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Mark Carney's Liberals 176 73.95%
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As a 3x daily dog walker, the Liberal signs in my neighbourhood have either been vandalized (broken), removed (stolen) or had graffi sprayed on it... the Conservative and NDP ones seem unaffected. My neighbour is on their third liberal sign.
yes, the same in my neighborhood.

Not for the first time, either.
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Ekos:

Liberals 49%
CPC 36%
NDP 7%
BQ 4%
Green 2%

Ouch CPC but wowzers NDP...
Listening to Singh's latest pitch that minority government is better than majority government, it struck me that the NDP is now selling the furniture to try to save the house.
     
     
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Listening to Singh's latest pitch that minority government is better than majority government, it struck me that the NDP is now selling the furniture to try to save the house.
Didn't they do that in the last election too? Or maybe the one prior to that? I seem to recall that pretty much every NDP campaign starts out with 'THE NEXT PRIME MINISTER TOM MULCAIR / JAGMEET SINGH' and then quickly morphs to "please vote us in with the third most seats so we can hold the actual government accountable".
     
     
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Quick reminder that in 2015, JT didn't even crack 40% on election day.
     
     
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Ekos:

Liberals 49%
CPC 36%
NDP 7%
BQ 4%
Green 2%

Ouch CPC but wowzers NDP...
Ekos has had the Liberals at 49% for the last 2 polls.

Looking at every single poll and differences is NOT how you interpret polling numbers. When you gather all the polls together, you can certainly see a general trend but if you want to get a clearer picture then you must go thru each poll and compare it to previous polls by the same polling company.

Every polling agency has some form of bias. From how they do the polling {ie phone/Internet etc}, the time of the day they take it, the questions asked and in what order, and even how they arrange the answers.

By looking at previous polls by the same company, you get rid of these biases. IOW, yes you can get a general idea by looking at all polls but if you want to see how things are changing day to day you don't look at Nanos vs Leger but rather Nanos vs Nanos or Leger vs Leger over the last few polls.
     
     
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The best part of this whole thing for me is that Jordan Peterson titled his recent interview with lil' Peepee, "Canada's Next Prime Minister"
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The Liberal candidates in Markham—Unionville are the gift that keeps on giving (to the Tories):

Liberal candidate who replaced Paul Chiang attended Chinese military parade in 2015
Such trips are a classic tactic of Beijing to woo ethnic Chinese leaders and other key foreigners, experts say
Author of the article: Tom Blackwell
Published Apr 11, 2025

More evidence has surfaced of friendly ties between the Chinese government and the Liberal candidate who replaced an incumbent criticized for his own approach to China.

Peter Yuen, the party’s newly minted nominee in a Toronto-area riding, attended a massive military parade and show of martial strength in Beijing a decade ago at the invitation of a Chinese agency dedicated to influencing ethnic Chinese in other countries...

...Gloria Fung of the group Canada-Hong Kong Link, another prominent China critic, agreed. Being invited to watch the parade along with Chinese leader Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin, she said, “was a symbol of status and recognition of Yuen by the CCP, implying the invitee would play an important role in Canada in the years to come.”..


https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/f...er-yuen-attended-chinese-military-parade
     
     
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The best part of this whole thing for me is that Jordan Peterson titled his recent interview with lil' Peepee, "Canada's Next Prime Minister"
Really, I see something else

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Of course it would be nice if people actually watched the video before commenting but why quote someone when you can make up what you project he said.
     
     
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I just said "recent" not "most recent" lol.
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Ekos:

Liberals 49%
CPC 36%
NDP 7%
BQ 4%
Green 2%

Ouch CPC but wowzers NDP...
The NDP are about 5 years behind the times socially. The culture war and extreme “progressive” ideologies have lost a lot of favor with the general public, especially in our new political climate.

People are very thirsty for centrists currently. They are tired of the far left / hard right whiplashes of bullshit.

Yet, the NDP still think it’s 2019.

