HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada


View Poll Results: Who has the more positive vision for Canada's future?
Mark Carney's Liberals 176 73.95%
Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives 62 26.05%
Voters: 238. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #6101  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 6:43 PM
lio45 lio45 is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Quebec
Posts: 44,901
Quote:
Originally Posted by logicbomb View Post
Carney's comments makes it seem like these caps are a temp measure before he ramps up the numbers again.
Quebec just got its credit rating downgraded, and the top factor that S&P listed to justify their decision to downgrade us was our slowing intake of FNSs being bad for the not-per-capita economy (which is what matters to our creditors; better to be owed a billion dollars by India than by Liechtenstein.)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...and%20large%20after%2Dcapital%20deficits.
     
     
  #6102  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 7:39 PM
dreambrother808 dreambrother808 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 4,428
Carney did the Scott Galloway podcast. It’s one of the most detailed interviews I’ve heard with him and well worth a listen.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/78egStLrUdyUMfchC5pw4Q?si=0Q7DTWtEQHmrPqL8eMDnJQ

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/th...tt-galloway/id1498802610?i=1000703848156
     
     
  #6103  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 8:13 PM
Marty_Mcfly's Avatar
Marty_Mcfly Marty_Mcfly is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: St. John's, NL
Posts: 7,641
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOWetal View Post
6 seats for CPC in Atlantic Canada would be a polling miss though lumping all the provinces together opens that up a bit. There are often surprises from Atlantic Canada which don't mean much but if that's the result it could be an early sign the Cons will outperform.
I think we'll need to assess where the average is on the eve of the election. It usually tightens up among all polling agencies so you can have a good idea of where things might be (they can still all be wrong but it'd be unlikely).

Right now the spread for Atlantic subsamples is still crazy. Nanos has a 61/29 LPC/CPC split which would likely result in LPC gains across the board. But Mainstreet has 42/38 which would be a situation where the CPC would be making gains at the expense of the LPC.

Things should hopefully converge soon enough into a most-likely scenario, which quite honestly will probably be the current polling average unless something dramatic happens.
     
     
  #6104  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 8:42 PM
YOWetal YOWetal is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by dreambrother808 View Post
Carney did the Scott Galloway podcast. It’s one of the most detailed interviews I’ve heard with him and well worth a listen.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/78egStLrUdyUMfchC5pw4Q?si=0Q7DTWtEQHmrPqL8eMDnJQ

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/th...tt-galloway/id1498802610?i=1000703848156
Thanks for the share. Good choice for Carney. Appeals to the young men without getting cancelled by Women if he went on something like Peterson's podcast.
     
     
  #6105  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 8:49 PM
WarrenC12's Avatar
WarrenC12 WarrenC12 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: East OV!
Posts: 24,601
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOWetal View Post
Thanks for the share. Good choice for Carney. Appeals to the young men without getting cancelled by Women if he went on something like Peterson's podcast.
Carney comes across really well too. Very much the adult in the room with the experience and perspective needed.

Has PP gone on a serious podcast?
     
     
  #6106  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 8:54 PM
Marshsparrow Marshsparrow is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,679
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarrenC12 View Post
Carney comes across really well too. Very much the adult in the room with the experience and perspective needed.

Has PP gone on a serious podcast?
PP is running out of Trump-endorsed podcasts.
     
     
  #6107  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 8:56 PM
Nouvellecosse's Avatar
Nouvellecosse Nouvellecosse is online now
Volatile Pacivist
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 11,244
Wait, Jordan Peterson isn't serious enough for you guys?
__________________
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw
Don't ask people not to debate a topic. Just stop making debatable assertions. Problem solved.
     
     
  #6108  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 8:58 PM
YOWetal YOWetal is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse View Post
Wait, Jordan Peterson isn't serious enough for you guys?
He's serious but when you go on his podcast it's going to encourage you to say hyperbolic things. Like it's Canada's fault we are being tariffed because we have a lost decade. Or maybe PP really believes that.
     
     
  #6109  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 9:02 PM
theman23's Avatar
theman23 theman23 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Ville de Québec
Posts: 6,329
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarrenC12 View Post
Carney comes across really well too. Very much the adult in the room with the experience and perspective needed.

Has PP gone on a serious podcast?
Not sure if the "Knowledge Project" fits your criteria, but he was on it the other day. Carney apparently committed to being on it as well.
__________________
For entertainment purposes only. Not financial advice.
     
