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View Poll Results: Who has the more positive vision for Canada's future?
Mark Carney's Liberals 176 73.95%
Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives 62 26.05%
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2025, 1:17 AM
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What about asserts that have not been assessed?

I have a stamp collection from when I was a teenager. I haven’t looked at it in decades, but, there may be some valuable stamps in there ( assets do accrue with age). Does a wealth tax mean I would be forced to have it assessed? It’s a large collection with several thousand stamps. Assessing it would be time consuming and expensive. Is this fair?

What about the old sofa and TV in your basement where you watch hockey games with your friends? Are they taxable assets too?

Wealth taxes are messy.

When is an asset a taxable asset?

What if you don’t know you have a taxable asset?

Is you don’t know, and don’t declare, does this make you a tax cheat?
The complexity you point out is exactly why I say there's no point taking wealth. We can, however, do a better job taxing income from assets. Your stamp collection is less of a concern than somebody else's rental property.

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Lol. Bragging about posting on the internet. Seriously?

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Huh? The NDP release their costed platform and are promising smaller deficits than the LPC.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2025, 1:34 AM
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I didn’t collect stamps as a wealth generator. I collected stamps because I was a nerdy kid and I found it interesting. I am not particularly interested in selling my collection to actually realize any value. My collection is just there. It is essentially a stranded asset. I don’t think it fair that some people think my hobby should be taxed.

But is it valuable? Yeah, it contains some stamps that might have significant intrinsic value (like about 15 penny reds, the third oldest stamp in the world). But, if I have no intention to sell, and therefore no intention to actually realize value, then is it truly an asset?

Now there is a philosophical question for you.
If you have no interest in the monetary value then you have no reason to insure it because all insurance could do is provide you with an equivalent amount of equity if it were lost or destroyed. And since there's no reason to insure it then there would be no reason to even declare it as a financial asset.

To be honest there's always someone who thinks some aspect of taxation is unfair. There are even some who think the concept of taxation itself is unfair. I think fairness is important when it comes to taxation that impedes a person or groups's basic ability to survive and thrive within a society. But otherwise I don't find that those type of grievances that interesting. If you did need to pay, then if you're financially secure enough that you can afford not to care about the worth of a potentially valuable asset then paying a small percentage of its value as tax isn't a real problem. Let's say it turned out to be worth $25k and the wealth tax was 5%. That means you'd need to pay $1250. If it helps, you could just think of the tax as being on your total worth that allowed you to not care about the value of a $25k asset rather than on the asset itself.

And for anyone who couldn't afford to pay it without selling the asset, there could just be a base net worth that someone's total assets would need to exceed before the wealth tax would even apply. Let's say a total worth of $2.5 million or greater. Afterall, there are two main purposes of a wealth tax. To get enough revenue for the government to function and provide beneficial services, and to do it in a way that doesn't overly burden people who are relying on the equity being taxed to ensure their basic survival and well being (as is often the case with income and sales taxes).

But as i said, I don't think something that's never been appraised is likely to be affected.
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Nonsensical appeal to authority. Carney has no experience with housing policy.
A big component of housing policy - perhaps even the biggest - is economics and finance. And Carney is a prominent economist. Bit of a stretch to call that an appeal to authority, especially when we're talking about titles someone no longer even holds like positions at central banks. Perhaps you could call it an appeal to expertise, but the only time that's a fallacy is when someone is arguing an expert is correct because they're an expert rather than what they're actually saying about a topic. But to say one person is more qualified for a particular job because of related experience and expertise, there's nothing fallacious about that.
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Two boomers concerned about the well being of their children is tone deaf?
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I've seen the follow-up. A bunch of radical Muslims with Palestinian flags start attacking the other golfers with knives. One of the seniors then reaches towards his belt, and empties a Glock into two of the attackers.

Then the senior says "Good shooting Bob!"

The reply: "Yeah thank God Poilievre made conceal and carry legal. His crime policies work!"

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A big component of housing policy - perhaps even the biggest - is economics and finance. And Carney is a prominent economist. Bit of a stretch to call that an appeal to authority, especially when we're talking about titles someone no longer even holds like positions at central banks. Perhaps you could call it an appeal to expertise, but the only time that's a fallacy is when someone is arguing an expert is correct because they're an expert rather than what they're actually saying about a topic. But to say one person is more qualified for a particular job because of related experience and expertise, there's nothing fallacious about that.
If you want to be this pedantic, then please go read O-Tacular's post again to see what I was replying to. It would be even more accurate to call it an "appeal to experience".