Even UN organizations and the BBC of all else have come out recently claiming overreach by programs such as MAID (something I have been concerned about for years now). It’s refreshing.
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As a 3x daily dog walker, the Liberal signs in my neighbourhood have either been vandalized (broken), removed (stolen) or had graffi sprayed on it... the Conservative and NDP ones seem unaffected. My neighbour is on their third liberal sign.
How pathetic does one have to be to interfere with political lawn signs?!
     
     
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How pathetic does one have to be to interfere with political lawn signs?!
Hmm, maybe it’s Justin Trudeau
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The NDP are about 5 years behind the times socially. The culture war and extreme “progressive” ideologies have lost a lot of favor with the general public, especially in our new political climate.

People are very thirsty for centrists currently. They are tired of the far left / hard right whiplashes of bullshit.

Yet, the NDP still think it’s 2019.

Even UN organizations and the BBC of all else have come out recently claiming overreach by programs such as MAID (something I have been concerned about for years now). It’s refreshing.
The drop in NDP poll numbers has little to do with their ideas not being popular. It's mainly a result of first past the post which tends to lead to consolidation caused by people voting strategically against something they don't want rather than for something they do. If people are "thirsty for centrists" it's to counter the threat of the CPC which is probably farther right than it's ever been. They're very much hard right yet are polling several times higher than the NDP which immediately nullifies the idea that centrist ideas have taken over. And they scare the bejeeses out of a lot of people who would much prefer to vote for something better but don't want to risk it, particularly given the high stakes political climate.

And regardless, political parties should be making their case and fighting to gain support support for their ideas not blowing where ever they think the wind is taking them. Most voters can sniff out that lack of authenticity a mile away.
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The drop in NDP poll numbers has little to do with their ideas not being popular. It's mainly a result of first past the post which tends to lead to consolidation caused by people voting strategically against something they don't want rather than for something they do. If people are "thirsty for centrists" it's to counter the threat of the CPC which is probably farther right than it's ever been. They're very much hard right yet are polling several times higher than the NDP which immediately nullifies the idea that centrist ideas have taken over. And they scare the bejeeses out of a lot of people who would much prefer to vote for something better but don't want to risk it, particularly given the high stakes political climate.

And regardless, political parties should be making their case and fighting to gain support support for their ideas not blowing where ever they think the wind is taking them. Most voters can sniff out that lack of authenticity a mile away.
Sorry, but most voters aren’t closely watching the polls in their local riding and voting “strategically.”

If keeping wise to changing social, geopolitical and economic conditions and shifting one’s political party to better handle those factors is a bad move as you have suggested, then the Liberals wouldn’t be leading right now, because that is exactly what they have done. By the end of last year they had essentially become NDP version 2, and they were looking at a complete collapse with a CPC majority win. AKA, the political and social climate in Canada had changed. Most people wanted some form of a correction from the excess hard left policies made over the last decade, especially those in the last few years.

The CPC offered a hard correction from those increasingly less popular policies under Trudeau.

Then came Trump, which did poison the well for right wing politics somewhat, b it that wasn’t the final nail for the CPC.

The final nail has been the lurch to the centre under Carney by the Liberals, now seemingly offering a more gentle correction from those precious hard left policies.

And wow! Look at that! It has worked! Before the CPC were the only choice for any correction, for some it was a hard pill to swallow, but one they would take (myself included) but the Liberals caught on to this and have made some wise campaigning choices, and now I (and many others like me) would vote for Carney.

But the NDP are still doubling down on what most people don’t want.

So sorry, Charlie!

Now, if the Liberlas keep that more centrist position they are advertising, only time will tell.

A lot of people I know are relieved that we now have what looks to be a soft correction choice over a more turbulent hard correction option.
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Sorry, but most voters aren’t closely watching the polls in their local riding and voting “strategically.”
Most people don't look at their local polls to vote strategically. They look at the national situation and national polling because most people aren't that politically engaged or savy. In fact, around 1/3 of eligible people don't even vote at all. But that doesn't mean the sentiment or intention isn't there because it most certainly is.