     
  #6110  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 9:08 PM
WarrenC12's Avatar
WarrenC12 WarrenC12 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: East OV!
Posts: 24,601
Quote:
Originally Posted by theman23 View Post
Not sure if the "Knowledge Project" fits your criteria, but he was on it the other day. Carney apparently committed to being on it as well.
Seems reasonable I'll give it a listen, thanks.
     
     
  #6111  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 9:16 PM
YOWetal YOWetal is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarrenC12 View Post
Carney comes across really well too. Very much the adult in the room with the experience and perspective needed.
Well spoken and helpfully edited. If you are a centrist who think Trudeau went too far this interview is a pretty strong indication that Carney will double down on almost all of that though. He said things like:

Diversity is our strength.
We have lots of money so can easily borrow to invest in social housing like we did the the 70s.
I haven't changed my mind at all on climate change I just got rid of the carbon tax that was politically divisive and not as important as large emitter taxes that we will increase and make them pay for other measures like EVs etc.
One place I think we will see a freeze or ideally a reduction at least if Carney had sole say over the budget is on direct transfers to people. Trudeau did a lot of that and Carney clearly sees spending that has economic returns as the key. He's living in the 70s not 30s at least.
     
     
  #6112  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 10:09 PM
casper's Avatar
casper casper is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Victoria
Posts: 12,743
Quote:
Originally Posted by bodaggin View Post
Yes. Should note, I'm talking about building the industry, not building domestic power stations. The machine that builds the machine. The point of SMR is modularity, to ship abroad. Create an export manufacturing market to boost GDP. Factory produced reactors can hopefully beat the time and cost problems with nuclear (13yrs average to build at $0.20/kwh LCOE).

On solar, commenters are mostly right here. Solar will power 80% of the world that is nearby high sunshine hours. Canada unfortunately isn't. So solar is virtually a no-go in Nordic nations. But for most of the world, it will dominate. Especially since solar panel prices have plunged to $0.10/watt.

On that note, how about Canada getting rid of that 154% Chinese Solar panel tariff. Plz.
I have been out of the nuclear industry for some years. However, I still follow some of what happens.

Ontario is going to have the first of the GE Hitachi SMR to come online anywhere in the world. That design borrows a lot from what GE does for submarines and aircraft carriers in the US. However this is the first civilian design. They setup an office in Toronto to do the detailed design on it. SNC Lavalin (now called AtkinsRéalis) is doing the balance of plant for that project. Ontario is encouraging that project team to use Canadian (Ontario) supply chains.

This is a very conservative industry. So the next one that gets built somewhere in the world will to the greatest extent possible use the same supply chain and get parts from the same source. No one is rewarded in this industry to take on the extra risk that comes from changing the supplier of a given part that is know to work.

So yes, Canada being first is well positioned to have follow on work even if the OEM is the US division of a Japanese company.

The problem with the SMR is it is small. It would be a good fir to Alberta or Saskatchewan. Ontario would be better served with a few larger CANDU like reactors that fields full of a large number of SMR reactors. Ontario is now talking about doing an RFP for 4 larger reactors on the scale of the CANDU.

The current CANDU design is the result of history. During the Manhattan project Canada was focused on experimenting with Heavy Water (deuterium). As a result the CANDU design is a heavy water reactor and does not require any enrichment of its fuel. The Americans were focused on enrichment and they also wanted smaller more compact cores. They ended up with light water reactors.

Domestically we can product fuel rods for CANDU reactors. We would be dependent on the US or France if we do something other than CANDU for enrichment.

Canada has a stock pile of deuterium and the infrastructure to produce more of it. Something most other countries do not have.

The other options that is "interesting" CANDU reactors can in principle support advanced fuel cycles. That is where you take spent fuel from a light water reactor (what France and US have) reprocess it and use it as fuel in a CANDU.

The light water reactors are far less flexible. You shutdown the reactor, load new fuel, then run. At the end you talk all the spent fuel out and start over again with new fuel. All the CANDUs have fueling robotics that allow you to replace fuel while the reactor is still running. In fact during operation they will move fuel around to optimize the operation.

The one problem is these are extremely expensive to build with a payback over decades. Solar and wind are cheap.

All the reactors being proposed in Ontario at this stage are on existing sites that already have nuclear reactors. The licensing is simpler in that regard.
     