Whatever you want to call it, Carney's experience or knowledge is irrelevant when he's copying and pasting the same policies that failed during the Justin Trudeau years. Even if you were to believe he has insight into the failures that have led to our housing crisis, the argument being put forward here is "just trust him, he was the governor of the Bank of Canada".
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I've seen the follow-up. A bunch of radical Muslims with Palestinian flags start attacking the other golfers with knives. One of the seniors then reaches towards his belt, and empties a Glock into two of the Muslims.

Then the senior says "Good shooting Bob!"

The reply: "Yeah thank God Poilievre made conceal and carry legal. His crime policies work!"
Wow, that's some imagination there Dog. Go watch some hockey and chill the heck out. Would you say that scenario out loud in a public place? Again go watch some playoffs or something and put down the Mountain Due or whatever it is fueling the rage.
     
     
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Would you say that scenario out loud in a public place?
I don't really need to Trump and the Americans are literally shouting it from the rooftops, and making any demonstration against the State of Israel, a crime in which one can be forcefully detained by ICE, and end up in one of those dreadful concentration camps. Islamophobia, is US policy now.

We all know that PP and the Conservatives want to boot out Muslim Canadians. It should be common knowledge by now, as it was in 2002.
     
     
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I don't really need to Trump and the Americans are literally shouting it from the rooftops, and making any demonstration against the State of Israel, a crime in which one can be forcefully detained by ICE, and end up in one of those dreadful concentration camps. Islamophobia, is US policy now.

We all know that PP and the Conservatives want to boot out Muslim Canadians. It should be common knowledge by now, as it was in 2002.
I’m calling you out.

Youre completely making things up, and trying to bring American politics into a Canadian political discussion.

Your argument has completely lost. Move on. Stop making things up and pretending it’s actually an issue in the Canadian political landscape.
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Youre completely making things up, and trying to bring American politics into a Canadian political discussion.
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How to handle the Trump Administration, is the #1 issue facing Canadians.

The irony of your statement, is not lost on me. Especially when the Conservative movement in Canada parrots so much of Trump's rhetoric.
     
     
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How to handle the Trump Administration, is the #1 issue facing Canadians.

The irony of your statement, is not lost on me. Especially when the Conservative movement in Canada parrots so much of Trump's rhetoric.
What does your following statements have to do with handling the Trump administration?

“… Trump and the Americans are literally shouting it from the rooftops, and making any demonstration against the State of Israel, a crime in which one can be forcefully detained by ICE, and end up in one of those dreadful concentration camps. Islamophobia, is US policy now.”

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The irony of your statement, is not lost on me. Especially when the Conservative movement in Canada parrots so much of Trump's rhetoric.
You completely making up false rhetoric is not lost on me either… regardless, help me out then, give examples of the conservative movement in Canada parrots so much of Trump’s rhetoric.
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So, instead of the Canadian government paying ~$45B per year in interest, if that debt gets transferred to Canadians as individuals, instead Canadians will start paying an extra ~$45B per year in interest directly (and then you can't tax them as much as you used to).
There's actually ideological and cultural merit to this. Dumping gov debt onto individuals would ensure every taxpayer monitors government spending like an absolute hawk, for at least the next 3 generations. Voters would learn the consequences of their voting decisions first hand.

Watch how much public support a ban on government borrowing and deficit spending would garner after every citizen gets slapped with a $45k debt transfer. Aspects of this has merit.
     
     
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I don't really need to Trump and the Americans are literally shouting it from the rooftops, and making any demonstration against the State of Israel, a crime in which one can be forcefully detained by ICE, and end up in one of those dreadful concentration camps. Islamophobia, is US policy now.

We all know that PP and the Conservatives want to boot out Muslim Canadians. It should be common knowledge by now, as it was in 2002.
The U.S. and most Western Countries have been against Radical Islamic movements for years, including Canada.We were in Afghanistan until 2014.
The U.S. has had enough of visiting Students pissing on the Campus's and Western freedoms. If you were issued a Student Visa to learn something then grab a megaphone to spout vile anti Jewish garbage then out you go.