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If keeping wise to changing social, geopolitical and economic conditions and shifting one’s political party to better handle those factors is a bad move as you have suggested, then the Liberals wouldn’t be leading right now, because that is exactly what they have done. By the end of last year they had essentially become NDP version 2, and they were looking at a complete collapse with a CPC majority win. AKA, the political and social climate in Canada had changed. Most people wanted some form of a correction from the excess hard left policies made over the last decade, especially those in the last few years.
Looking at the material realities like geopolitical and economic conditions does not require a party to alter or abandon it's positions. It simply requires them to articulate how their perspective applies to those conditions and communicate effectively. And it's also instructive as to which issues to focus on. If a party has positions on issues 1-20 and people were focused most on issues 3, 8 and 12 on the last election and issues 10, 15, and 19 on this election, you focus on 10, 15 and 19. That doesn't mean your position on those issues should change. Whatb your positions are, what you focus on, and how you communicate are all different things.

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The CPC offered a hard correction from those increasingly less popular policies under Trudeau.

Then came Trump, which did poison the well for right wing politics somewhat, b it that wasn’t the final nail for the CPC.

The final nail has been the lurch to the centre under Carney by the Liberals, now seemingly offering a more gentle correction from those precious hard left policies.

And wow! Look at that! It has worked! Before the CPC were the only choice for any correction, for some it was a hard pill to swallow, but one they would take (myself included) but the Liberals caught on to this and have made some wise campaigning choices, and now I (and many others like me) would vote for Carney.

But the NDP are still doubling down on what most people don’t want.

So sorry, Charlie!

Now, if the Liberlas keep that more centrist position they are advertising, only time will tell.

A lot of people I know are relieved that we now have what looks to be a soft correction choice over a more turbulent hard correction option.
You're over thinking this massively. People got tired of Trudeau as he was around for nearly a decade and voters tend to want change. And lets face it. He has an annoying personality and comes across as phony. Personality and vibes are a massive part of politics (unfortunately). And Trump was already a factor before Carney ran for leadership and had already started on the 51st state business. But Carney projects a sense of strength and seriousness that Trudeau never did. Plus, he's seen to have a lot of experience in high level positions that Trudeau never had prior to entering politics. But that isn't policy. The actual policy in the NDP platform performs well but many people don't consider them to begin with since they don't think they can win, and the stakes got even higher with the Trump situation so even some of the more risk averse in that regard began shying away. Trying to claim it's a rebuke of NDP policy is just combination of wishful thinking and/or the false-consensus effect which is a type of cognitive bias.
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You're over thinking this massively. People got tired of Trudeau as he was around for nearly a decade and voters tend to want change. And lets face it. He has an annoying personality and comes across as phony. Personality and vibes are a massive part of politics (unfortunately). And Trump was already a factor before Carney ran for leadership and had already started on the 51st state business. But Carney projects a sense of strength and seriousness that Trudeau never did. Plus, he's seen to have a lot of experience in high level positions that Trudeau never had prior to entering politics. But that isn't policy. The actual policy in the NDP platform performs well but many people don't consider them to begin with since they don't think they can win, and the stakes got even higher with the Trump situation so even some of the more risk averse in that regard began shying away. Trying to claim it's a rebuke of NDP policy is just combination of wishful thinking and/or the false-consensus effect which is a type of cognitive bias.

Good post - agreed completely.

It’s a much smaller factor but I think a lot of more traditionally left-leaning people are also disillusioned with the current state of the NDP. As you note a lot of the basic policies are sound but the outward focus is no longer on an economic leftist platform. Looking forward they need to get back to basics IMO.
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Atlantic Canada will be a good bellwether on election night. Their results always come first. They have 32 seats. Right now the LPC has 24, the CPC has 8.

If you see on your screen the CPC picking up seats, and they have 12-16 seats... you can take it to the bank the CPC will win government. BUT if you see the LPC gaining seats to the point where it's 27-29... they will get a majority.
     
     
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