     
  #6113  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 10:45 PM
Truenorth00 Truenorth00 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 28,900
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarrenC12 View Post
Are they? Did you read the post about the cost of Nuclear? It also takes upwards of a decade to deploy.

I wish nuclear was cheaper and faster, but it just doesn't seem to be. Solar and Wind are winning open bids for electricity around the world with very good pricing.
Solar in particular just keeps shocking even proponents.

I was listening to a podcast with Jenny Chase, Bloomberg's solar analyst. She talked about how when she started her career 20 years ago, they hoped solar would have 1% of global energy production in 20 years. It's at 6% and growing.

The topic of the podcast was Pakistan's solar boom. Out of nowhere, Pakistan became one of the largest importers of Chinese solar in the world. Literally something nobody saw coming. Chinese solar panels are now risking a death spiral for utilities in Pakistan because their Chinese built coal and even gas power plants are more expensive than solar.

She was asked for her 2050 prediction. Bloomberg's official forecast is 30% of global power by 2030 based on only deployment of low cost technology. She commented that she could see 50%. Partly because solar is growing in ways nobody could have predicted. Particularly in developing countries. And installations aren't following a low cost model. In part because buyers are often willing to spend more for solar, for reliability. Still better than their grid.

We don't have grid reliability issues. But our seasonality is sufficient that solar would go a long way in places like Ontario where power demands peak in the summer with air conditioning loads. Ontario could have a much stronger and cheaper grid if more homes and businesses just had enough solar to cover their AC demand (a lot of low rise homes are 1-3 KW for AC).
     
     
  #6114  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 10:48 PM
ssiguy ssiguy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: White Rock BC
Posts: 11,921
I wasn't able to watch the full French debate {watched about 3/4} and cannot comment on how his French was but from what I saw, none of the candidates really stood out except for Singh's annoying interruptions. There certainly was no "you had a choice" moment ala Mulroney & Turner.

Due to this, I think it's fair to say that Carney was the winner but not because he was great but rather he wasn't bad and expectations of him in French were so low that almost any French would come across as a win...............when people expect nothing and then get a little, they are pleasantly surprised. This happened with Trudeau in 2016 when no one expected much from him in the debate and when he performed fairly well, he benefitted. PP was unusually restrained trying to look Prime Ministerial but he should have started doing that months ago so I think it's a bit late now. In general, I think this debate, at least in French Canada, simply confirmed everyone's already decided vote. This debate won't move the needle at all.

I must say I really liked the format. It was more restrained so you actually got to hear the leader's thoughts and policies as opposed to just watching a bunch of kids screaming over each other. I hope the English debate will follow a similar format.
     
     
  #6115  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2025, 11:06 PM
kwoldtimer kwoldtimer is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: La vraie capitale
Posts: 26,180
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssiguy View Post
I wasn't able to watch the full French debate {watched about 3/4} and cannot comment on how his French was but from what I saw, none of the candidates really stood out except for Singh's annoying interruptions. There certainly was no "you had a choice" moment ala Mulroney & Turner.

Due to this, I think it's fair to say that Carney was the winner but not because he was great but rather he wasn't bad and expectations of him in French were so low that almost any French would come across as a win...............when people expect nothing and then get a little, they are pleasantly surprised. This happened with Trudeau in 2016 when no one expected much from him in the debate and when he performed fairly well, he benefitted. PP was unusually restrained trying to look Prime Ministerial but he should have started doing that months ago so I think it's a bit late now. In general, I think this debate, at least in French Canada, simply confirmed everyone's already decided vote. This debate won't move the needle at all.

I must say I really liked the format. It was more restrained so you actually got to hear the leader's thoughts and policies as opposed to just watching a bunch of kids screaming over each other. I hope the English debate will follow a similar format.
I thought the format was too entertainment TV. I wish they could get the journalists out of everthing except transmitting the actual broadcast. Maybe with political scientists or public policy experts, they could get some serious discussion and maybe even real debate, which is completely lacking at present.
     
     
  #6116  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2025, 12:10 AM
casper's Avatar
casper casper is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Victoria
Posts: 12,743
Quote:
Originally Posted by Truenorth00 View Post
Solar in particular just keeps shocking even proponents.

I was listening to a podcast with Jenny Chase, Bloomberg's solar analyst. She talked about how when she started her career 20 years ago, they hoped solar would have 1% of global energy production in 20 years. It's at 6% and growing.

