Canadian Federal Election

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Loco101

O'Toole was very likeable as a person to the general public unlike PP. His own party made a huge mistake when they gave him the boot. I'm quite sure that he would have run a much better election campaign compared to PP and wouldn't have shown Trump-like behaviour and calling Canada broken.

The pro-convoy Maple MAGA wing of the CPC really wrecked things for the party.

O'Toole also flip-flopped on the carbon tax late in the campaign. Although that was the right move policy wise, it was poor politics. He wasn't getting any of those votes and just pissing off the further right that might have voted for him.

Same thing as Trudeau buying TMX.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by yaletown_fella

Besides the espousing of net zero luxury beliefs, Poilievre is politically to the left of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

The Liberals trying to compare him to Trump shows the level of political illiteracy and heavy influence of American culture in Canada.

It's laughable. Canadas progressive taxation system and social safety net under Harper was more robust than what Bernie Sanders is fighting to acheive in the states.

He is being compared to Trump with his tactics, not his policy.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by travis3000

According to Mainstreets website todays result would give:

-LPC 187 seats
-CPC 139 seats

That would actually be a decent performance by the CPC considering that Carney is a high quality candidate, who also benefits from being new and a blank slate (not tainted by previous LPC scandals and crappy governance).

[Marshsparrow]

The many dangers of Pierre Poilievre’s war on ‘woke’
https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/april-2025/poilievre-woke/

This is the part that scares me and many:
"While Poilievre portrays himself as defending Canada against Trump’s economic aggression, his cultural rhetoric tells a different story. He’s not resisting Trump’s tactics. He’s importing them."

[Marty_Mcfly]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

Please give examples that prove this point? Poilievre’s stated goals are to ‘cut the red tape!’, ‘cut taxes’, attack the ‘woke agenda’, reduce government benefits, turbo charge climate change (hell it doesn’t even exist to him) and enable Premiers like Danielle Smith. What on earth are you smoking to think any of that is left wing? Then again you recently claimed that climate activism was anti-semitic so who knows what your ideas about the political spectrum look like.

Please be respectful of others.

[Marty_Mcfly]

Originally Posted by travis3000

According to Mainstreets website todays result would give:

-LPC 187 seats
-CPC 139 seats

I think we've talked quite a bit about the collapse of the NDP, but not mentioned nearly as much is the complete collapse of the Bloc. Going from likely opposition to likely only a handful of seats is wild.

[travis3000]

Originally Posted by lio45

That would actually be a decent performance by the CPC considering that Carney is a high quality candidate, who also benefits from being new and a blank slate (not tainted by previous LPC scandals and crappy governance).

While everything you say is true, the Liberals are also running from 9.5 years in government, a toxic legacy among a sizeable portion of the electorate, and an affordability crisis among the youth. So as much as they have some good things holding them up (blank slate, accredited candidate, new leader) they also have some anchors pulling them down.

[yaletown_fella]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Polievre as a person is likely to the right of Trump other than on immigration and related issues.

He would be constrained but absolutely would like to lead us to be as deregulated and untaxed as the US under say Geroge W Bush.

This is mere hyperbole.

This kind of hysteria thats prominent among liberal arts academia serves as more evidence that an activist cannot and should not be an intellectual and vice versa. Activism and Intellectualism are like oil and water.

Are you aware Canada under Harper had a far more progressive taxation system and retirement system(GIS, CPP disability) than the US under Obama?

Before you spout hysterical conspiracies about Poilievre privatizing health care and loudly chant empty slogans like "cuts hurt kids", are you even aware Health Care is a provincial matter and not federal? Health care matters are decided by the provincial govt and the majority of the funding is from provincial income taxes

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by yaletown_fella

Are you aware Canada under Harper had a far more progressive taxation system and retirement system(GIS, CPP disability) than the US under Obama?

The US in general has always been more free market capitalist than Canada.

That said, I'm not sure you can say things like PP or Harper are further left than Obama and Democrats. US governments have a limited ability to move the needle when they are elected. Look at Healthcare. I bet most Democrats would favor a "medicare for all" style system, which is basically what we have in Canada. Maybe better because they wouldn't wait as long as us for care.

However, look how hard they had to struggle to get Obamacare passed.

Similarly if Harper tried to change our taxation system to match the US, he'd be tarred and feathered. One of the things that was his downfall was adjustments to the retirement age.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by travis3000

While everything you say is true, the Liberals are also running from 9.5 years in government, a toxic legacy among a sizeable portion of the electorate, and an affordability crisis among the youth. So as much as they have some good things holding them up (blank slate, accredited candidate, new leader) they also have some anchors pulling them down.

