around their local areas

[Tysonbrown]

EBY if you don't hurry the hell up, the Cons will eventually build that bridge that no one wants. Every Mayor in Metro Vancouver said NO to a bridge.

[Repthe250]

Originally Posted by mcj

Well there's housing and parks on either side, as well as downtown Ladner which has some pull for local residents I'm sure. That's plenty to walk to and from for the people in the area, not sure what you're talking about here it's pretty normal for people to walk around their local areas

Maybe. I’m just speaking from experience, I’ve lived all over the lower mainland, but mostly Surrey, New West and commuted between the two, and Richmond. Nobody walks across the Patullo, the Port Mann, or the Alex Fraser. What makes you think the George Massey will be any different? If there’s transit available? I bet itd be a 40 minute walk from Steveston highway to the Cascades Casino or an hour and twenty to downtown Ladner.

I’m not saying there shouldn’t be a walkway at all, sure put one in and let people “use it”. But it’s basically two car lanes wide. Just seems like more typical government virtue signalling. Like the fact that when highway 97 was widened thru Kelowna, the extra 2 lanes were HOV only. In the far right (turn) lanes. Didn’t make sense but it was the only way to get the provincial approval.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Repthe250

But it’s basically two car lanes wide.

Remember this render from this article? Don't try reading too much into these publicity images.

The fact is that modern design standards require an emergency exit, and there is indeed a demand for cyclist access through the tunnel. We know that to be the case because we're already paying for buses to shuttle bikes through the tunnel today. So there's going to be a passage, it makes sense for it to be built to a size sufficient for counterflow bikes, and if we want to label it a "pedestrian" tunnel in addition to it being a cyclist tunnel then what's the harm? Are you going to insist that we deny access to pedestrians?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Many professional 3D modellers are overworked and underpaid (e.g. all of Disney and Sony) and will likely get some things slightly wrong. This seems like one of them.

[cganuelas1995]

Maybe when the tunnel collapses we will get a new crossing. Maybe something between ferry road and dyke road.

[Vantage]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

Maybe when the tunnel collapses we will get a new crossing. Maybe something between ferry road and dyke road.

Maybe they can bring back the ferry that used to be there before the tunnel

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by Vantage

Maybe they can bring back the ferry that used to be there before the tunnel

Exactly. Let's hope the original exists too, would be great for tourism.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Many professional 3D modellers are overworked and underpaid (e.g. all of Disney and Sony) and will likely get some things slightly wrong. This seems like one of them.

There's a big difference between an architectural blueprint and a concept rendering. The latter is never meant to be authoritative.

[bloomtronzero]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

Exactly. Let's hope the original exists too, would be great for tourism.

Unironically, I'd love to see the Albion ferry(or something like it) get this treatment, too. Like not for a serious connector for vehicle traffic, but a casual bikes-and-pedestrians connection between Fort Langley and the other side of the river. I guess that won't make sense until Albion is a bit more of a place though.

Steveston-to-Ladner, though? That'd be a sick little boat ride, between two really nice places. I'm into it.