The topic of the podcast was Pakistan's solar boom. Out of nowhere, Pakistan became one of the largest importers of Chinese solar in the world. Literally something nobody saw coming. Chinese solar panels are now risking a death spiral for utilities in Pakistan because their Chinese built coal and even gas power plants are more expensive than solar.

She was asked for her 2050 prediction. Bloomberg's official forecast is 30% of global power by 2030 based on only deployment of low cost technology. She commented that she could see 50%. Partly because solar is growing in ways nobody could have predicted. Particularly in developing countries. And installations aren't following a low cost model. In part because buyers are often willing to spend more for solar, for reliability. Still better than their grid.

We don't have grid reliability issues. But our seasonality is sufficient that solar would go a long way in places like Ontario where power demands peak in the summer with air conditioning loads. Ontario could have a much stronger and cheaper grid if more homes and businesses just had enough solar to cover their AC demand (a lot of low rise homes are 1-3 KW for AC).
Projections are Ontario needs to double its energy production by 2050. I think solar is going to be a major part of that. They are still going to need some additional base load capability.

Peek demand tends to be afternoon and early evening with demand lowest early morning at 3 AM. Solar fits in nicely during that peek period especially if you can augment with stored hydro when solar production is lower.

Where nuclear fits in nicely is that constant base load that there 24 a day. I think Ontario needs more nuclear built over the next 25 years, but its not going to be double what Ontario has now. Solar is going to be a major contributor.
     
     
  #6117  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2025, 12:33 AM
YOWetal YOWetal is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by casper View Post
Projections are Ontario needs to double its energy production by 2050. I think solar is going to be a major part of that. They are still going to need some additional base load capability.

Peek demand tends to be afternoon and early evening with demand lowest early morning at 3 AM. Solar fits in nicely during that peek period especially if you can augment with stored hydro when solar production is lower.

Where nuclear fits in nicely is that constant base load that there 24 a day. I think Ontario needs more nuclear built over the next 25 years, but its not going to be double what Ontario has now. Solar is going to be a major contributor.
It's not as rosy as this. Look at today's demand. Peaking at 7-8AM when we got no solar and little wind. We can add more solar that will allow out daytime gas consumption to drop to zero but we will still need it's capital, maintenance and capital expenses. The marginal cost of burning gas in the afternoon is very low cost. Which is why it's misleading to say solar and wind are cheap is misleading. Solar is headed lower and lower but turning off nuclear saves almost nothing. Hydro can be a buffer and perhaps we can export a lot of excess power during the day if our neighbours to the south stick with coal but we have to be careful as lots of promises have been made and so far they only add to our hydro costs.
     
     
  #6118  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2025, 12:33 AM
Hawrylyshyn's Avatar
Hawrylyshyn Hawrylyshyn is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Ontario
Posts: 2,275
Can we all agree Singh is absolutely butchering this debate too
     
     
  #6119  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2025, 12:51 AM
casper's Avatar
casper casper is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Victoria
Posts: 12,743
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOWetal View Post
It's not as rosy as this. Look at today's demand. Peaking at 7-8AM when we got no solar and little wind. We can add more solar that will allow out daytime gas consumption to drop to zero but we will still need it's capital, maintenance and capital expenses. The marginal cost of burning gas in the afternoon is very low cost. Which is why it's misleading to say solar and wind are cheap is misleading. Solar is headed lower and lower but turning off nuclear saves almost nothing. Hydro can be a buffer and perhaps we can export a lot of excess power during the day if our neighbours to the south stick with coal but we have to be careful as lots of promises have been made and so far they only add to our hydro costs.
Given the current climate with the US I would give up on exporting power to the US. They are fixated on the trade deficit. There is only two ways of addressing that, we sell less to them or we buy more. I think we should stop selling electricity to them and save that for higher market goods.

No one is doing it but the physics and control system on a CANDU reactor can be setup to follow the demand on the grid. However economically no one is going to do it, given the operating costs are virtually the same if your running at 50% or 100%. I agree with your point, you should run nuclear full out.

Having Hydro follow demand makes a lot of sense.

The problem with natural gas is currently its cheap. After we have all of these LNG terminals will it still be cheap? Who knows. If your only running it a few hours to meet peek demand perhaps it does not matter that much.
     
     
  #6120  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2025, 12:53 AM
Djeffery's Avatar
Djeffery Djeffery is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: London
Posts: 6,254
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawrylyshyn View Post
Can we all agree Singh is absolutely butchering this debate too
And Pierre is looking pretty "pasty"
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:49 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.