“Blowing a 25-point lead and being like 10 points down is campaign malpractice at the highest level.” Kory Teneycke, conservative strategist...

The only way Pierre saves his job is if Liberals are kept to a minority - otherwise it is bye bye Pierre - unless he throws former girlfriend and MAGA worshipper Jenni Byrne under the bus as the excuse to save himself.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by yaletown_fella

Before you spout hysterical conspiracies about Poilievre privatizing health care, are you even aware Health Care is a provincial matter?

The system is still governed by the Canada Health Act. They could change that and provinces could immediately introduce more private care. Obviously Alberta would start to do that immediately.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by yaletown_fella

This is mere hyperbole.

Are you aware Canada under Harper had a far more progressive taxation system and retirement system(GIS, CPP disability) than the US under Obama?

And it wasn't Harper nor Poilievre that got us to be a progressive taxation and retirement system - that I can assure you - they boosted retirement age, cut services, etc. Many may have forgotten how mean the Harper years were to the most vulnerable.

[elly63]

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[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

And it wasn't Harper nor Poilievre that got us to be a progressive taxation and retirement system - that I can assure you - they boosted retirement age, cut services, etc. Many may have forgotten how mean the Harper years were to the most vulnerable.

Trying to raise the retirement age was one of their more sensible endeavours.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

And it wasn't Harper nor Poilievre that got us to be a progressive taxation and retirement system - that I can assure you - they boosted retirement age, cut services, etc. Many may have forgotten how mean the Harper years were to the most vulnerable.

Seniors are the most vulnerable? Aren't they the wealthiest cohort in Canadian history?

Meanwhile the LPC has left a legacy where food bank usage is at all time highs, poverty and homelessness is up, and young people can't afford homes. What have they done for the most vulnerable?

[Taeolas]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

“Blowing a 25-point lead and being like 10 points down is campaign malpractice at the highest level.” Kory Teneycke, conservative strategist...

The only way Pierre saves his job is if Liberals are kept to a minority - otherwise it is bye bye Pierre - unless he throws former girlfriend and MAGA worshipper Jenni Byrne under the bus as the excuse to save himself.

Turning a "Certain win" into a "Really close loss" would still be deadly to his career.

Hell, even if a miracle happens and he eeks out a Conservative Minority, I'd still say his chance of holding the leadership would still be sketchy.

In any case, the last pivot point of this election is basically in the coming days. As long as Carney can at least do "okay" in either debate, that should lock in the win for him, and probably the majority for him. Maybe not the 190 seat he's showing now, but a pretty solid one nonetheless.

The fact that he'll have the Green party there is probably an added bonus to his chances; splitting time among 4 (or 5) debaters means each has less time to screw up in general, so that should help him overall.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by Marty_Mcfly

I think we've talked quite a bit about the collapse of the NDP, but not mentioned nearly as much is the complete collapse of the Bloc. Going from likely opposition to likely only a handful of seats is wild.

Maybe because the 2011 collapse of the BQ wasn't too long ago to remember that it's possible... whereas the NDP hasn't been sub double digits since 1993?

The collapse of the NDP is more shocking to me, because Quebec voters have a long, long history of pragmatism, strategic voting, and doing what's best for their province, while a lot of NDP voters in the rest of Canada are usually far more stubborn about voting party preference and don't like being told to strategic vote.

I think the inevitability of what looked like a blue wave is what started a lot of NDP voters to think that it might be worth voting for the Liberals this time, if it could limit PP's CPC's to a minority... then, throw in the absolute shitbaggery of Donald Trump, and it probably pushed a lot of NDP people over the edge... as a Liberal Majority is far more desirable to NDP voters than a CPC Majority with the GOP under Donald Trump in power to the south... and I guess much the same can be said for a lot of BQ supporters.

Both are definitely shocking, but the NDP's collapse to possible single digits are even sub 5 seats shocks me more.

[elly63]

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Alberta Premier Daniele Smith delivers remarks and participates in a discussion at the Canada Strong and Free Network Conference in Ottawa

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by elly63

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Alberta Premier Daniele Smith delivers remarks and participates in a discussion at the Canada Strong and Free Network Conference in Ottawa

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by theman23

Seniors are the most vulnerable? Aren't they the wealthiest cohort in Canadian history?

They can be both. This is the danger of per capita statistics.