Should the Dink walking through the Toronto Mall ( bravely head covered) threatening to put someone in the ground be allowed to spout that garbage in Canada? Jewish folks felt deeply threatened just by going to class and many stopped going. Whatever happened to going to a safe place to discuss, think and learn about difficult subjects. The Mob rule on American Campuses was and is a Failure of primarily left wing University leadership and administrations. Look up Kent State for real Federal overreach. Or listen to Four dead in Ohio.
     
     
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The U.S. and most Western Countries have been against Radical Islamic movements for years, including Canada.We were in Afghanistan until 2014.
The U.S. has had enough of visiting Students pissing on the Campus's and Western freedoms. If you were issued a Student Visa to learn something then grab a megaphone to spout vile anti Jewish garbage then out you go.

Should the Dink walking through the Toronto Mall ( bravely head covered) threatening to put someone in the ground be allowed to spout that garbage in Canada? Jewish folks felt deeply threatened just by going to class and many stopped going. Whatever happened to going to a safe place to discuss, think and learn about difficult subjects. The Mob rule on American Campuses was and is a Failure of primarily left wing University leadership and administrations. Look up Kent State for real Federal overreach. Or listen to Four dead in Ohio.
You may want to stop watching FOX News, Rebel News, and all the misinformation partisan rags that have you brainwashed. Maybe go for a walk, or enjoy the sunset. Your Islamophobia is unhealthy, to say the least. It's also un-Canadian.
     
     
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You may want to stop watching FOX News, Rebel News, and all the misinformation partisan rags that have you brainwashed. Maybe go for a walk, or enjoy the sunset. Your Islamophobia is unhealthy, to say the least. It's also un-Canadian.
You gotta tell me what it is you watch to come up with this radical imaginative content…

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I've seen the follow-up. A bunch of radical Muslims with Palestinian flags start attacking the other golfers with knives. One of the seniors then reaches towards his belt, and empties a Glock into two of the attackers.

Then the senior says "Good shooting Bob!"

The reply: "Yeah thank God Poilievre made conceal and carry legal. His crime policies work!"
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The CPC ad with the two old rich white men golfing... major cringe, was that a spoof or a for real advertisement?
That also got my attention today as the hockey game was on after we had Easter dinner visiting family. It's a really bad ad and seems as though the CPC is getting desperate. You can tell that it's trying to appeal to upper income and older people. And the fact that they refer to the Liberals as "clowns" is interesting and risky because it goes a bit far in my opinion.

Here is the ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOd2zViVLeA

Here is another ad they just released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2T1ace0kac


And here are the most recent Liberal ads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taxUoQHWPrQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JEg2ksVyFc
     
     
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I have 20yrs in macro finance, business and tech. And one of the best forecasting track records on the web. Thanks though.

Inflation means your DOLLAR buys less. You know, the affordability crisis everyone talks about? Housing? Food?

That's because gov printed $360B of Cov stimulus.

Not because of this nonsense housing shortage narrative that's being pushed. There's no shortage of housing. There's a surplus of dollars.
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The defining image for the election? Boomer Liberal voters represent!

     
     
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8 days left. I wonder if the LPC can remain over 172 seats until April 28th.

They are currently at 188 seats according to 338canada by Philippe J. Fournier

Your thoughts?
If I had to guess with the most recent polling number I'd say that the Liberals win do better than expected and what Canada 338 predicts in Ontario and Quebec. I think they will do as predicted in the Atlantic provinces. BC is where it is hard to predict. I don't think the Liberals will win as many seats as Canada 338 predicts in BC but they will still do decently well. The prairie provinces will see small Liberal gains in major cities but the Conservatives will dominate as usual.

My current prediction is that the Liberals will win 195-199 seats. The Conservatives will be a bit less than or exactly what they won in 2021. The big losers will be the NDP and BQ.

Just for fun, I'll predict:

LPC: 197

CPC: 125

BQ: 13

NDP: 7

GPC: 1
     
     
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They're white boomers. That's offensive. Try to keep up!
     
     
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I'd say your assessment is pretty good Loco101. While I don't necessarily want another Liberal term, I'll either give in and vote Red or waste my vote and go NDP even though my area is decidedly going to pivot Liberal...there's no need for me to even vote strategically in this case, it's a certainty where I live in Toronto.

The Cons need to think long and hard about their long term longevity as a party after all this, there's clearly a clash of messaging and internal breaks that will only continue to harm them going forward.
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